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Trump's Stimulus

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Funny how the Republican's tune changes when the shoe is on the other foot.

Obama stimulus in the.greatest recession since the great.depression bad for the federal debt. Instead we went with Sequestration.

Now Trump wants an 850 billion dollar stimulus for.his hoax virus.

Of course i say we needed both. What say you?
 
It depends on where these dollars are going. Obama bailed out Wall Street and the Banks and left most everything else to recover on its own. If Trump does the same thing, then it's still not a good use of funds. If we want to get relief out there, then it needs to serve the People first.

The economy is taking quite the hit and I don't think we should start throwing people to the wolves. Banks and Wall Street can wait.
 
We need a stimulus, at least eventually.

That being said, this is one of the complaints I have about this administration and the tax cuts. It is what most economists have stated was wrong with cutting taxes during good times. You should be using that excess revenue to pay off debt and save for this sort of thing. Then, after you take care of getting the debt and deficit under control, and having some savings, then you can cut taxes.

But like I said in a different thread, corporate stimulus/loans/bailouts should definitely come with conditions.

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Need to know more. Nobody has delineated what the stimulus will, supposed to, do. How much will go where to who for what. What are the guarantees and requirements. Who makes the decision. What will the avg American in greatest need get from this and how by what guarantee for how much is the most important. Trump gave away, for no good reason whatsoever, $1.5T to the rich and large corps in his tax plan/wealth redistribution while the avg American got...
 
Rush and Sean use to call this kind of thing Socialism that would move our entire country to Maxism. Now Rush and Sean listeners will be like this...



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Funny how the Republican's tune changes when the shoe is on the other foot.

Obama stimulus in the.greatest recession since the great.depression bad for the federal debt. Instead we went with Sequestration.

Now Trump wants an 850 billion dollar stimulus for.his hoax virus.

Of course i say we needed both. What say you?

I missed most of it, did he say we all gonna get money? It works for me. :thumbs:
 
It depends on where these dollars are going. Obama bailed out Wall Street and the Banks and left most everything else to recover on its own. If Trump does the same thing, then it's still not a good use of funds. If we want to get relief out there, then it needs to serve the People first.

The economy is taking quite the hit and I don't think we should start throwing people to the wolves. Banks and Wall Street can wait.

Obama really had no viable option but to bail them out. I do wish they had pursued them though in court and put some of them in jail. As for Trump, he is going to use this as a way of destroying Medicare and SS. If he really wants to jump start this economy, forgive all student loans right now and give tax credits to anyone who paid off a loan going back to 2010. It could be done with a keystroke. The loan docs everyone signed could be viewed as notes or bonds issued by each of us against future earnings and stay on the balance sheet of the FED forever. Is that any different then when they bought up bad loan tranches? Nope.
 
Obama really had no viable option but to bail them out. I do wish they had pursued them though in court and put some of them in jail. As for Trump, he is going to use this as a way of destroying Medicare and SS. If he really wants to jump start this economy, forgive all student loans right now and give tax credits to anyone who paid off a loan going back to 2010. It could be done with a keystroke. The loan docs everyone signed could be viewed as notes or bonds issued by each of us against future earnings and stay on the balance sheet of the FED forever. Is that any different then when they bought up bad loan tranches? Nope.

Folks have their wires crossed a little.here.

the bank bailout TARP was signed by bush. Troubled Asset Relief Program

Obama's stimulus was the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009. No republicans voted for that one. Congressional democrats wrote it actually before Obama took office. Republicans hated it.
 
Trump should put Sen Sanders in charge of this stimulus........
 
Folks have their wires crossed a little.here.

the bank bailout TARP was signed by bush. Troubled Asset Relief Program

Obama's stimulus was the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009. No republicans voted for that one. Congressional democrats wrote it actually before Obama took office. Republicans hated it.

Agreed but does it matter which Republicans supported it? After all, before we had a black President they were for it and wrote it, after we had a Black POTUS they hated it.
 
Of course i say we needed both. What say you?

I say it doesn't matter if we need both or not. We're broke. We're worse than broke. We're in the hole $23 trillion.

Sorry about the laws of mathematics.
 
Funny how the Republican's tune changes when the shoe is on the other foot.

Obama stimulus in the.greatest recession since the great.depression bad for the federal debt. Instead we went with Sequestration.

Now Trump wants an 850 billion dollar stimulus for.his hoax virus.

Of course i say we needed both. What say you?

The deficit was already going to increase 10 - 15 trillion dollars under Trump if he served a second term. The deficit had already reached 1 trillion every year from 500 billion when he took office We are already paying 450 billion in interest on our current debt, projected to increase to 750 billion. Then interest rates were cut thanks to Trump's pressure and his trade war.

Now we are starting this crisis with a trillion dollar deficit and low interest rates, which limits our ability to increase the debt to stimulate the economy and cut interest rates. Whats worse, tax revenue is going to be slammed this year with the economy shutting down, so the deficit is going to go way up as it is.

With this stimulus that Trump is proposing and more on the way, I think we are going to get a 2 trillion dollar deficit next year easily. This is going to drive up our interest spending on the debt to over 1 trillion per year when the economy recovers and put us into a situation where paying off the past debt is putting us in more and more future debt.

Additionally our healthcare is outrageously expensive so this crisis is going to cost us big time in healthcare bills. We also have fewer doctors and hospital beds than other developed nations. Americans also have less sick leave and vacation than other developed nations and are more likely to take a bigger financial hit. Americans are more likely to go to work anyway and not go to the doctor because of the cost, which is going to make this thing so much worse.

Back in 2018, Trump actually cut the CDC and the pandemic task force which is limiting our capabilities and our early response. He also spend weeks convincing his supporters that the coverage of this virus was a democratic hoax to ruin the economy and that this would go away soon. He also failed to take effective measures previously to deal with this crisis.

It is time for new leadership.
 
Trump's Stimulus? Oops, I thought this thread was going to be about Adderall. :wink3:
 
It depends on where these dollars are going. Obama bailed out Wall Street and the Banks and left most everything else to recover on its own. If Trump does the same thing, then it's still not a good use of funds. If we want to get relief out there, then it needs to serve the People first.

The economy is taking quite the hit and I don't think we should start throwing people to the wolves. Banks and Wall Street can wait.

Thing is... he had to bail out those banks. They were -- and still are -- too big to fail.
 
Thing is... he had to bail out those banks. They were -- and still are -- too big to fail.

Too big to fail is just a term to mean that reckless and short-sighted behavior will be rewarded and backed with tax payer dollars. Nothing is too big to fail. Those banks should have went through bankruptcy, and their profitable arms should have been broken up and sold off.

Too big to fail is a lie by the elite to excuse their bad judgement and ensure that they never feel the repercussions from them.
 
I have no problem with an $850 billion or even a $2 trillion package.

Anything to keep the American people happy and Trump's re-election on track for a sweeping win for further tax breaks.
 
It depends on where these dollars are going. Obama bailed out Wall Street and the Banks and left most everything else to recover on its own. If Trump does the same thing, then it's still not a good use of funds. If we want to get relief out there, then it needs to serve the People first.

The economy is taking quite the hit and I don't think we should start throwing people to the wolves. Banks and Wall Street can wait.

This is not accurate; and this false narrative exists because FOX News and other right-wing media outlets consistently sought to scapegoat Obama and liberals after he was elected. This agenda, with personalities like Ann Coulter and Bill O'Reilly hinting about, was on behalf of banks that wanted conservatives to buy into the idea that they were trying to help the average American and not the bad guys:

- Henry Paulson, Bush's appointed Secretary of the Treasury and prior CEO of Goldman Sachs, proposed the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008. It was rejected by Democrats in the House (205–228) on September 29. The Republicans in the Senate revised it and passed it (74-25) on October 1. The House accepted this one and voted to enact the bill into law on October 3, 2008 (263–171). President Bush signed the bill into law within hours of its congressional enactment, creating the $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) to purchase failing bank assets. Obama was elected a month later.

- Soon after, Democrats proposed a bill to bail-out General Motors and Chrysler. Republicans in the Senate killed it on December 19, 2008, declaring that it didn't impose big enough wage cuts on the Union Auto Workers (UAW). Bush unilaterally agreed anyway to lend $17.4 billion to General Motors and Chrysler, by twisting the law a bit to move funds around. Obama, who was the President-elect, publicly supported Bush’s move, but he did not enter the White House until a month later in January.

So, it is an error to declare that "Obama" bailed out Wall Street and the Banks. He inherited a process that was initiated by Republicans and acted upon by Bush.
 
This is not accurate; and this false narrative exists because FOX News and other right-wing media outlets consistently sought to scapegoat Obama and liberals after he was elected. This agenda, with personalities like Ann Coulter and Bill O'Reilly hinting about, was on behalf of banks that wanted conservatives to buy into the idea that they were trying to help the average American and not the bad guys:

- Henry Paulson, Bush's appointed Secretary of the Treasury and prior CEO of Goldman Sachs, proposed the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008. It was rejected by Democrats in the House (205–228) on September 29. The Republicans in the Senate revised it and passed it (74-25) on October 1. The House accepted this one and voted to enact the bill into law on October 3, 2008 (263–171). President Bush signed the bill into law within hours of its congressional enactment, creating the $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) to purchase failing bank assets. Obama was elected a month later.

- Soon after, Democrats proposed a bill to bail-out General Motors and Chrysler. Republicans in the Senate killed it on December 19, 2008, declaring that it didn't impose big enough wage cuts on the Union Auto Workers (UAW). Bush unilaterally agreed anyway to lend $17.4 billion to General Motors and Chrysler, by twisting the law a bit to move funds around. Obama, who was the President-elect, publicly supported Bush’s move, but he did not enter the White House until a month later in January.

So, it is an error to declare that "Obama" bailed out Wall Street and the Banks. He inherited a process that was initiated by Republicans and acted upon by Bush.

Yep, it was a joint (bipartisan?) effort to reward major campaign cash contributors.
 
Stimulus is good but a week ago would have been better.
 
I have no problem with an $850 billion or even a $2 trillion package.

Anything to keep the American people happy and Trump's re-election on track for a sweeping win for further tax breaks.

Troll alert.

It has become clear over the last three years that keeping Trumps' loyalists happy at any cost is akin to giving the more obnoxious children in the room whatever they want if it makes them happy.

Considering how in debt our country is, I would think that you might have a little bit of a problem with how our government refuses to behave responsibly so that it can easily just write a check in needs of an emergency. But hey, the Treasury continually issuing bonds to China (our supposed enemy) and Americans appearing to the world as financial beggars is nothing as long as it means that the smaller portion of the American population can continue worshiping Trump's odor.
 
Folks have their wires crossed a little.here.

the bank bailout TARP was signed by bush. Troubled Asset Relief Program

Obama's stimulus was the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009. No republicans voted for that one. Congressional democrats wrote it actually before Obama took office. Republicans hated it.

President Bush is who actually saved the economy. As you say, he backed up the Banks, saved the Auto industry in America and handed Obama a recovering economy.
 
Yep, it was a joint (bipartisan?) effort to reward major campaign cash contributors.

Oh, bipartisan is a very good word to use.

In fact, it was Bill Clinton that signed the legislation that dismantled Glass-Steagall in 1999 after publicly supporting the creation of Citigroup. A major hold out blocking the legislation was the Black Caucus, who did not like that banks were going to be released of their obligation to the poor. This is where Jesse Jackson came into play and helped Clinton get the nod (Banks received loop holes, instead of downright excused). The banks and Big Business had, for a couple decades, courted politicians to reverse the regulations enacted through the New Deal. With the vast majority of the financial donations going to Republicans, Clinton's argument was that Democrats should get more than they were. This is why he was instrumental for Republicans when it came to deregulating the banks and the energy industry. Enron executives and lobbyists were constantly present within the Clinton entourage overseas in foreign governments and they actually helped write the legislation that Congress and the White House would approve.

Another fact, after Enron imploded just two years after they helped write the legislation that freed it to **** itself, filing for bankruptcy in 2001,the Center for Responsive Politics estimated that 71 senators and 188 members of the House had received contributions from Enron. These were Republicans and Democrats, all seeking to satisfy the average American's ideologies against the other, while working for the same corporate employer.

So, yeah, when it came to the 2007 banking meltdown, Republicans and Democrats were all too eager to throw our tax money towards their true benefactors. The irony is that after spending so much time and money convincing Washington that it could regulate itself, thus dismantling Glass-Steagall, it wound up proving that it couldn't...just like it did in 1929. Directly after the 2007-08 meltdown, these banks went on to shamelessly seize the average American tax-payer's home and his small business. So, banks not only made a temporary killing in their decade long cash grab, they also made money by forcing the government hand-out, and then made money seizing people's property. In the meantime, Republicans tried to blame liberals for obligating banks to support the poor (despite the 1999 or 2000 legislation relieving them of that obligation) and Democrats (Obama, after making a brilliant bi-partisan speech presenting exactly what happened) blamed Republicans for driving the bus (before Obama appointed Clinton's economic team that led deregulation in the first place).

And today? Corporations were given a gift in 2007. They no longer pay federal taxes at all. But here we are again...looking for government to use even less tax-dollars to create some socialism for the American people.....with corporate bail-outs inevitability on the way. This wouldn't be such a big deal were we not so enthusiastic about being a debtor nation with nothing in the bank other than more Treasury bonds destined for China. Except this time, bail-outs will be more shameful because corporations don't even pay their share of the taxes anymore. And isn't unemployment already appearing, meaning an inability to pay rent, mortgage, and other bills? What did the banks do last time while corporations hunkered down and sat on a trillion dollars? Again, we see Trickle Down proving itself as a con game to enrich the much upper echelons of American society.

My bet? Nobody is going to learn a damn thing again. Conservatives will continue to make bad arguments about socialism even as their elected practice it for Big Business. Democrats will continue to insist that their side is clean and cares deeply for Americans. They will both persist in their quest to vote for their political team as if it means that they get to feel like they win too, while the Republicans and Democrats they vote for sit in the same room and receive their corporate donations to pretend that they actually oppose each other in any meaningful way.
 
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Too big to fail is just a term to mean that reckless and short-sighted behavior will be rewarded and backed with tax payer dollars. Nothing is too big to fail. Those banks should have went through bankruptcy, and their profitable arms should have been broken up and sold off.

Too big to fail is a lie by the elite to excuse their bad judgement and ensure that they never feel the repercussions from them.

Bankrupting those bank would have led to bankrupting the country.
 
President Bush is who actually saved the economy. As you say, he backed up the Banks, saved the Auto industry in America and handed Obama a recovering economy.

Holy **** man.... what planet do you live on again? Amazing that history can be we-written so goddamn fast.
 
Bankrupting those bank would have led to bankrupting the country.

Doubtful, everything can be replaced. We have systems set up to handle the bankruptcy of large entities like this too. The country would have been fine.
 
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