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Trump vs Sanders Map

Which best describes your opinion of map?

  • Map is accurate - Trump is in trouble

    Votes: 1 5.0%

  • Map is accurate - Sanders would be in trouble

    Votes: 8 40.0%

  • Map is not accurate - Trump is in much better shape

    Votes: 5 25.0%

  • Map is not accurate - Sanders is in much better shape

    Votes: 3 15.0%

  • Map is accurate for any dem

    Votes: 3 15.0%

  • Map would be different for another dem

    Votes: 4 20.0%
  • Total voters
    20
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Here's what a Sanders-Trump map could look like - CNNPolitics

Take a look at the above link. Seems accurate to me based on how things look right now without any super political day dreaming. Based on this map I think Sanders has a tough road ahead.

Holding on to MN, MI, and VA with a socialism tagline is not going to be easy. Also seems hard to pull right leaning states like Oh and IA.

What do you think?

Map is accurate - Trump is in trouble (meaning Trump is trouble if map is accurate)
Map is accurate - Sanders would be in trouble (meaning Sanders is trouble if map is accurate)
Map is not accurate - Trump is in much better shape (meaning Trump is in better shape than map indicates)
Map is not accurate - Sanders is in much better shape (meaning Sanders is in better shape than map indicates)
Map is accurate for any dem
Map would be different for another dem
 
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It seems reasonable. I'd give Trump v Sanders a 50/50.
 
That map seems about right but a little friendly to Sanders. I don't see a socialist winning the Midwest.

Still, anything could change in the next eight months. A stock market crash, a pandemic... ;)
 
Numbers will probably tighten as it gets closer. I hope that Squirrelhead McOompaLoompa gets voted out.
 
Phys251 said:
That map seems about right but a little friendly to Sanders. I don't see a socialist winning the Midwest.

Still, anything could change in the next eight months. A stock market crash, a pandemic... ;)
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People have a short memory. Pandemic and stock market crash in the spring is at least 30 political scandals away for this guy.
 
Many in VA are angry over the gun control debacle, they may go Trump over it.
 
Kreton said:
People have a short memory. Pandemic and stock market crash in the spring is at least 30 political scandals away for this guy.
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Unless this persists and begins the Trump recession.
 
Phys251 said:
Unless this persists and begins the Trump recession.
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Dems are rejoicing the stock market crash, hoping it will hurt Trump.

The crash will be a tiny dot in the rear-view mirror in November.

It won't hurt Trump, so stop dancing.
 
SkyChief said:
Dems are rejoicing stock market crash.

The crash will be a tiny dot in the rear-view mirror in November.

It won't hurt Trump, so stop dancing.
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Pretty sure no one is "rejoicing" over the stock market crash.
 
Phys251 said:
Unless this persists and begins the Trump recession.
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$6T of wealth has just been removed from the economy. Earnings forecasts have been, and are being, revised downward. As of today, people are afraid to travel and go out in public. We are pretty much at the door of a recession, if not already several steps inside.
 
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Kreton said:
Here's what a Sanders-Trump map could look like - CNNPolitics

Take a look at the above link. Seems accurate to me based on how things look right now without any super political day dreaming. Based on this map I think Sanders has a tough road ahead.

Holding on to MN, MI, and VA with a socialism tagline is not going to be easy. Also seems hard to pull right leaning states like Oh and IA.

What do you think?

Map is accurate - Trump is in trouble (meaning Trump is trouble if map is accurate)
Map is accurate - Sanders would be in trouble (meaning Sanders is trouble if map is accurate)
Map is not accurate - Trump is in much better shape (meaning Trump is in better shape than map indicates)
Map is not accurate - Sanders is in much better shape (meaning Sanders is in better shape than map indicates)
Map is accurate for any dem
Map would be different for another dem
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The map is accurate, but it's a snapshot in time. That time, and the map, could be very different 6 months from now. Overall, I think Trump would win against Bernie.
 
SkyChief said:
Dems are rejoicing the stock market crash, hoping it will hurt Trump.

The crash will be a tiny dot in the rear-view mirror in November.

It won't hurt Trump, so stop dancing.
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Prove it with supporting documentation. If you are unable to produce said documentation, your comment will be taken as a lie. :)

Notice that you said Dems plural, so you are expected to show that multiple Democrats and not a tiny fringe are rejoicing at Trump's market crash. ;)
 
SkyChief said:
Dems are rejoicing the stock market crash, hoping it will hurt Trump.

The crash will be a tiny dot in the rear-view mirror in November.

It won't hurt Trump, so stop dancing.
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Remember when Rush and other Republicans hoped Obama would fail in pulling the nation out of the Recession? LOL
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Remember when Rush and other Republicans hoped Obama would fail in pulling the nation out of the Recession? LOL
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That was true but what Rush said was he hoped Obama's leftist policies would fail.
 
Kreton said:
Holding on to MN, MI, and VA with a socialism tagline is not going to be easy.

What do you think?
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Most polls have Sanders winning very easily in Virginia, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Minnesota. He's also leading in Wisconsin, and Arizona is a good bet to go blue this year.

So basically take your map and flip Pennsylvania to blue and Arizona to yellow. If that is the case all Sanders has to do is win either Wisconsin or Arizona. Trump would be required to win both.

Here's what 270towin currently has...

2020 Presidential Election Interactive Map

They have Florida(29), North Carolina(15), Penn(20), Wisconsin(10) and Arizona(11) as toss ups with Democrats already sitting at 248 and Trump sitting at 204. Sanders only needs 22 electoral votes to win. He could win Florida alone and claim victory. Granted that's unlikely, but a combination of Pennsylvania with any other individual state secures his victory. Trump can only afford to lose 1 out of the five states and it can't be Florida.

I like any Democrats chances of winning this thing, and Bernie is currently polling the best out of anybody. He's even a serious threat to Trump in Texas and Georgia.
 
Nevada should be dark blue after how well Sanders perfcormed in the caucus. He blew out everyone else there. In a two-man race, he would have picked up even more votes and delegates. We all know what Trump thinks about Hispanics and it is not good.
 
Good news for Trump.

During primaries, the candidates always beat the incumbent president in polls. Once the general election starts, things even out.

If Bernie isn't way ahead at this point, the odds of him beating Trump in the general are pretty slim.
 
SkyChief said:
Dems are rejoicing the stock market crash, hoping it will hurt Trump.

The crash will be a tiny dot in the rear-view mirror in November.

It won't hurt Trump, so stop dancing.
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Depends if it evolves into a Recession. The bond market has been flashing warning signs. And if COVID-19 turns into a year-long widespread pandemic, then Nov won't be a runaway. Even the staunchest of supporters don't like a Jabroni.
 
WCH said:
That was true but what Rush said was he hoped Obama's leftist policies would fail.
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Mostly correct. Do you agree that Democrats are't hoping the nation's economy collapses as the RW nutjobs have asserted?
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Mostly correct. Do you agree that Democrats are't hoping the nation's economy collapses as the RW nutjobs have asserted?
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IMO, they will go to any lengths to destroy Trump/the Right. Look what they've put this country through over the last 3 years!
 
This map is obviously inaccurate. The creators even admitted all they wanted to do was see how Donald Trump can win where he should lose.

"What we're doing here is giving Republicans a boost in places where recent Democratic gains have been fueled by growth in affluent, highly-educated suburbs. Sanders may ultimately replicate Hillary Clinton's numbers in places like metro-area Altanta, Dallas, Houston, and Pheonix. Still, there are reasons to believe that his left-wing econominc and governing philosophy, particulary as contrasted wiht many Americans' positive views on the economy, may cost Democrats some support in these places."
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You can't get more biased in favor of Trump than that.
 
WCH said:
It's terribly hard to tell.

The media has described it as "an opening for the Democrats"
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It could be an opening for them, that's not "rejoicing", just stating a fact. The biggest thing Trump has going for him is the economy. If that turns over heading into the election, it could open up some space for the Democrats. That's a fact.

That being said, I don't think it's going to come to that. I think the markets will recover and stabilize far before November. This is a freak out over coronavirus, and it won't last into November.
 
Phys251 said:
Prove it with supporting documentation. If you are unable to produce said documentation, your comment will be taken as a lie. :)

Notice that you said Dems plural, so you are expected to show that multiple Democrats and not a tiny fringe are rejoicing at Trump's market crash. ;)
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Yes I did say dems - plural. That means more than one. I completely understand your frustration.

Most (more than 50%) Americans just can't stomach socialism.

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CBS News poll: Most voters expect Trump will be reelected - CBS News
 
MrWonka said:
Most polls have Sanders winning very easily in Virginia, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Minnesota. He's also leading in Wisconsin, and Arizona is a good bet to go blue this year.

So basically take your map and flip Pennsylvania to blue and Arizona to yellow. If that is the case all Sanders has to do is win either Wisconsin or Arizona. Trump would be required to win both.

Here's what 270towin currently has...

2020 Presidential Election Interactive Map

They have Florida(29), North Carolina(15), Penn(20), Wisconsin(10) and Arizona(11) as toss ups with Democrats already sitting at 248 and Trump sitting at 204. Sanders only needs 22 electoral votes to win. He could win Florida alone and claim victory. Granted that's unlikely, but a combination of Pennsylvania with any other individual state secures his victory. Trump can only afford to lose 1 out of the five states and it can't be Florida.

I like any Democrats chances of winning this thing, and Bernie is currently polling the best out of anybody. He's even a serious threat to Trump in Texas and Georgia.
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I saw that one and I personally don't buy into it. Especially with Sanders as a nominee. Sanders cannot win Florida in my opinion. But there is nothing wrong with optimism. I hope you are right. I really do.
 
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