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Dick Cheny: Scumbag

What is Dick Cheny's worst act, securing his foothold as a scumbag?

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Dayton3 said:
Dick Cheney turned 26 years old in Jan. 1967 at which point he was too old to be drafted.

So for most of the Vietnam War (considered to be 1965-1973 for the U.S.), Cheney wasn't eligible to be drafted anyway.

Did Cheney support the war the first couple of years? In the U.S. almost everyone did. It wasn't until the Tet Offensive in 1968 that American public and political opinion turned against the Vietnam War.
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Cheney got five deferments during the VietNam era, when he was otherwise very eligible. He had other priorities (his words).

Wikipedia:
When Cheney became eligible for the draft, during the Vietnam War, he applied for and received five draft deferments. In 1989, The Washington Post writer George C. Wilson interviewed Cheney as the next Secretary of Defense; when asked about his deferments, Cheney reportedly said, "I had other priorities in the '60s than military service."[25] Cheney testified during his confirmation hearings in 1989 that he received deferments to finish a college career that lasted six years rather than four, owing to sub-par academic performance and the need to work to pay for his education. Upon graduation, Cheney was eligible for the draft, but at the time, the Selective Service System was not inducting married men.[26] On October 6, 1965, the draft was expanded to include married men without children; Cheney's first daughter, Elizabeth, was born 9 months and two days later.[27][26] Cheney's fifth and final deferment granted him "3-A" status, a "hardship" deferment available to men with dependents. In January 1967, Cheney turned 26 and was no longer eligible for the draft.[27]
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JMR said:
Cheney got five deferments during the VietNam era, when he was otherwise very eligible. He had other priorities (his words).

Wikipedia:
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Fact still is, except for the first couple of years of the Vietnam War Cheney was not eligible to be drafted due to his age.

I'm amazed that people think Richard Cheney was able to impregnate his wife with such magical precision.
 
JMR said:
Cheney got five deferments during the VietNam era, when he was otherwise very eligible. He had other priorities (his words).

Wikipedia:
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Excellent debating, as usual.
 
Dayton3 said:
Fact still is, except for the first couple of years of the Vietnam War Cheney was not eligible to be drafted due to his age.

I'm amazed that people think Richard Cheney was able to impregnate his wife with such magical precision.
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All I see in that post is the word "except". Kinda sinks your whole counter-argument. :shrug:
 
Dayton3 said:
Fact still is, except for the first couple of years of the Vietnam War Cheney was not eligible to be drafted due to his age.

I'm amazed that people think Richard Cheney was able to impregnate his wife with such magical precision.
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It happens all the time. I'm amazed you think he wouldn't have tried, having other priorities and all.
 
Bodhisattva said:
All I see in that post is the word "except". Kinda sinks your whole counter-argument. :shrug:
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As I've pointed out, the American portion of the Vietnam War is usually dated 1965-1973. Cheney would've only been drafted during the first two years of that.


Even then, if Cheney were drafted he stood a far better chance of serving in Western Europe or in the continental U.S. than being sent to Vietnam.
 
Dayton3 said:
As I've pointed out, the American portion of the Vietnam War is usually dated 1965-1973. Cheney would've only been drafted during the first two years of that.


Even then, if Cheney were drafted he stood a far better chance of serving in Western Europe or in the continental U.S. than being sent to Vietnam.
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First off, the draft did not start with the Vietnam War. It was an ongoing fact. Cheney got five deferments, fact.

A deferment means that the draft board goes down the list to the next name. Because Cheney in effect five times said, send someone else's son. At least five other boys and men were drafted because Cheney 'had other priorities.'

We don't know how many of them have their name engraved on the wall.
 
Stealers Wheel said:
First off, the draft did not start with the Vietnam War. It was an ongoing fact. Cheney got five deferments, fact.

A deferment means that the draft board goes down the list to the next name. Because Cheney in effect five times said, send someone else's son. At least five other boys and men were drafted because Cheney 'had other priorities.'

We don't know how many of them have their name engraved on the wall.
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So...?
 
vegas giants said:
So cheney was a coward.
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How does avoiding military service make you a coward? IIRC liberals during the Vietnam War were praising men who fled to Canada as persons of principle.
 
Dayton3 said:
How does avoiding military service make you a coward? IIRC liberals during the Vietnam War were praising men who fled to Canada as persons of principle.
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Cheney pushed and lied to congress to get a war started so his Halliburton buddies could make a mint. If he believed we should fight for useless wars he should have went when it was his time to risk his life doing so.


He is a coward
 
Dayton3 said:
How does avoiding military service make you a coward? IIRC liberals during the Vietnam War were praising men who fled to Canada as persons of principle.
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Not everyone needs to serve in the military. Some people are just not cut out to make it.

But don't later in life walk around like you were a Rambo.
 
vegas giants said:
Cheney pushed and lied to congress to get a war started so his Halliburton buddies could make a mint. If he believed we should fight for useless wars he should have went when it was his time to risk his life doing so.


He is a coward
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Dayton doesn't care... he has an agenda to support.
 
Dayton3 said:
How does avoiding military service make you a coward? IIRC liberals during the Vietnam War were praising men who fled to Canada as persons of principle.
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Man... this thread must be like reliving some of the Glory Days for you, eh?

Crooks in office starting illegal wars for profit while tearing down liberties?

All Turmp has to do is start a war now and it will be just like the good times.
 
Crosscheck said:
Not everyone needs to serve in the military. Some people are just not cut out to make it.
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That is what Boot Camp is for, to determine if one is cut out to make it in the military. But you have to enlist and take an oath in order for the drill sergeants and company commanders to do their job. Cheney was not inclined to do that. Cheney is a coward, as is Trump for the same reasons. Those two are happy to send others to die in war, but they can't be bothered to serve themselves.
 
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Dayton3 said:
How does avoiding military service make you a coward? IIRC liberals during the Vietnam War were praising men who fled to Canada as persons of principle.
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Actually, you don't "RC". The vast majority of draft dodgers who fled to Canada were never "praised" by anyone.

On the other hand, men who refused induction on the basis of conscientious objection were soundly condemned by conservatives. The one that comes to mind first is Mohammed Ali, heavyweight boxing champion of the world. Rather than run to Canada, Ali stated his case and was willing to accept the consequences, including going to prison. The right had a field day calling him a coward, seeing to it that he was stripped of his title, and banned from professional boxing for three years in the prime of his career. The courts eventually exonerated Ali and he returned to the ring, eventually regaining the championship.

The really pathetic part of this is that one could enlist for as little as 18 months or even join the national guard for a couple of years. Those who waited for their draft notice were foolish on many levels.
 
Bodhisattva said:
What is Cheny's worst legacy?
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I love Dick Cheney. Even after all these years, he still lives in liberal heads. Who'd a thunk a bland,vanilla second stringer like Cheney would have lasted like this.

Of course, he doesn't hold a candle to McNamara, Lyndon Johnson's boy, the one who escalated the Vietnem War; until he abandoned both Johnson AND the War. He's the one, you might remember, who drafted all those retarded kids (Project 100,000) and sent them into combat in Vietnam. Got most of them killed. And, oh yeah, he's the one who said the new M16 rifle didn't need a chrome lined bore, and thought the new rifle wouldn't even need a cleaning kit. Well, that got a bunch of young soldiers killed, too. Yes, sir, that McNamara was quite a guy. Of course, Democrats/liberals don't talk about McNamara much because he was on their team.
 
Waddy said:
I love Dick Cheney. Even after all these years, he still lives in liberal heads. Who'd a thunk a bland,vanilla second stringer like Cheney would have lasted like this.

Of course, he doesn't hold a candle to McNamara, Lyndon Johnson's boy, the one who escalated the Vietnem War; until he abandoned both Johnson AND the War. He's the one, you might remember, who drafted all those retarded kids (Project 100,000) and sent them into combat in Vietnam. Got most of them killed. And, oh yeah, he's the one who said the new M16 rifle didn't need a chrome lined bore, and thought the new rifle wouldn't even need a cleaning kit. Well, that got a bunch of young soldiers killed, too. Yes, sir, that McNamara was quite a guy. Of course, Democrats/liberals don't talk about McNamara much because he was on their team.
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So you love Cheney even though he screwed over America and much of the world and that is fine ... because McNamara was worse? :roll:
 
Bodhisattva said:
So you love Cheney even though he screwed over America and much of the world and that is fine ... because McNamara was worse? :roll:
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No, Cheney was no worse nor better than most of the politicians of his era. Why I love the guy is he still eats into the brains of Democrats/liberals. Anybody with staying power like that has to be acknowledged. Usually it's only a Stalin, a Mao, or a Mother Teresa who gets remembered so long and so well.

And yeah, McNamara was worse....way worse.
 
Waddy said:
No, Cheney was no worse nor better than most of the politicians of his era. Why I love the guy is he still eats into the brains of Democrats/liberals. Anybody with staying power like that has to be acknowledged. Usually it's only a Stalin, a Mao, or a Mother Teresa who gets remembered so long and so well.

And yeah, McNamara was worse....way worse.
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Thank you for clarifying... I hear you. ...and you are also perhaps correct (about McNamara). ;)
 
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