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Is Trump a Fascist?

Is Trump a Fascist?

  • Yes

    Votes: 32 31.1%
  • No

    Votes: 65 63.1%
  • Maybe

    Votes: 5 4.9%
  • I don't know

    Votes: 1 1.0%

  • Total voters
    103
Actually he hires them on a regular basis. Your Democratic Party is having a color issue in this presidential race.

Plus we have to ignore & forget the history of democrats..... the original racist party LOL

... But TRUMP is a racist and a this and a that ... Oh ! He's a big meanie and we don't like him ! That mean guy LOL

I see both of you have chosen to skip the whole, "if you hug a black person, that proves you're not a nazi" racist rhetoric. How strange.

The entire trump is a racist stuff is so stupid & childish ... if you like looking ridiculous like your buddy Joe Biden, keep it up though ; )
 
Yes, the ones that help the working class. But even then, they opposed unions, putting them back on Trump's side.
LOL, the working class has been helped for the past three plus years. More jobs, higher wages, lower taxes. Dems are promising more taxes, more regulations, higher prices and less opportunity.
 
I would say the hatred of the enlightenment has always been a feature of fascism.

The 21st Century Uniquely American Fascism of Putin-Trump & Rowers draws on the 20th century fascism of the European past that was and remains antithetical to the Enlightenment and its philosophers. In these ways and more the Republican Party and the American Right have become what we with allied Europeans took up arms to fight against throughout the 20th century in defense of precepts, values, mores that originated with the Enlightenment.


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The American Right's long term and consistent rejection of the EU and modern European institutions that have a lineage from the rationality and classic Liberalism of the Enlightenment are high profile and vehement. The Republican Party of the American Right heaped a constant praise on Putin from 2012 until mid 2015 when Trump descended the escalator in Faulty Tower. The Republican Party of the American Right has always hailed Putin as the strongman leader, the master strategist, the master chess player, the efficient defender of an enforced unitary and monolithic society and its politics and so on.

In contrast the American Right does not criticize or critique Putin and Russia, focusing instead against European precepts, values, mores, immigration policies in particular among other post nationalist endeavors, citing these as threatening Russia via the Nato alliance that -- precisely the opposite -- protects Europe from Russia and preserves European security and defends it. It is Putin who has changed the borders in Europe by force of state arms for the first time since World War II. The Republican Party meanwhile has become the largest pro Russia political party outside of Russia.



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The 21st Century Uniquely American Fascism of Putin-Trump & Rowers draws on the 20th century fascism of the European past that was and remains antithetical to the Enlightenment and its philosophers. In these ways and more the Republican Party and the American Right have become what we with allied Europeans took up arms to fight against throughout the 20th century in defense of precepts, values, mores that originated with the Enlightenment.


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The American Right's long term and consistent rejection of the EU and modern European institutions that have a lineage from the rationality and classic Liberalism of the Enlightenment are high profile and vehement. The Republican Party of the American Right heaped a constant praise on Putin from 2012 until mid 2015 when Trump descended the escalator in Faulty Tower. The Republican Party of the American Right has always hailed Putin as the strongman leader, the master strategist, the master chess player, the efficient defender of an enforced unitary and monolithic society and its politics and so on.

In contrast the American Right does not criticize or critique Putin and Russia, focusing instead against European precepts, values, mores, immigration policies in particular among other post nationalist endeavors, citing these as threatening Russia via the Nato alliance that -- precisely the opposite -- protects Europe from Russia and preserves European security and defends it. It is Putin who has changed the borders in Europe by force of state arms for the first time since World War II. The Republican Party meanwhile has become the largest pro Russia political party outside of Russia.



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We agree.
 
Plus we have to ignore & forget the history of democrats..... the original racist party LOL

... But TRUMP is a racist and a this and a that ... Oh ! He's a big meanie and we don't like him ! That mean guy LOL



The entire trump is a racist stuff is so stupid & childish ... if you like looking ridiculous like your buddy Joe Biden, keep it up though ; )

Lets forget the southern strategy while we are digging into more than 100 years ago....
 
Diminishing power of government while enhancing power of the executive seems contrary to your point.

Sorry, but the power of the executive has reduced under Trump. This was already noted when I commented on how there has been a reduction in regulations and the size and scope of the bureaucratic institutions. These are all executive powers that have been reduced. If he was consolidating power he wouldn't have taken away the things that give him the power in the first place.
 
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He is as fascist as he can be at this point. There is every indication that given time and opportunity he will become more so. It doesn't happen overnight.

When Trump acts on anything the vast majority of the time he does so for personal or political reasons, rarely for the People. When he acts for political reasons it is based on a personal reason.

Look at his late and half-assed response to the Corona Virus. He's only concerned about virus's affect on the stock market not the possible pain, suffering and death of Americans.

I still think he's more of a wannabe dictator - a Batista or Pinochet: not idealistic in any way and no real vision for the country, just a desire to hoard power. The real danger is that as long as Republicans keep priming the pump they'll end up with a genuine fascist one day.

They are trying to stop as many people voting as possible, maintain minority rule, stack the courts and prime their electorate - many of them religious 'followers' - to get behind a real strongman when he comes along. This one will be a competent leader and statesman and hide his intentions much better than Trump can. He will be able to wrangle different branches of government and party factions more effectively, and more efficiently deploy emergency powers to restrict the press, stifle dissent, reduce checks and balances. Then America is in trouble.
 
I still think he's more of a wannabe dictator - a Batista or Pinochet: not idealistic in any way and no real vision for the country, just a desire to hoard power. The real danger is that as long as Republicans keep priming the pump they'll end up with a genuine fascist one day.

They are trying to stop as many people voting as possible, maintain minority rule, stack the courts and prime their electorate - many of them religious 'followers' - to get behind a real strongman when he comes along. This one will be a competent leader and statesman and hide his intentions much better than Trump can. He will be able to wrangle different branches of government and party factions more effectively, and more efficiently deploy emergency powers to restrict the press, stifle dissent, reduce checks and balances. Then America is in trouble.

OK, I see what you are saying and I agree. Trump has no grand scheme or ideology. IMHO he isn’t that bright nor does he have even a basic understanding of governance nor does he have the personal discipline to conceive or implement a grand political change. Trump simply wants more power and control because he is extremely insecure and a malignant narcissist.

Also, Trump’s assery may well leave a perfect opening for a much smarter person with fascist designs to replace him.
 
Reading issue? Corporatism is used in the definition of fascism, but not to indicate that corporations run the government, rather vice versa. In particular, Italy's version is the original. Mussolini had the government buying businesses and replacing the management.

Go promote you ideas of big businesses taking over the world in the forum reserved for conspiracy theories.
 
The result of ruling the law unconstitutional is the creation of an oligarchy, which is quite hostile to democracy. Speech isn't free. Its expensive.

LOL. The non-profit organization called Citizens United was many things, but an oligarchy was not one of them.

They were and are a shoestring organization that put out a barely watchable documentary called "Hillary, the Movie" in the summer of 2008. In the normal course of things, this film would have enjoyed limited distribution and then forgotten about forever. But that did not happen. Instead, they were told they could not distribute it because it was within 60 days of an election. Oddly enough, at the same time, Michael Moore was able to show his documentary, "Fahrenheit 911" in theaters because the FCC bizarrely decided it was entertainment and not political. Yes, seriously.

Which side seems more oligarchical to you? Citizens United with their piddly little Hillary movie, or Lions Gate and Paramount Pictures who developed and distributed F-911 which won Cannes and made millions at the box office?
 
I still think he's more of a wannabe dictator - a Batista or Pinochet: not idealistic in any way and no real vision for the country, just a desire to hoard power. The real danger is that as long as Republicans keep priming the pump they'll end up with a genuine fascist one day.

They are trying to stop as many people voting as possible, maintain minority rule, stack the courts and prime their electorate - many of them religious 'followers' - to get behind a real strongman when he comes along. This one will be a competent leader and statesman and hide his intentions much better than Trump can. He will be able to wrangle different branches of government and party factions more effectively, and more efficiently deploy emergency powers to restrict the press, stifle dissent, reduce checks and balances. Then America is in trouble.

All of that for sure...and more.

The configuration of 21st century uniquely American fascism is being formed, shaped, organized and given content as we speak and it draws its meaning from the existing standard definitions of past fascisms that gained state power during the first half of the 20th century in Europe, in East Asia and elsewhere since.

Post #6 provides some of the outlines of the organic and embryonic uniquely American fascism occurring presently. One clearly visible manifestation of this incipient American Fascism is that Putin-Trump and Rowers are conducting themselves and directing their behaviors against Articles 1 and 3 of the Constitution as well as many of the Amendments to it, the post civil war amendments especially. That is, the 21st Century Incipient & Uniquely American Fascism hates the Constitution and the rationality of the European Enlightenment that provided a significant basis of our Constitutional structures and systems as a post monarchy democratic republic.
 
Is Trump a Fascist? poll...

A fascist or a Fascist, that is the question. There are a number of nation-states which were fascist, there was only one that was a Fascist, that was Mussolini's Italy.

Trump is a fascist, if the 14 points warning of fascism are accurate, trump has checked of each one of them in one manner or another.

See:

This list of 14 early warning signs of fascism is chilling | indy100

And,

American Fascism is Real, and It's Not New

And,

The 14 points of Fascism
 
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Take away here is that there aren't many undecideds, and that this forum, or maybe just this thread, is overpopulated with conservatives.
 
If "facism" means securing our borders, then hell yes he's a "fascist" and I'm proud of it.
 
Then prove I'm wrong.

Show me evidence of Trump being charismatic, having a good personality, and speaking and/or reading on his own at a higher than elementary vocabulary level.

Watch his rallies if you're so inclined. I was just showing how your own rules can be so widely applied to posters such as yourself.
 
Your denial is showing.

While you hiding behind your own denial is something that I'm well tired of seeing at this point.

Say all you want about the GOP, or the senate. You're in no way capable of proving your assumptions to be correct.
 
If you don't recognize examples supporting opinions, your post is currently being laughed off the forum.

If that's all you have, then you're fine imaging whatever you like. It makes no difference to me.
 
Your denial is showing.

Indeed Oborosen is the self appointed smartest guy in the room shrink in Bama who focuses on each poster rather than discuss the thread topic and issues.

While others strive to offer definitions and meanings of fascism in USA 21st century style he ignores any such thing.

I suppose it was exasperation several months ago when he posted to me that if it came down to it he'd rather be a Russian than a Democrat. Still however and while it hasn't yet come down to it, he's there already and as of long ago along with the rest of 'em here. At least he admits it and that is a confession that goes a long way.
 
Indeed Oborosen is the self appointed smartest guy in the room shrink in Bama who focuses on each poster rather than discuss the thread topic and issues.

While others strive to offer definitions and meanings of fascism in USA 21st century style he ignores any such thing.

I suppose it was exasperation several months ago when he posted to me that if it came down to it he'd rather be a Russian than a Democrat. Still however and while it hasn't yet come down to it, he's there already and as of long ago along with the rest of 'em here. At least he admits it and that is a confession that goes a long way.

Seeing as you can't actually debate anyone, and those that disagree with you are continually called Putin-Trump rowers. I don't think you have much of a leg to stand on here Tangmo.

So I can see why you devolved into needing to lie about someone like you've been doing.
 
Trump is suing a paper for expressing an opinion he doesn't like, purging the government of employees who are not personally loyal to him, stocking his administration leadership positions with corporate heads and praising a foreign leader who is creating a religous citizen test. And folks say he isn't a fascist. Go figure.
 
While you hiding behind your own denial is something that I'm well tired of seeing at this point.

Say all you want about the GOP, or the senate. You're in no way capable of proving your assumptions to be correct.

I have already proven my assumptions.
 
Indeed Oborosen is the self appointed smartest guy in the room shrink in Bama who focuses on each poster rather than discuss the thread topic and issues.

While others strive to offer definitions and meanings of fascism in USA 21st century style he ignores any such thing.

I suppose it was exasperation several months ago when he posted to me that if it came down to it he'd rather be a Russian than a Democrat. Still however and while it hasn't yet come down to it, he's there already and as of long ago along with the rest of 'em here. At least he admits it and that is a confession that goes a long way.

The disease that is Trump has infected a large number of people. The only cure for it is the immediate removal of Trump from the political system and then there will be a lengthy period of recovery.
 
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