Active shooter drills in schools. Good or bad?

Phys251 · Feb 22, 2020

Luther said:
Some already do

I don't know if they're all military?

If you believe that teachers need to have literal military tactics just to teach a class of students, then I expect you to open up your wallet and pay for those training programs.

And if you think that children need to do the same, then I guess the next logical step for you is to support child solders, because that's basically what you're advocating for. :shrug:

You bet I do!

And there it is. You clearly have no clue what you're talking about, nor why teacher turnover has reached the crisis level. :lol:

Josie · Feb 22, 2020

Luther said:
Security guards that have to be paid by Joe Tax payer (More/larger Gov) ? When we have a staff that's already there. We just have to train and arm them

No, they don’t have to be paid through taxation. However, I’m not opposed to states choosing that for their districts.

No, I believe that was Parkland Fl?

Yes, that’s right. He should’ve been institutionalized too.

You crack me up! You forgot I have been working at a school going on 16 years this spring. Let see, prop back doors open?

If your school has idiot staff still propping doors open then that obviously needs to be resolved.

What about during recess? Usually there are open doors for kids to go to the restroom right? It's not like the duties can do anything right for they're NOT armed?

We don’t have any open or unlocked doors. And any school that does is ticking time bomb.

Josie · Feb 22, 2020

Luther said:
What if this Armed security you speak of is way on the other side of the school?

A lot can happen in a minute

You can “what if” until you’re blue in the face. It doesn’t change the fact that students need to rehearse what exactly they do in a hard lockdown situation. It doesn’t change the fact that all outside doors should remain locked and closed. Actually, all of our classroom doors are always locked too.

Luther · Feb 22, 2020

Josie said:
No, they don’t have to be paid through taxation. However, I’m not opposed to states choosing that for their districts.

Yes, that’s right. He should’ve been institutionalized too.

If your school has idiot staff still propping doors open then that obviously needs to be resolved.

We don’t have any open or unlocked doors. And any school that does is ticking time bomb.

No, they don’t have to be paid through taxation

And how will they be paid?

No, I believe that was Parkland Fl?
Yes, that’s right. He should’ve been institutionalized too.

Either way Josie, that was a large High school with separate buildings. The secretly guard was.t even close where the action started

We don’t have any open or unlocked doors. And any school that does is ticking time bomb.

So you have no restroom use during recess?

Josie · Feb 22, 2020

Luther said:
And how will they be paid?

Private security if anyone’s willing to pay or state taxes.

So you have no restroom use during recess?

Teachers have access to all doors.

Luther · Feb 22, 2020

Josie said:
You can “what if” until you’re blue in the face. It doesn’t change the fact that students need to rehearse what exactly they do in a hard lockdown situation. It doesn’t change the fact that all outside doors should remain locked and closed. Actually, all of our classroom doors are always locked too.

You can “what if” until you’re blue in the face. It doesn’t change the fact that students need to rehearse what exactly they do in a hard lockdown situation.

That's one way of avoiding my point I guess

Also, look, we both have students safety in mind. Something in common

Josie · Feb 22, 2020

Luther said:
That's one way of avoiding my point I guess

Also, look, we both have students safety in mind. Something in common

You don’t. You think there should be no security at any door and students shouldn’t be trained on what to do in a hard lockdown situation.

Integrityrespec · Feb 22, 2020

swing_voter said:
Do you think schools should teach students, some as young as 5, what to do if there's an active shooter?

It's just stupid to say we shouldn't prepare for what could happen. I guess we don't need to do tornado drills or fire drills in schools either. Go pet a puppy!

Luther · Feb 22, 2020

Josie said:
Private security if anyone’s willing to pay or state taxes.

Teachers have access to all doors.

Private security if anyone’s willing to pay or state taxes.

so sounds to me we're still using tax dollars. My point was that you're libertarian?

Teachers have access to all doors.

Man, so that means to me someone has to just stand there at the door opening and closing for a lot of kids?

Also, what about the vulnerability of outside recess to begin with? The duties are not armed?

Josie · Feb 22, 2020

Luther said:
so sounds to me we're still using tax dollars. My point was that you're libertarian?

Not all libertarians are against all taxes.

Man, so that means to me someone has to just stand there at the door opening and closing for a lot of kids?

No, it means opening the door once or twice.

Luther · Feb 22, 2020

Josie said:
You don’t. You think there should be no security at any door and students shouldn’t be trained on what to do in a hard lockdown situation.

Not without this

Very important to understand

https://idahonews.com/news/local/the-garden-valley-school-gun-policy-5-years-later

Josie · Feb 22, 2020

Phys251 said:
So you expect teachers and children to practice military tactics. Got it.

Let me guess, you think teachers are paid too much already. :roll:

Some are. Some aren’t paid enough.

Luther · Feb 22, 2020

Josie said:
Not all libertarians are against all taxes.

No, it means opening the door once or twice.

Not all libertarians are against all taxes.

I see, so you're kinda like a RINO when comparing a conservative?

No, it means opening the door once or twice.

I'm not talking classroom recess. I'm talking about after lunch recess

Do you have that?

Luther · Feb 22, 2020

Josie said:
Not all libertarians are against all taxes.

No, it means opening the door once or twice.

My butt is hurting Josie

Have a good day

We both have students safety in mind

Josie · Feb 22, 2020

Luther said:
I see, so you're kinda like a RINO when comparing a conservative?

I’m exactly what my lean says.

I'm not talking classroom recess. I'm talking about after lunch recess

Do you have that?

:roll:

You don’t have hoards of kids asking to go to the bathroom at recess. They go before coming outside or after.

jet57 · Feb 22, 2020

swing_voter said:
Do you think schools should teach students, some as young as 5, what to do if there's an active shooter?

They have become an unfortunate necessity because of the second amendment crowd and their BS about assault rifles that are common place in these mass shootings.

Josie · Feb 22, 2020

jet57 said:
They have become an unfortunate necessity because of the second amendment crowd and their BS about assault rifles that are common place in these mass shootings.

No, they are a necessity because we don’t have a sufficient mental health system that will institutionalize these mentally ill people who choose to use weapons to kill a mass of people. No gun law will stop them.

jet57 · Feb 22, 2020

Josie said:
No, they are a necessity because we don’t have a sufficient mental health system that will institutionalize these mentally ill people who choose to use weapons to kill a mass of people. No gun law will stop them.

Wrong: such weaponry does NOT belong on the streets and THAT'S why we are suffering such devastating events. We're not getting poison or bombing attacks. Nobody's running into schools with trucks cars or tanks. These individuals are using heavy weaponry to shoot up schools and other places because said weapons are available, easy to get, inexpensive and easy to conceal. I don't remember ANY such shootings that showed that the shooter had a known record of mental instability and was on a watch list, therefore unable to acquire the weapons of choice. You and the rest of the far right are using a convenient out argument that shifts blame and solves nothing. Yet if a sick person murders to children in cold blood with his hands, he or she should just be executed...

Kreton · Feb 22, 2020

Luther said:
And what if these "protocols" are really just vain?

Then there is no harm. Kids know what is happening around the country. To pretend that they only reason they might be worried is due to a rehearsed drill is silly. An active shooter has never breached a properly secured classroom that I have ever heard. Having these kids know where to go and how to act in the rare case it happens will save lives.

Bodi · Feb 22, 2020

Luther said:
Yes, it's all for the children(Emotion)

Just like we throw Billion upon Billions at our 17th in the world at best, Education

The education system is 17th for very good reasons... illegal immigrants. Not having English as the first language. Gangs. Third world problems in major cities. Types of problems that most of the other countries ahead of the US don't face in inner city. Denmark . Finland. Singapore. South Korea. Lichtenstein. Switzerland. Norway. Iceland. Etcetera. Most of these countries have a single language. Most of these countries do not have huge inner-city problems like the US does. If you go to middle class America you find excellent education and that is what they're trying to do in lower socioeconomic areas as well it just doesn't work due to the clientele.

TurtleDude · Feb 22, 2020

jet57 said:
They have become an unfortunate necessity because of the second amendment crowd and their BS about assault rifles that are common place in these mass shootings.

you are lying yet again-there has never been a mass shooting in the USA that was facilitated by someone using a legally owned assault rifle. Indeed, there is not a single murder in US history that was perpetrated by a private citizen using a legally owned assault rifle.

TurtleDude · Feb 22, 2020

jet57 said:
Wrong: such weaponry does NOT belong on the streets and THAT'S why we are suffering such devastating events. We're not getting poison or bombing attacks. Nobody's running into schools with trucks cars or tanks. These individuals are using heavy weaponry to shoot up schools and other places because said weapons are available, easy to get, inexpensive and easy to conceal. I don't remember ANY such shootings that showed that the shooter had a known record of mental instability and was on a watch list, therefore unable to acquire the weapons of choice. You and the rest of the far right are using a convenient out argument that shifts blame and solves nothing. Yet if a sick person murders to children in cold blood with his hands, he or she should just be executed...

yet another blatant Jet lie. Semi auto sporting rifles are not "heavy weaponry"

Luther · Feb 23, 2020

Phys251 said:
If you believe that teachers need to have literal military tactics just to teach a class of students, then I expect you to open up your wallet and pay for those training programs.

And if you think that children need to do the same, then I guess the next logical step for you is to support child solders, because that's basically what you're advocating for. :shrug:

And there it is. You clearly have no clue what you're talking about, nor why teacher turnover has reached the crisis level. :lol:

If you believe that teachers need to have literal military tactics just to teach a class of students, then I expect you to open up your wallet and pay for those training programs

.

First, nice spin on your wording and fear mongering use of military tactics
2nd, I expect you to open your wallet and pay for vain security guards/SRO's that we have now

And there it is. You clearly have no clue what you're talking about, nor why teacher turnover has reached the crisis level

Are you sure? Did you not know we're 17th in the world in education or something?

*sigh*

Luther · Feb 23, 2020

Josie said:
You don’t. You think there should be no security at any door and students shouldn’t be trained on what to do in a hard lockdown situation.

So you expect a security guard at every school outside door during the whole duration of school?$$$$$$$$$$(LOL)

Just wow!

Luther · Feb 23, 2020

Josie said:
I’m exactly what my lean says.

:roll:

You don’t have hoards of kids asking to go to the bathroom at recess. They go before coming outside or after.

Sure Josie

You must think I was born yesterday(LOL)

Active shooter drills in schools. Good or bad?

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Yes, active shooter drills save lives

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