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Who can beat Trump?

Who can beat Trump? (In 2020 presidential election)

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Blue Donkey said:
You are not talking about the same thing I was. I specifically named Donald Trump for a reason.
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So was I. Be careful about shredding the Constitution over one douchebag because, if you do, you could easily end up with an even more powerful douchebag in the future.
 
Oborosen said:
Given the accuracy of earlier claims against his party. I highly doubt much like that will come to pass.
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Thanks for confirming "his party" meaning the Republican Party has been replaced by the Party of Trump. I'm not so sure, but time will tell.
 
Blue Donkey said:
It is completelhy relevant toward demonstrating Donald Trump was already very unpopular long before he took office.
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With who...progressives, liberal or just plain old democrats. Check out the Trump rallies crowd size. Did you know that Trump got more of the popular vote in the recent Iowa and NH primaries than any other incumbent (republican or democrat) in recent history?

Trump Won New Hampshire Primary By More Votes Than Any Incumbent President – We Love Trump
 
mrjurrs said:
That's true, but can you tell me why the votes of 3 million rural voters are of greater value then the vote of 3 million urban voters?
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Easy answer...because it give those voters a say in the election that they wouldn't have if only voters in California counted. That is why the US Constitution matters.
 
antiquity said:
Easy answer...because it give those voters a say in the election that they wouldn't have if only voters in California counted. That is why the US Constitution matters.
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You didn't answer the question. Why do the votes of 3 million rural voters count more than the vote of 3 million urban voters? By the way, that's not why the EC is in the Constitution./
 
Royal PITA said:
Thanks for confirming "his party" meaning the Republican Party has been replaced by the Party of Trump. I'm not so sure, but time will tell.
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Now you're desperate enough to put words in my mouth.

So unless it's Oreos, you can stop.
 
mrjurrs said:
You didn't answer the question. Why do the votes of 3 million rural voters count more than the vote of 3 million urban voters? By the way, that's not why the EC is in the Constitution./
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The Electoral College was meant to help keep the majority, from overpowering the minority. That's it.
 
The Mark said:
Which of the listed potential Democratic candidates do you think can beat Trump in the 2020 presidential election?

Feel free to provide reasons, but if you just go with a gut feeling of sorts that's fine too.

Edit:
I listed the top 8 candidates in descending order of polling numbers according to the RCP national average, less Yang, who dropped out.
RealClearPolitics - Election 2020 - 2020 Democratic Presidential Nomination
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Democrats are too strong now. All of them are capable to beat Trump, the key-point is to consolidate the people
 
If this stay as they are today Trump will easily win reelection in 2020.
 
Common Sense 1 said:
What?
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If you have high turnout, there are more Democratic voters nationwide than Republican ones. Trump only won because he ran against a terrible candidate. He won with a lower percentage of the vote than what Romney lost with just 4 years earlier.

Furthermore, Trump has never even reached 50% support. This is despite a good economy. Any other president right now would be in the 60s in terms of approval ratings, not still sitting in the low to mid 40s on average (and don't cherry pick some outlier poll, the fact is, when you average the polls he has never gotten out of the low 40s).

Frankly, it's because a little more than half of Americans see Trump as a despicable human being. If the Democrats can run someone that inspires their base to turn out, Trump will lose. The question is whether any of the candidates can do that.
 
mrjurrs said:
You didn't answer the question. Why do the votes of 3 million rural voters count more than the vote of 3 million urban voters? By the way, that's not why the EC is in the Constitution./
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Of course I answered the question..you just didn't want accept the answer. So why did the founding fathers put the EC in the Constitution? Just for how I answered your question... Two reasons....one, so a few large states can't dominate the elections. If it was just voters in California and New York who would dominate because of their larger population there would be no need for candidates to campaign in the other 48 states. Essentially shutting the voices in those other 48 states out.
And secondly, the EC was a compromise by the Constitutional convention. It was agreement between those who wanted the Congress to pick the president or those who wanted a vote by the people...Their compromise is known as the Electoral College. It has worked for over 230 years and won't be changed because of a bunch of sore losers can't get over being on the losing side.
 
antiquity said:
Of course I answered the question..you just didn't want accept the answer. So why did the founding fathers put the EC in the Constitution? Just for how I answered your question... Two reasons....one, so a few large states can't dominate the elections. If it was just voters in California and New York who would dominate because of their larger population there would be no need for candidates to campaign in the other 48 states. Essentially shutting the voices in those other 48 states out.
And secondly, the EC was a compromise by the Constitutional convention. It was agreement between those who wanted the Congress to pick the president or those who wanted a vote by the people...Their compromise is known as the Electoral College. It has worked for over 230 years and won't be changed because of a bunch of sore losers can't get over being on the losing side.
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Don't know much about the Constitution do you? The EC in the Constitution didn't last 15 years. It has been changed, and it will be changed again.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
If you have high turnout, there are more Democratic voters nationwide than Republican ones. Trump only won because he ran against a terrible candidate. He won with a lower percentage of the vote than what Romney lost with just 4 years earlier.

Furthermore, Trump has never even reached 50% support. This is despite a good economy. Any other president right now would be in the 60s in terms of approval ratings, not still sitting in the low to mid 40s on average (and don't cherry pick some outlier poll, the fact is, when you average the polls he has never gotten out of the low 40s).

Frankly, it's because a little more than half of Americans see Trump as a despicable human being. If the Democrats can run someone that inspires their base to turn out, Trump will lose. The question is whether any of the candidates can do that.
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First of all, recent polls show Republicans now outnumber Democrats by 3 percent. However, independents will determine the election. They outnumber both parties. They are also leaning toward Trump by over a 30% edge. Second, you are right about Trump running against a terrible candidate. The problem with this is they don't have a better one now. Bernie the Socialist is the heavy favorite now. No one who is not far left will vote for him. Trump will win by a landslide.

The poll ratings that count are Trump is polling at 94% among Republican voters. No Democrat is anywhere close to that. Polls also show Trump is over 30% with Blacks and Latinos. That is bad news for the Dems.

Actually this clip from the Gallop poll says it all.

Trump's approval rating has risen because of higher ratings among both Republicans and independents. His 94% approval rating among Republicans is up six percentage points from early January and is three points higher than his previous best among his fellow partisans. The 42% approval rating among independents is up five points, and ties three other polls as his best among that group. Democratic approval is 7%, down slightly from 10%.

The 87-point gap between Republican and Democratic approval in the current poll is the largest Gallup has measured in any Gallup poll to date, surpassing the prior record, held by Trump and Barack Obama, by one point.
 
BahamaBob said:
First of all, recent polls show Republicans now outnumber Democrats by 3 percent. However, independents will determine the election. They outnumber both parties. They are also leaning toward Trump by over a 30% edge. Second, you are right about Trump running against a terrible candidate. The problem with this is they don't have a better one now. Bernie the Socialist is the heavy favorite now. No one who is not far left will vote for him. Trump will win by a landslide.

The poll ratings that count are Trump is polling at 94% among Republican voters. No Democrat is anywhere close to that. Polls also show Trump is over 30% with Blacks and Latinos. That is bad news for the Dems.

Actually this clip from the Gallop poll says it all.

Trump's approval rating has risen because of higher ratings among both Republicans and independents. His 94% approval rating among Republicans is up six percentage points from early January and is three points higher than his previous best among his fellow partisans. The 42% approval rating among independents is up five points, and ties three other polls as his best among that group. Democratic approval is 7%, down slightly from 10%.

The 87-point gap between Republican and Democratic approval in the current poll is the largest Gallup has measured in any Gallup poll to date, surpassing the prior record, held by Trump and Barack Obama, by one point.
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I will kiss your ass and mine twice if anything close to 30% of blacks and hispanics vote for Trump. You have to be totally delusional to believe that.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Ummm....Trump got 29% of the Hispanic vote last time, the best R presidential showing in a long time...

Another election surprise: Many Hispanics backed Trump
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The best Republican showing in 2 elections. Bush beat that by a long shot. Moreover, it depends on how you measure Hispanics, by some measurements, he only got 20% (Hispanic is a much fuzzier demographic description than say black is). The fact remains, Trump won because he ran against a terrible candidate. Trump won with a lower percentage of the vote than what Romney lost with just 4 years earlier. Think about that, Trump has never even been as popular as past losing candidates. Now given the current crop of Democratic candidates, he may well win reelection, but it won't be due to be him being popular and well liked.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
The best Republican showing in 2 elections. Bush beat that by a long shot. Moreover, it depends on how you measure Hispanics, by some measurements, he only got 20% (Hispanic is a much fuzzier demographic description than say black is). The fact remains, Trump won because he ran against a terrible candidate. Trump won with a lower percentage of the vote than what Romney lost with just 4 years earlier. Think about that, Trump has never even been as popular as past losing candidates. Now given the current crop of Democratic candidates, he may well win reelection, but it won't be due to be him being popular and well liked.
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Do you dispute the claim that Hispanics tend to like Trump, which is of course the opposite of what their minders the Hispanic Political Pressure Groups claim, and that most of your fellow citizens on the left are too ignorant to know about this , and they are likewise too ignorant to know that it is very highly likely that Trump does better with Hispanics this time?
 
Royal PITA said:
What words are you falsely claiming I put in your mouth? Please cite the post(s) in context.
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177 You're welcome.

It's also rather laughable that you'll ask for "context" when you usually throw that out the window.
 
Oborosen said:
177 You're welcome.

It's also rather laughable that you'll ask for "context" when you usually throw that out the window.
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Are you denying you and I were discussing the Party of Trump and you responded "his party" like he owned it? Should I quote it for you or do you recall your own statement? ....or do you really think Trump is a staunch, traditional Republican like Barry Goldwater or Ronald Reagan.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Do you dispute the claim that Hispanics tend to like Trump, which is of course the opposite of what their minders the Hispanic Political Pressure Groups claim, and that most of your fellow citizens on the left are too ignorant to know about this , and they are likewise too ignorant to know that it is very highly likely that Trump does better with Hispanics this time?
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He got between 2 and 3 out of 10 Hispanics that vote for him in 2016. Bush got nearly half of Hispanics to vote for him.
 
Danny78 said:
Democrats are too strong now. All of them are capable to beat Trump, the key-point is to consolidate the people
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I think Bloomberg or Biden would lose to Trump.

The rest have varying degrees of chances to beat Trump.
 
Who can beat Trump

Answer:

Jesus

:)
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
The best Republican showing in 2 elections. Bush beat that by a long shot. Moreover, it depends on how you measure Hispanics, by some measurements, he only got 20% (Hispanic is a much fuzzier demographic description than say black is). The fact remains, Trump won because he ran against a terrible candidate. Trump won with a lower percentage of the vote than what Romney lost with just 4 years earlier. Think about that, Trump has never even been as popular as past losing candidates. Now given the current crop of Democratic candidates, he may well win reelection, but it won't be due to be him being popular and well liked.
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Your facts are askew. The Clintons were very popular with Black Voters. 88% of Black Voters voted for Clinton. None of the current Democratic candidates have much traction with the Black Community.
 
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