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    Re: If you lose your job, do you still have a moral duty to pay your rent on time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bullseye View Post
    And yet millions of unqualified people getting mortgages collapsed our entire economy not too long ago.
    There were many crooked mortgage brokers who fudged numbers on an applicant's stated income, and some how, the unqualified, those who shouldn't be living over their heads, got loans anyway.
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    Re: If you lose your job, do you still have a moral duty to pay your rent on time?

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Nope.

    It is a privelege.

    That must be paid for.

    Too much of our economy runs off the 30% of gross income levied as what is a tax for all intents and purposes levied by citizens on other citizens and enforced by the state.

    Just like in the country we left Europe all those years ago to get away from.

    It is truly an artificial construct. It relies entirely on force. State force. Nobody at any time prior to the ability to apply that force expended anywhere near 30% of their gross effort on shelter alone.

    But boy did that quickly become the norm as soon as it became possible to force people to cough it up. More than 30% in many cases, actually. How I wish we had left the landlord in Europe. But it's just too good a racket.

    Now its even more fun because businesses don't want to pay pensions so everybody's financial advisors are encouraging them to buy rentals. When I was just growing up you rented because you couldn't afford a mortgage payment. Now, rent is somebody else's mortgage payment. Even if there's no longer a mortgage.

    Housing is like what? 7 times what it was in the seventies?

    How much have wages gone up in that time?

    We really need to look at the feeding activities in this country. All the money humans just suck from other humans. Rents, speculation, etc.
    Don't tell Boomers this. They think they are like gods generously giving us shelter. In reality they are extorting us for our very lives.

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    Re: If you lose your job, do you still have a moral duty to pay your rent on time?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Don't forget the universal destination of goods! Let's not give libertarians an inch.
    While taking the opposite view from libertarians is generally a good practice, I think you may be stretching the universal destination of goods a bit. Unless a person cannot otherwise save his life, the natural law does not give him a strict right to appropriate the goods of any other specific person.

    This is, of course, a separate question from what obligations the landlord has as a matter of charity.
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    Re: If you lose your job, do you still have a moral duty to pay your rent on time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bullseye View Post
    And yet millions of unqualified people getting mortgages collapsed our entire economy not too long ago.
    We really should be asking why such a basic necessity is so expensive that people have to go into crippling mortgages just for a place to live.

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    Re: If you lose your job, do you still have a moral duty to pay your rent on time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bullseye View Post
    Huh? The occupier isn't the owner.
    I'm talking about the situation for owner occupiers.

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    Re: If you lose your job, do you still have a moral duty to pay your rent on time?

    Quote Originally Posted by trixare4kids View Post
    There were many crooked mortgage brokers who fudged numbers on an applicant's stated income, and some how, the unqualified, those who shouldn't be living over their heads, got loans anyway.
    Far easier to blame those who were trying to have a place to live!

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    Re: If you lose your job, do you still have a moral duty to pay your rent on time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    Do the same conditions apply to the renter? I mean, does he have to have no other options and be in danger of death due to, say, the possibility of freezing to death? If not, why not?
    Vagrancy is a crime and the jails are already overcrowded.

    Which is probably why there's a freeze on evictions in California and they gave is enough extra on unemployment for those of us with lives to pay the rent a keep the creditors happy.
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    Re: If you lose your job, do you still have a moral duty to pay your rent on time?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Far easier to blame those who were trying to have a place to live!
    The home owners are responsible for taking mortgages they knew they couldn't afford once the interest rates escalated.
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    Re: If you lose your job, do you still have a moral duty to pay your rent on time?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    We really should be asking why such a basic necessity is so expensive that people have to go into crippling mortgages just for a place to live.
    Those creating anti-eviction and rent control laws is one reason rents are so high.

    Almost no one seeks just enough housing to have a place to live. In much of the world including first world countries, people live in housing likely 1/5th the average size housing in the USA. A family of 4 could live in a 26 foot travel trailer safely. Nearly all Americans vastly over spend on non-necessities, save NOTHING for a rainy day - and the sob demanding the government save them. No one NEEDS a new I-phone very year. No one NEEDS a bigger TV every year. Virtually no one NEEDS a 1500 square foot home or 1,000 square foot apartment. They don't need a new car. Don't need 2 new cars...
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    Re: If you lose your job, do you still have a moral duty to pay your rent on time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Elvira View Post
    Rather than breaking God's laws...yes...
    Now that's just too far. If it's breaking a commandment then why not just kill the landlord?

    Same level crime in God's eyes, right?
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