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Is America ready for a agnostic president?

Is America ready for a agnostic president?

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    Votes: 4 12.1%

  • Yes, America is ready for an agnostic

    Votes: 19 57.6%

  • No, America isn't ready for an agnostic

    Votes: 10 30.3%
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Bernie is supposed to be an agnostic. He'll be the first agnostic president.

Is America ready for a agnostic president?
 
I think this is one of those big generational divides. Speaking as an under 45, absolutely. It isn't even a real question.
 
Yes, of course. The President is supposed to govern and lead the country, represent all of the people. I don't see the value of religion, the President just should honor their oath of office, be patriotic, be fair, be mature and intelligent and do what's best for the country. I don't care what religion they practice or if they practice any, not voting here for a bible study teacher or preacher. Keep religion out of politics.
 
MrPeanut said:
I think this is one of those big generational divides. Speaking as an under 45, absolutely. It isn't even a real question.
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Speaking as an over 60, I agree.
 
I am agnostic, and the answer is still no.

Way too much of the voter pool operates under the illusion that an imaginary friend "blesses them" when things are going well and "has a plan" when going not so well, either way the suspension of intellect and critical thought is applied. And worse, they expect their representation to be operating under the same ideas.
 
Old 'N Chill said:
Yes, of course. The President is supposed to govern and lead the country, represent all of the people. I don't see the value of religion, the President just should honor their oath of office, be patriotic, be fair, be mature and intelligent and do what's best for the country. I don't care what religion they practice or if they practice any, not voting here for a bible study teacher or preacher. Keep religion out of politics.[/QUOTE] Acquitted for life!!!!
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Sounds like a great way to separate church and state

Religious zealot of every stripe ars dangerous

Why christians believe theirs is the only religion and the bible is the word of god is beyond rational belief
 
Old 'N Chill said:
Yes, of course. The President is supposed to govern and lead the country, represent all of the people. I don't see the value of religion, the President just should honor their oath of office, be patriotic, be fair, be mature and intelligent and do what's best for the country. I don't care what religion they practice or if they practice any, not voting here for a bible study teacher or preacher. Keep religion out of politics.
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I'm a Christian , and I agree with your post respect other religions be fair. However keep religion out of politics. The freedom to worship is one of America's basic freedoms.
I do not push my religion on others why would I ask the leader of America that I voted for to.:peace
 
swing_voter said:
Bernie is supposed to be an agnostic. He'll be the first agnostic president.

Is America ready for a agnostic president?
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I dunno about America, but I sure am.
 
Absolutely not. Atheists and Agnostics will vote for the better person, no matter what the individual believes, regarding spirituality.
Most religious people (in America), follow the herd and go for the Bible-Thumpers...or Bible Trumpers, if you prefer.
 
swing_voter said:
Bernie is supposed to be an agnostic. He'll be the first agnostic president.

Is America ready for a agnostic president?
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I think since JFK the religion aspect has been put to bed so to speak. Now an atheist might be different. But if Trump is able to tie or portray Sanders as a socialist, that would in my opinion be more damaging than being an agnostic. That is if Gallup's poll is to be believed.

Socialism and Atheism Still U.S. Political Liabilities

It's the socialist label that could cause Sanders the independent vote. From the article, "The views of political independents fall midway between those of Republicans and Democrats for several candidate types -- including socialists, with less than half of independents saying they would vote for such a person."

Perhaps the bottom line isn't religion or lack of religion, but the word socialist when it comes to winning independents. Historical averages shows 90% of those who identify themselves as Republicans and Democrats will vote for their party's candidate regardless of who he is, what religion or not, but only 45% of all independents would vote for a socialist. It will all depend on how successful Trump is at getting independents to believe Sanders is a socialist. Which might not be that hard as Sanders himself is a self described Democratic Socialist. Time will tell, but religion has basically become a none to a little bit of a factor.
 
Nap said:
Didn't Bernie just run an ad about being Jewish?
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There's Jewish as in the religion and then there's Jewish as in the ethnic group. Bernie is the latter.

Wow, I don't know if being a religious Jew is a positive or negative. My guess it would be a positive but not as good as being a Christian.
 
swing_voter said:
There's Jewish as in the religion and then there's Jewish as in the ethnic group. Bernie is the latter.

Wow, I don't know if being a religious Jew is a positive or negative. My guess it would be a positive but not as good as being a Christian.
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So he is half Jewish?
 
swing_voter said:
Bernie is supposed to be an agnostic. He'll be the first agnostic president.

Is America ready for a agnostic president?
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Didn't like your poll answers so I didn't vote. I think the better question is, "Is America ready for a Democratic Socialist President"? I don't think they really care whether Bernie is agnostic or not.
 
swing_voter said:
Bernie is supposed to be an agnostic. He'll be the first agnostic president.

Is America ready for an agnostic president?
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It is well-known Bernie Sanders is JEWISH. Where did you get "agnostic" from?
 
swing_voter said:
There's Jewish as in the religion and then there's Jewish as in the ethnic group. Bernie is the latter.

Wow, I don't know if being a religious Jew is a positive or negative. My guess it would be a positive but not as good as being a Christian.
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Bernie Sanders was born into a Jewish family in Brooklyn. That would make his religion Judaism too.
 
Perotista said:
I think since JFK the religion aspect has been put to bed so to speak. Now an atheist might be different. But if Trump is able to tie or portray Sanders as a socialist, that would in my opinion be more damaging than being an agnostic. That is if Gallup's poll is to be believed.

Socialism and Atheism Still U.S. Political Liabilities

It's the socialist label that could cause Sanders the independent vote. From the article, "The views of political independents fall midway between those of Republicans and Democrats for several candidate types -- including socialists, with less than half of independents saying they would vote for such a person."

Perhaps the bottom line isn't religion or lack of religion, but the word socialist when it comes to winning independents. Historical averages shows 90% of those who identify themselves as Republicans and Democrats will vote for their party's candidate regardless of who he is, what religion or not, but only 45% of all independents would vote for a socialist. It will all depend on how successful Trump is at getting independents to believe Sanders is a socialist. Which might not be that hard as Sanders himself is a self described Democratic Socialist. Time will tell, but religion has basically become a none to a little bit of a factor.
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Might want to check how many Independent voters has already left the Trump base.

Most Independents pride themselves on being Independent a word that is too often taken for granted by both Republicans and sometimes Democrats but not this time.
Although Sanders is running on the Democratic ticket last I looked he was listed as one of the few Independent Senators:peace
 
swing_voter said:
There's Jewish as in the religion and then there's Jewish as in the ethnic group. Bernie is the latter.

Wow, I don't know if being a religious Jew is a positive or negative. My guess it would be a positive but not as good as being a Christian.
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Well, I'm a Christian .

I don't know about that ?

Maybe we should ask God??:peace
 
presluc said:
Might want to check how many Independent voters has already left the Trump base.

Most Independents pride themselves on being Independent a word that is too often taken for granted by both Republicans and sometimes Democrats but not this time.
Although Sanders is running on the Democratic ticket last I looked he was listed as one of the few Independent Senators:peace
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Yes, Sanders is listed as an independent. But there is only one Democratic senator that has voted the Democratic party line more than Sanders has. He's not a true independent and never has been. He has caucused with the democrats whereas a true independent wouldn't have. My opinion on that anyway. Sanders became a Democrat in 2015 to run for their party's nomination and immediately after the 2016 general election, reregistered once more as an independent. But as of last year, Sanders became a Democrat once again signing a pledge stating he is a Democrat.

Sen. Bernie Sanders signs pledge declaring he's a Democrat for 2020

I think how independents vote will be determined by who the Democrats nominate. Go to question 79. Generic Presidential Vote - If the election for president were held today with Donald Trump as the Republican running against a Democratic Party candidate, who would you vote for?

It's not the number for nor against Trump that catches my attention. It is the "It depends," 18% of independents are in the "It Depends," category. I read this as them saying their vote depends on who is the Democratic nominee. You might have a different take, if so, I'd like to hear it.

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/79zfxkws33/econTabReport.pdf

Drop down to question 113. Trump Likability - Regardless of whether you agree with him, do you like or dislike Donald Trump as a person? 15% of independents state they neither like nor dislike Trump. That's close to the 18% who state, "It Depends." I think these independents are up for grabs. Overall, I think these independents could end up voting for Trump, voting for the democrat or as in 2016 when 12% of independents voted third party against both Trump and Clinton, they could vote third party once again.

I've always said that if the Democrats nominate a candidate attractive to independents, they'll win in a landslide. Nominate a candidate as disliked or disliked more than Trump by independents, another 2016 is certainly possible. I still stand by that.
 
Perotista said:
Yes, Sanders is listed as an independent. But there is only one Democratic senator that has voted the Democratic party line more than Sanders has. He's not a true independent and never has been. He has caucused with the democrats whereas a true independent wouldn't have. My opinion on that anyway. Sanders became a Democrat in 2015 to run for their party's nomination and immediately after the 2016 general election, reregistered once more as an independent. But as of last year, Sanders became a Democrat once again signing a pledge stating he is a Democrat.

Sen. Bernie Sanders signs pledge declaring he's a Democrat for 2020

I think how independents vote will be determined by who the Democrats nominate. Go to question 79. Generic Presidential Vote - If the election for president were held today with Donald Trump as the Republican running against a Democratic Party candidate, who would you vote for?

It's not the number for nor against Trump that catches my attention. It is the "It depends," 18% of independents are in the "It Depends," category. I read this as them saying their vote depends on who is the Democratic nominee. You might have a different take, if so, I'd like to hear it.

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/79zfxkws33/econTabReport.pdf

Drop down to question 113. Trump Likability - Regardless of whether you agree with him, do you like or dislike Donald Trump as a person? 15% of independents state they neither like nor dislike Trump. That's close to the 18% who state, "It Depends." I think these independents are up for grabs. Overall, I think these independents could end up voting for Trump, voting for the democrat or as in 2016 when 12% of independents voted third party against both Trump and Clinton, they could vote third party once again.

I've always said that if the Democrats nominate a candidate attractive to independents, they'll win in a landslide. Nominate a candidate as disliked or disliked more than Trump by independents, another 2016 is certainly possible. I still stand by that.
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First of all I just wrote what I know Sanders is listed as an Independent fact.

How he votes who he votes for is his business is it not , I mean Ron Paul's Libertarian party with a big L or is it little l , I'm sure Ron Paul voted for who he wanted to. stood by his political convictions they just happen to be right wing conservative Republican convictions..

I think you are definitely a right winger no other political party would ever consider taking the Independent vote for granted.
First of all more than just a few Independents left the Trump voter base.
That isn't the point though Democrats say there was quite a few , Republicans say nah, not that many.
Democrats already know why.
Republicans didn't even ask probably sitting around saying they never was dependable anyway or they don't understand what President Trump is trying to do for America?

I understand likability don't really care for it understand it I didn't much care for Clinton his personal life whitewater ect was a mess.
However running America he made 2 mistakes 1. NAFTA. 2. he should have gone after Bin Laden
It seems like you right wingers as well as some Democrats had a change of heart on NAFTA when Clinton came out with it a huge majority of Republicans didn't like it.
Now they do , as for me I say it was a piece of **** when Clinton put it though, it's a piece of **** today.

Nobody can foretell anyone's future , that is unless you know the AG.

Seriously, I don't know who the Democratic nominee will be so it's a little early to predict who will win the presidency
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I will say this if I was running the campaign of any Democratic nominee I would tell them as soon as you win the nomination take of the gloves..
Some people are complaining about what they call "Bernie bros" from the Sanders campaign seems they got a little testy with some enemies of Sanders.
Sanders statement "those that support me know who I am and what I stand for, I am against bullying , however I don't expect my people to lay down for others either.":peace
 
presluc said:
First of all I just wrote what I know Sanders is listed as an Independent fact.

How he votes who he votes for is his business is it not , I mean Ron Paul's Libertarian party with a big L or is it little l , I'm sure Ron Paul voted for who he wanted to. stood by his political convictions they just happen to be right wing conservative Republican convictions..

I think you are definitely a right winger no other political party would ever consider taking the Independent vote for granted.
First of all more than just a few Independents left the Trump voter base.
That isn't the point though Democrats say there was quite a few , Republicans say nah, not that many.
Democrats already know why.
Republicans didn't even ask probably sitting around saying they never was dependable anyway or they don't understand what President Trump is trying to do for America?

I understand likability don't really care for it understand it I didn't much care for Clinton his personal life whitewater ect was a mess.
However running America he made 2 mistakes 1. NAFTA. 2. he should have gone after Bin Laden
It seems like you right wingers as well as some Democrats had a change of heart on NAFTA when Clinton came out with it a huge majority of Republicans didn't like it.
Now they do , as for me I say it was a piece of **** when Clinton put it though, it's a piece of **** today.

Nobody can foretell anyone's future , that is unless you know the AG.

Seriously, I don't know who the Democratic nominee will be so it's a little early to predict who will win the presidency
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I will say this if I was running the campaign of any Democratic nominee I would tell them as soon as you win the nomination take of the gloves..
Some people are complaining about what they call "Bernie bros" from the Sanders campaign seems they got a little testy with some enemies of Sanders.
Sanders statement "those that support me know who I am and what I stand for, I am against bullying , however I don't expect my people to lay down for others either.":peace
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It's been a very long time since I was called a right winger. I go by the numbers. I let the numbers do the talking and I relate or pass on what the numbers tell me. I don't have a horse in this race. Whether or not Sanders is an independent is kind of irrelevant when it comes to his votes in the the Senate. Only Schumer has voted the Democratic party line more often than Sanders. That in my opinion makes him the number two Democrat. Now there is this, so perhaps he is both, an independent and a Democrat. It may as simple as when Sanders is running for the Democratic nomination, he's a democrat. when he runs for the Vermont senate seat, he's an independent.

Sanders's campaigns for the Democratic Party's presidential nomination have created some controversy about his affiliation. On the 2016 campaign trail, he affirmed that he was a Democrat running for the Democratic nomination.[341] But both his Senate website and press materials continued to label him as an "independent" during and after the campaign.[342][343] In October 2017, Sanders said he would run for reelection as an independent in 2018 though he was pressured to run as a Democrat.[354] His party status became ambiguous once again in March 2019 when he signed a formal "loyalty pledge" to the Democratic Party stating that he is a member of the party and will serve as a Democrat if elected president. He signed the pledge the day after he signed paperwork to run as an independent for reelection to the Senate in 2024.[1]

Bernie Sanders - Wikipedia

I'm sort of old fashioned here. I'd expect an independent to be independent. Not tied to one or the other party. A voting record that at least shows some votes for the other party's legislation.

Independents by nature are finicky. They aren't like us political junkies who post on this site. For the most part they don't follow politics, at least in the day to day manner we do. A lot don't make up their minds who they will vote for until a couple of weeks from the election. They view presidential elections as beauty contests. The candidate they like best is usually the one they vote for. Most of the time it is the candidate with the most charisma and yes, likability. Usually one doesn't vote for a candidate they don't like.
 
Perotista said:
It's been a very long time since I was called a right winger. I go by the numbers. I let the numbers do the talking and I relate or pass on what the numbers tell me. I don't have a horse in this race. Whether or not Sanders is an independent is kind of irrelevant when it comes to his votes in the the Senate. Only Schumer has voted the Democratic party line more often than Sanders. That in my opinion makes him the number two Democrat. Now there is this, so perhaps he is both, an independent and a Democrat. It may as simple as when Sanders is running for the Democratic nomination, he's a democrat. when he runs for the Vermont senate seat, he's an independent.

Sanders's campaigns for the Democratic Party's presidential nomination have created some controversy about his affiliation. On the 2016 campaign trail, he affirmed that he was a Democrat running for the Democratic nomination.[341] But both his Senate website and press materials continued to label him as an "independent" during and after the campaign.[342][343] In October 2017, Sanders said he would run for reelection as an independent in 2018 though he was pressured to run as a Democrat.[354] His party status became ambiguous once again in March 2019 when he signed a formal "loyalty pledge" to the Democratic Party stating that he is a member of the party and will serve as a Democrat if elected president. He signed the pledge the day after he signed paperwork to run as an independent for reelection to the Senate in 2024.[1]

Bernie Sanders - Wikipedia

I'm sort of old fashioned here. I'd expect an independent to be independent. Not tied to one or the other party. A voting record that at least shows some votes for the other party's legislation.

Independents by nature are finicky. They aren't like us political junkies who post on this site. For the most part they don't follow politics, at least in the day to day manner we do. A lot don't make up their minds who they will vote for until a couple of weeks from the election. They view presidential elections as beauty contests. The candidate they like best is usually the one they vote for. Most of the time it is the candidate with the most charisma and yes, likability. Usually one doesn't vote for a candidate they don't like.
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I too go by the numbers , actually I kinda like numbers , if you go back in time and check my voter registration you will find at one time I was a die hard Democrat.
I left the Democratic party in the middle of Obama's presidency, I criticised Obama's health care then and do now, and other things I criticised about Obama, not like the old monkey in the White House, muslims are in control of Obama , birth certificate in question these little gossip barbs I leave to the Right wing.
I criticise policies judgements that effect the American people .
Odd it worked with Obama not so much with Trump.?
It may be that the Trum... er Republican party needs to check with Trump before they make any decisions today, after all if you go against him you are gone if you displease him you might find yourself on Twitter.

Remember a president named Hoover kinda around the time of a depression see how that election went and how many voted against him.
Too far back maybe too drastic after all Hover was a Republican, very well , how about a president named Carter gas prices went up , Iran hostages ;a lot of bad things everybody including yours truly knew he wasn't going to win against a has been movie star named Reagan .did they vote for Reagan or against Carter??>

Independents pay more attention than you think another Right wing fault as I said before assuming the Independents do this or assuming the Independents do that.
One thing the Independents do whether they lean right or left or down the middle if we see something we think is wrong we say so, now the Democrats ain't to jumpy when they get criticised, the Republicans as long as you are criticising Democrats are just fine question a Republican leader or policy well that's different.
I can not speak for other Independents but for me I keep hearing this we're tough from the Republican right wing but a little interrogative sentence a little constructive criticism you guys come apart at the seems

Perhaps , just a wild guess here, but maybe, just maybe Independents really vote for the candidate that would do the best for all America and all the American people:peace
 
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