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Influenza A/H1N1

Can we compare the CV19 and Influenza A/H1N1 crisis?


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No. We've never banned travel to Europe, cancelled the NCAA, NBA and NHL before. I'd say that alone adds up to $2B in lost revenue for the month of March.
On the positive side, I went to Costco today. That always helps the economy more than it should.
 
The numbers of those infected don't reflect the actual number of those infected. And, this ain't no seasonal flu. It's a pandemic virus that won't go away soon.
H1N1 was also a pandemic virus that didn't go away soon.
 
Neither will this one. Buckle up.
We'll see. Hopefully is begins to wind down in a few weeks, but will eventually pick up again in the southern hemisphere when the weather changes.
 
We'll see. Hopefully is begins to wind down in a few weeks, but will eventually pick up again in the southern hemisphere when the weather changes.

This has just begun. It's not going away any time soon.
 
Why are they hoarding if not for mass hysteria?

I think there is a difference between preparation and reaction and hysteria. People, from what I've seen for the most part, are preparing to be isolated into their homes for 30 days or more. You don't have to be hysterical to want to have 30+ days of food, water, hygiene ect on hand in case it happens. These are the experts telling people to be prepared for this scenario. The toilet paper thing puzzles me as I don't know how much an ass can be wiped in 30 days, but food and water and such makes sense.
 
Oh the melodrama. Somewhere the world's tiniest violin is playing.

Honestly, what is going to spread this disease in the USA is lack of affordable health care, which is an election platform that Trump was AGAINST. I have friends in NYC, one of whom works in an ER there, and she said the Department of Health is only testing people who meet admission criteria to the hospital. This means most people who have it aren't even getting tested.

Do you understand? Our health care system is a mess. It's fragmented by privatization and non-uniform policy. Trump himself downplayed the seriousness of the disease at the outset because he was trying to preserve the economy; or have you forgotten that he himself said the #1 measure of the health of the U.S. is its economy? Well, the stock market is tanking now. Kudos.

The virus WILL spread and there's nothing we can do about it now. It's on our shores, and we lack the health care infrastructure to really prevent the spread. Millions of infected people without health care are not going to go to hospitals, or they will when it's already too late.

Do you understand yet??

It's not critical thinkers who spread disease. It's bad government. Did you even bother to read the links I posted? I'm assuming not.

There is plenty that can be done to limit and slow the spread of disease. Listen to the experts. You are absolutely not in a position better than they to know.
 
Is there any comparison? Since this will get political, and many will call it a whataboutism, who again was VP during that time?



2009 flu pandemic in the United States - Wikipedia

Edit, bad wording on my part. Should read are the...and the ...comparable. Sorry

You can, there are similarities, but it's not exactly apples to apples. There was concern with swine flu, mostly because of the deaths attributed to it, far more were in a "young and healthy" state than other diseases. However, overall, it's mortality rate was much lower and its rate of spread much slower. Though it did spread, and even with a lower mortality rate, it is responsible (as of now) for more deaths globally than coronavirus has managed due to the fact that it has hit more people than Covid-19.

Swine Flu was declared a pandemic and it did cause the closing of schools as well. So there are some similarities there. However, the US declared an emergency much earlier in the outbreak cycle, the response was more efficient and effective. While swine flu broke out in April of 2009, but October of 2009 there was a vaccine making its way out the door. We're looking at probably a year or so for a vaccine for Covid.

Coronavirus appears to be far more deadly than the swine flu, and we're just at the beginning of this outbreak still, it's going to spread. The reaction has been unorganized at best and Trump has not instilled any amount of trust or faith in the system. I think that's aiding into the overreaction and toilet paper runs. I think he had even fired the health response teams prior to the Covid outbreak. Dumb. So we're seeing a much more exaggerated response this time. Part of it is based in the facts that Covid appears to be a fast spreader, it seems to be far more deadlier than Swine Flu, and part is because of the lackluster response the Trump admin put together.

So you can compare the two, there's certainly some similarities there. But they're not the same sort of disease, and the response cannot exactly be the same as it was for Swine.
 
There is plenty that can be done to limit and slow the spread of disease. Listen to the experts. You are absolutely not in a position better than they to know.

I find your comments incredibly ignorant and righteous.

Not to mention, you have a reading comprehension problem. I never said to not take precautions. I actually said the complete opposite.

Re-read my posts and then get back to me.
 
I find your comments incredibly ignorant and righteous.

Not to mention, you have a reading comprehension problem. I never said to not take precautions. I actually said the complete opposite.

Re-read my posts and then get back to me.

Here I'll help you out.

Honestly, what is going to spread this disease in the USA is lack of affordable health care

Wrong. You can talk ignorance all you want but at least don't call someone else ignorant while posting this garbage. Health care costs aren't stopping the spread. Social distancing, hygience, isolation when sick will. You are not saying the opposite. You are discounting proven methods promoted by people who absolutely know more than you on the subject and spouting off political talking points in their place.

The virus WILL spread and there's nothing we can do about it now

Again, there are lots of things that we can be doing.

As for you calling me self righteous, lets re-read more of your ignorant rant

Do you understand?

Do you understand yet??

As for if I understand....yes. I understand you have no idea what you are talking about. You have decided you know more than medical professionals and are touting ignorance above logic.

And I would end it the same way about going back and re-reading but you certainly don't strike me as the reading type and I don't want you to get back to me.
 
So we're three-four months in. Those stats cover about a year.

Time will tell. It's gonna get much worse in numbers. It's out and we have no idea near where or how many already.

I wish we had gone with "Well, this is gonna suck for a few months. But a little inconvenience now will be better than playing catch-up later."

What's 25% of 12,000?
 
Here I'll help you out.

Wrong. You can talk ignorance all you want but at least don't call someone else ignorant while posting this garbage. Health care costs aren't stopping the spread. Social distancing, hygience, isolation when sick will. You are not saying the opposite. You are discounting proven methods promoted by people who absolutely know more than you on the subject and spouting off political talking points in their place.

Again, there are lots of things that we can be doing.

As for you calling me self righteous, lets re-read more of your ignorant rant

As for if I understand....yes. I understand you have no idea what you are talking about. You have decided you know more than medical professionals and are touting ignorance above logic.

And I would end it the same way about going back and re-reading but you certainly don't strike me as the reading type and I don't want you to get back to me.

You can stop the posturing already. If you want to have a mature, adult conversation, then I'm all for that. The self-important attitude is not needed.

The fact is, the ECDC, the Chinese CDC, and the American CDC have all concluded that the highest risk of death results from lack of access to supportive therapy, i.e. hospital emergency rooms and ICUs. There are two aspects of this which are threatening: 1) If people can't afford access to hospitals or live an area with medical scarcity; and 2) Hospitals become so bombarded with sick patients that they can't maintain resources. European cities fit the second point only. The U.S. fits points 1 and 2 because we don't have public health care. So our death rate could theoretically be higher per capita than Europe or even China.

The latest WHO report (issued yesterday) says that the pandemic can be successfully navigated in every country if hospitals can handle the influx of people. It's all about hospital resources. Period. It doesn't matter if the public takes precautions. If the populace isn't locked down, the virus will still spread, because the R naught is higher than 3 and so its spread will be exponential, based on asymptomatic individuals infecting others.

So you see, they are already predicting a massive spread of this virus. It's not if but when. The spread is already exponential, and the detection measures are inadequate. So, given that, it comes down to hospital resources.

If you would stop waving your dick around for 5 seconds and look at the facts, you might learn a thing or two. The virus WILL spread. All of the public health measures currently being taken are about buying time so that the WHO can ascertain more details about the virus, and so that institutional resources can be properly allocated in the areas that are going to be hardest hit, such as large cities. China is pushing an unsafe vaccine that will be available inside a month. The clinically trialled vaccine done properly won't be available for 8-12 months. So, do the math. Infection rate is increasing at 900% per day so far, with no way to prevent it, health authorities aren't adequately testing, and hospitals are under resourced. Put 2 and 2 together.

So far, the majority of fatalities (>60%) have been among those age 60 and older. In Italy, ALL of the fatalities were in that age group. Same as the flu.

It sounds like you need to do more reading before you lecture me about my ignorance. You don't even know my educational or work background. Trust me, I know way more about this than you do.
 
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Trump spends all afternoon talking about swine flu, Lovebug comes running to DP to create a thread about swine flu.

It's like when Navy Pride would watch Hannity, and 20 minutes later come make a thread about it.

Free thinking is a privilege.

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So we're three-four months in. Those stats cover about a year.

Time will tell. It's gonna get much worse in numbers. It's out and we have no idea near where or how many already.

I wish we had gone with "Well, this is gonna suck for a few months. But a little inconvenience now will be better than playing catch-up later."

So we are at 41 deaths 4 months in.

You think it will be in the thousands in the next 8 months?

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) in the U.S. | CDC
 
The fatality rate is what separates this from H1N1. They are still gathering information, and not every case of COVID19 will be diagnosed so we'll never really know the exact number, but it seems it will be over 1% and some estimates have been up to 3%. That is a scare number if the virus spreads to the same number of people in the US or worldwide. Comparitively the H1N1 strain had a mortality rate of .01-.08%. If those rates hold and infections spreads the same or worse we'd be looking at somewhere between 500,000 - 2 million deaths in the US, more if it spreads further.

How long will it take for millions of people to die?

The CDC reports 41 have dies so far so how long before the first million die?

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) in the U.S. | CDC
 
So we are at 41 deaths 4 months in.

You think it will be in the thousands in the next 8 months?

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) in the U.S. | CDC

Well, nobody knows, do they?

We literally have no idea how many are currently infected, asymptomatically spreading it around.

None whatsoever.

The testing debacle is gonna come back on somebody, because somebody screwed the pooch.

Hell, we don't know how many have died from it with no explanation. Did they die of COVID? Or did they just die of pneumonia?

We.

Do.

Not.

Know.
 
Well, nobody knows, do they?

We literally have no idea how many are currently infected, asymptomatically spreading it around.

None whatsoever.

The testing debacle is gonna come back on somebody, because somebody screwed the pooch.

Hell, we don't know how many have died from it with no explanation. Did they die of COVID? Or did they just die of pneumonia?

We.

Do.

Not.

Know.

Exactly, so why the closing of schools and venues on speculation, and not informed speculation, as you said nobody knows.
 
Is there any comparison? Since this will get political, and many will call it a whataboutism, who again was VP during that time?



2009 flu pandemic in the United States - Wikipedia

Edit, bad wording on my part. Should read are the...and the ...comparable. Sorry

Different times, different disease and coverage. Besides, the Media was already covering the big story of that time, The Great Recession.

Who knows why, maybe the intense partisanship is emotionally driving attitudes, biases, and thoughts?
 
Exactly, so why the closing of schools and venues on speculation, and not informed speculation, as you said nobody knows.

Because without a functiong testing regimen social distancing is the only valid response.

Had the administration not ****ed that up we would have been able to target SD responses to where they were needed.

But we don't know that. So we have to do far more blanket responses.

I will be very surprised if this highly contaigious virus with asymptomatic carriers hasn't resulted in six figure infections at this point, increasing exponentially while we play catch-up.

We're all gonna find out in the weeks to come.
 
Exactly, so why the closing of schools and venues on speculation, and not informed speculation, as you said nobody knows.

It would be irresponsible to wait until there are enough deaths to satisfy your blood lust before taking action. They know it is deadly, they know the death toll can reach millions without interventions, they know how to limit deaths. The idea behind saving lives is saving them before they die.
 
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