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Who can beat Trump?

Who can beat Trump? (In 2020 presidential election)

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Paradoxical said:
It's gonna be Bloomberg with Hellery as his running mate. Write this down and tell your pals you heard it here.
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Wanna make a bet on that?
 
washunut said:
For an 'independent" you seem to ignore the true independent vote which truly decides presidential elections,along with turnout.
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There are no independents. Studies have found that those that claim to be independent often have more partisan voting records than those that identify with a political party. Everything is about turnout.

The only swing votes are those that tend to be less politically engaged.
 
washunut said:
Hate to bring logic to this discussion but here goes. What percent of likely voters would you say are "on his side". We know that trump won by a tiny percent in a few key states that Hillary did a poor job in. That also includes the folks who were ticked off that Bernie got cheated out of the nomination by the DNC in 2016.

At the end of the day, policies are what will matter for those not tied to one party or the other. Trump in addition has essentially a boat anchor tied to him due to his crass nature that many did not expect of him as president.

Democrats almost have to work to lose a presidential election in the early part of the 21st century. Not sure they can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory again in 2020.
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You are wrong. Trump is more likely to win at this point than lose. Don't underestimate his support, or the fact that his base's votes count for more than yours. Don't underestimate the hardships that people have to face to vote in cities than they do in red areas. The left was certain Hillary was going to win in 2016 and that confidence made alot of people stay home due to inconvenience and pure laziness. Trump is beatable, but it won't be easy and it surely isn't a case of snatching defeat from victory.
 
Kreton said:
There is no true independent vote with this type election. There is very very very few people in this country who are on the fence on whether or not they like Trump. Whether the election was held today, July, or November Trumps voters are Trumps voters. He has his base, they aren't moving.

This election is all about whether or not the left and the those who don't support Trump can unite to bring him down. It is also about whether or not the left can put someone forward who can motivate people to get up and vote and move the 3rd party voters to supporting their candidate.
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You seem to forget or prhaps never understood that elections are about choices. We don't get to vote for our favorite candidate. We get two choices for intents and purposes. So I reject your notion completely.

I will happily vote against Trump. That being said I will either vote third party or stay home if Bernie is the nominee.
 
Kreton said:
You are wrong. Trump is more likely to win at this point than lose. Don't underestimate his support, or the fact that his base's votes count for more than yours. Don't underestimate the hardships that people have to face to vote in cities than they do in red areas. The left was certain Hillary was going to win in 2016 and that confidence made alot of people stay home due to inconvenience and pure laziness. Trump is beatable, but it won't be easy and it surely isn't a case of snatching defeat from victory.
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Check the electoral map and get back to me.
 
washunut said:
You seem to forget or prhaps never understood that elections are about choices. We don't get to vote for our favorite candidate. We get two choices for intents and purposes. So I reject your notion completely.

I will happily vote against Trump. That being said I will either vote third party or stay home if Bernie is the nominee.
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So then if Bernie is the nominee you support Trump. You are exactly my point that you are trying so hard to argue against.
 
joko104 said:
Do you think Russians will trick you into voting for Trump again? That is your claim, isn't it?
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Huh? I was not tricked the first time. You are asking the wrong person that question.
 
Blue Donkey said:
Huh? I was not tricked the first time. You are asking the wrong person that question.
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You posted that Trump stole the election. How do you say he did that?
 
Kreton said:
So then if Bernie is the nominee you support Trump. You are exactly my point that you are trying so hard to argue against.
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Where did I say I would support Trump??? I care too much for the well-being of my child to vote for bernie.
 
Kreton said:
You are wrong. Trump is more likely to win at this point than lose. Don't underestimate his support, or the fact that his base's votes count for more than yours. Don't underestimate the hardships that people have to face to vote in cities than they do in red areas. The left was certain Hillary was going to win in 2016 and that confidence made alot of people stay home due to inconvenience and pure laziness. Trump is beatable, but it won't be easy and it surely isn't a case of snatching defeat from victory.
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You do realize all votes count equally, correct? And that Trump haters can vote absentee? Can't people who expect Trump to win stay nome? I am sure everything you said goes both ways. Give us a reason it is impossible for only the left side to be unable to vote for its nominee and have too much optmism to think their votes matter.
 
washunut said:
Where did I say I would support Trump? I care too much for the well-being of my child to vote for Bernie.
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Bernie is obviously the one who would help the well-being of your child.
 
The Mark said:
Which of the listed potential Democratic candidates do you think can beat Trump in the 2020 presidential election?

Feel free to provide reasons, but if you just go with a gut feeling of sorts that's fine too.

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I listed the top 8 candidates in descending order of polling numbers according to the RCP national average, less Yang, who dropped out.
RealClearPolitics - Election 2020 - 2020 Democratic Presidential Nomination
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You should have had an option for NONE of them!.....Because not one of these radicals and wackos has a snowballs chance in hell of beating Trump this fall in an open election.
 
washunut said:
Where did I say I would support Trump??? I care too much for the well-being of my child to vote for bernie.
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If Bernie is the dem nominee then this election comes down to two choices.

Vote for Bernie

Leave Trump in office.

All options that aren't Bernie in this scenario is in support of another Trump term. If Bernie is the nominee, there is no 3rd option for Americans.
 
Klobuchar his a good chance of beating Trump. Once she's candidate, she'll get all of Bernie's supports plus moderate democrats and republicans.


Bloomberg has a good chance since he's left wing on social issues and conservative on fiscal issues.
 
Blue Donkey said:
You do realize all votes count equally, correct? And that Trump haters can vote absentee? Can't people who expect Trump to win stay nome? I am sure everything you said goes both ways. Give us a reason it is impossible for only the left side to be unable to vote for its nominee and have too much optmism to think their votes matter.
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All votes are not equal. If they were equal it wouldn't be possible for someone to have more votes and win. The electoral college ensures that voters in smaller states have votes that count for more than voters in larger states. (population).

As for whether or not Trump voters stay home - they can. But they don't. They will be out voting for their man. If you think the dem candidate can win by relying on Trumps base to stay home you are mistaken. Roughly 44-46% of voters are going to vote for Trump. Those numbers are solid. ~44% of people who are likely to vote currently approve of his job performance. There will be some who approve but still think Bernie/other can do better but there will also be some who don't buy into it. If the left nominee doesn't win 50% of the vote they can't win. Trump can win with 45% and the dem nominee with 48%. The electoral college can ensure of that. If the dems split they cannot win. 10-15% of Bernie supports - or Bernie opposers break rank and there is no path to victory.
 
If there was a choice 'none of the above' I would cast my vote.
 
Kreton said:
All votes are not equal. If they were equal it wouldn't be possible for someone to have more votes and win. The electoral college ensures that voters in smaller states have votes that count for more than voters in larger states. (population).

As for whether or not Trump voters stay home - they can. But they don't. They will be out voting for their man. If you think the dem candidate can win by relying on Trumps base to stay home you are mistaken. Roughly 44-46% of voters are going to vote for Trump. Those numbers are solid. ~44% of people who are likely to vote currently approve of his job performance. There will be some who approve but still think Bernie/other can do better but there will also be some who don't buy into it. If the left nominee doesn't win 50% of the vote they can't win. Trump can win with 45% and the dem nominee with 48%. The electoral college can ensure of that. If the dems split they cannot win. 10-15% of Bernie supports - or Bernie opposers break rank and there is no path to victory.
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Sanders made Trump the president last time and will get Trump re-elected this time.
 
antiquity said:
If there was a choice 'none of the above' I would cast my vote.
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I wonder if a court would allow a person to change their name to "Vote For Nobody" - and then run for some obscure office like treasurer, tax collector etc in a big city with a hundred local, county and state election on the ballot - with the ballot showing "Vote For Nobody." Political signs that simply read: "Finally you can vote for nobody. Vote For Nobody for Tax Collector."

Might win by a landslide. I bet that not 1 in 100 even of those on this extremely political forum can name their tax collector or county treasurer. Casting a vote for nobody would just be too tempting to pass up!
 
joko104 said:
You posted that Trump stole the election. How do you say he did that?
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You asked me if I will be tricked into voting for Trump again. If you meant something else, you would have typed something else.
 
Kreton, where did you get your information from? If you have no links, you made it all up.
 
Blue Donkey said:
You asked me if I will be tricked into voting for Trump again. If you meant something else, you would have typed something else.
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So your message meant absolutely nothing. You claimed Trump stolen the election - having no clue what you meant when you wrote that?
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
There are no independents. Studies have found that those that claim to be independent often have more partisan voting records than those that identify with a political party. Everything is about turnout.

The only swing votes are those that tend to be less politically engaged.
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Most elections are decided by the least knowledge voters.
 
joko104 said:
So your message meant absolutely nothing. You claimed Trump stole the election - having no clue what you meant when you wrote that?
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What did you mean by me being tricked into voting for Trump again?

You know I never voted for Trump.
 
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Blue Donkey said:
Bernie is obviously the one who would help the well-being of your child.
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No obvious about it. Bernie is obviously certain, but not obviously correct.

Blue Donkey said:
Kreton, where did you get your information from? If you have no links, you made it all up.
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He's right. It's called the Electoral College. Have you heard of that?

Blue Donkey said:
You asked me if I will be tricked into voting for Trump again. If you meant something else, you would have typed something else.
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Blue Donkey said:
What did you mean by me being tricked into voting for Trump again? You know I never voted for Trump.
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In a bit of a snit, are you. Don't worry. You get to try again in four years and no Trump that time.
 
Lucky 1 said:
You should have had an option for NONE of them!.....Because not one of these radicals and wackos has a snowballs chance in hell of beating Trump this fall in an open election.
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I guess that's "other" then?
 
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