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Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

Do you believe that the phrase "Under God" should be in the Pledge of Allegiance?

  • Yes

    Votes: 68 54.4%

  • No

    Votes: 57 45.6%
  • Total voters
    125
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Caine said:
Of course its not an establishment OF A SPECIFIC Religion.
Its a statement reguarding religion in general.
And when someone does not state the pledge correctly, they are fiercely accused of being unpatriotic for not believing that our nation is "under god"
Until you can prove that there IS a god... and that we are in fact "under" him... the statement should be removed from the pledge.
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You, know I don't know how many times I've put my hand over my heart and recited the Pledge, but it has been a lot of times in many different settings and with many different people. In all that time, I have never seen or heard anybody corrected, much less accused, for saying it wrong or for just standing there respectfully and not saying it at all. Not even a hard glance unless somebody is intentionally being disruptive and disrespectful. I think any teacher that did not immediatley correct a student who disrespected the rights of another student should be fired on the spot.

One of my more poignant memories was when I was helping with Citizenship classes and attended the swearing in of new citizens coming from all over the world including Buddhists, Taoists, Muslims, Hindus, and who knows what else. Part of the ceremony included them putting their hands over their heart and saying the Pledge loudly and proudly from memory, 'under God' and all. They didn't mind.

Why should you?
 
AlbqOwl said:
You, know I don't know how many times I've put my hand over my heart and recited the Pledge, but it has been a lot of times in many different settings and with many different people. In all that time, I have never seen or heard anybody corrected, much less accused, for saying it wrong or for just standing there respectfully and not saying it at all. Not even a hard glance unless somebody is intentionally being disruptive and disrespectful. I think any teacher that did not immediatley correct a student who disrespected the rights of another student should be fired on the spot.

One of my more poignant memories was when I was helping with Citizenship classes and attended the swearing in of new citizens coming from all over the world including Buddhists, Taoists, Muslims, Hindus, and who knows what else. Part of the ceremony included them putting their hands over their heart and saying the Pledge loudly and proudly from memory, 'under God' and all. They didn't mind.

Why should you?
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Some people are just not happy unless they have something to complain about............
 
Navy Pride said:
Some people are just not happy unless they have something to complain about............
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Go away unless you have something to contribute to the debate.
 
AlbqOwl said:
You, know I don't know how many times I've put my hand over my heart and recited the Pledge, but it has been a lot of times in many different settings and with many different people. In all that time, I have never seen or heard anybody corrected, much less accused, for saying it wrong or for just standing there respectfully and not saying it at all. Not even a hard glance unless somebody is intentionally being disruptive and disrespectful. I think any teacher that did not immediatley correct a student who disrespected the rights of another student should be fired on the spot.

One of my more poignant memories was when I was helping with Citizenship classes and attended the swearing in of new citizens coming from all over the world including Buddhists, Taoists, Muslims, Hindus, and who knows what else. Part of the ceremony included them putting their hands over their heart and saying the Pledge loudly and proudly from memory, 'under God' and all. They didn't mind.

Why should you?
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Because its unconstitutional.
I think im done debating here because its obvious religion reigns over the constitution now. Why don't we make a collage of information from the religious scriptures of several different religions and make it the new basis of our government powers and structure?
 
Caine said:
Because its unconstitutional.
I think im done debating here because its obvious religion reigns over the constitution now. Why don't we make a collage of information from the religious scriptures of several different religions and make it the new basis of our government powers and structure?
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Who says its unconstitutional? Some liberal judge from the whacked out 9th Circuit Court..........Lets wait and see what the SCOTUS says about it and I already know they will overturn the ruling......I hope your still around this forum so you can admit you were wrong..........
 
Navy Pride said:
Who says its unconstitutional? Some liberal judge from the whacked out 9th Circuit Court..........Lets wait and see what the SCOTUS says about it and I already know they will overturn the ruling......I hope your still around this forum so you can admit you were wrong..........
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Do they have to be liberal if they read the 1st amendments establishment clause as stating the the government cannot suport and establishment of religion?
Meaning, they cannot support that religion exists in the first place? But they cannot deny that religion exhists either. They are to remain neutral on it, which also means they cannot condone a pledge that makes a reference to any diety.
 
Caine said:
Do they have to be liberal if they read the 1st amendments establishment clause as stating the the government cannot suport and establishment of religion?
Meaning, they cannot support that religion exists in the first place? But they cannot deny that religion exhists either. They are to remain neutral on it, which also means they cannot condone a pledge that makes a reference to any diety.
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Like I said when the case goes to the SCOTUS the ruling will be overturned......We are a God fearing country and e will remain that way.........
 
Navy Pride said:
Like I said when the case goes to the SCOTUS the ruling will be overturned......We are a God fearing country and e will remain that way.........
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You hope so.....
 
Caine said:
You hope so.....
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I know so.......Just don't run off and hide when it happens..Be a man about it............
 
Navy Pride said:
I know so.......Just don't run off and hide when it happens..Be a man about it............
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A: You don't know **** yet.

B: I will be around. And I will be a man about it, reguardless.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
And that's why it would be nice if Breyer had a stroke and died.
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Well, that's mature.

The Constitution isn't about technology, it's about people. The First Amendment isn't changed by the fact that radio and TV replaced newspaper. The Second Amendment isn't altered by the existence of automatic firearms and grenade launchers.
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Um, are you serious? You think that people should have freedom to own any and every weapon they can get a hold of? Why stop with grenade launchers? Give everyone a nuke.

Breyer's self-serving interpretation of the Constitution is the primary reason the country's in the position it's in, socially.
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That's a bold statement. Wanna back it up?
 
Navy Pride said:
Who says its unconstitutional? Some liberal judge from the whacked out 9th Circuit Court..........Lets wait and see what the SCOTUS says about it and I already know they will overturn the ruling......I hope your still around this forum so you can admit you were wrong..........
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I'm telling you right now, 7-2 against "under god," if the court even decides to grant cert, which it might not.

If I'm wrong, I'll be here and you can gloat all you like.
 
RightatNYU said:
I'm telling you right now, 7-2 against "under god," if the court even decides to grant cert, which it might not.

If I'm wrong, I'll be here and you can gloat all you like.
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I'm speculating that if the defense attorneys for the pledge do their job even halfway competently, the SCOTUS vote will be 9-0 that the phrase 'under God' is not an establishment of religion and is not unconstitutional. Even if the most liberal justices stick to their anti-religion stances, the vote will certainly be no worse than 6-3 to keep 'under God' in the Pledge for as long as the people want it to be there.

By the way, the Pledge is 'sanctioned' as a uniform patriotic statement at the national level, but it is not mandated from the national level. The various states decide how, where, and when the Pledge will be used in their state schools, etc. As I have said before, 49 of 50 of these same states acknowledge the historical God in the preambles of their constitutions and to date not one of these has been successfully challenged as being unconstitutional.
 
RightatNYU said:
I'm telling you right now, 7-2 against "under god," if the court even decides to grant cert, which it might not.

If I'm wrong, I'll be here and you can gloat all you like.
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So let me understand, are you saying that when this goes to the SCOTUS that they won't hear the decision or over rule it?:confused:

I am saying if they hear it, and I am not sure they will, that they will strike down the 9th circuit court opinion as they usually do.......
 
Navy Pride said:
So let me understand, are you saying that when this goes to the SCOTUS that they won't hear the decision or over rule it?:confused:

I am saying if they hear it, and I am not sure they will, that they will strike down the 9th circuit court opinion as they usually do.......
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Well im glad our Supreme Court Justices don't think the way you do.
Your basically insinuating that if they hear it they are going to strike down the opinion JUST CAUSE it came from the 9th Circuit.
Typical Navy Pride reply to many things, blame it on the 9th Circuit Court, Liberals, Democrats, and Arabs.
 
Caine said:
Well im glad our Supreme Court Justices don't think the way you do.
Your basically insinuating that if they hear it they are going to strike down the opinion JUST CAUSE it came from the 9th Circuit.
Typical Navy Pride reply to many things, blame it on the 9th Circuit Court, Liberals, Democrats, and Arabs.
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They are going to strike it down becasue that is what 92% of the American people want and it is the wrong decision...............
 
Navy Pride said:
They are going to strike it down becasue that is what 92% of the American people want and it is the wrong decision...............
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Its only what 57% of the people who have taken this poll want.
 
Caine said:
Its only what 57% of the people who have taken this poll want.
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try 87% in this poll favor it and the one I saw awhile back was 92%


http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/06/29/poll.pledge/

Vast majority in U.S. support 'under God'
June 30, 2002 Posted: 8:51 AM EDT (1251 GMT)

NEW YORK (CNN) -- Nearly nine in 10 Americans believe the phrase "under God" should remain in the Pledge of Allegiance, and most believe it is acceptable for the government to promote religious expression, as long as no specific religion is mentioned, according to a Newsweek poll.
 
Navy Pride said:
try 87% in this poll favor it and the one I saw awhile back was 92%


http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/06/29/poll.pledge/

Vast majority in U.S. support 'under God'
June 30, 2002 Posted: 8:51 AM EDT (1251 GMT)

NEW YORK (CNN) -- Nearly nine in 10 Americans believe the phrase "under God" should remain in the Pledge of Allegiance, and most believe it is acceptable for the government to promote religious expression, as long as no specific religion is mentioned, according to a Newsweek poll.
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So, because a large majority of America support an unconstitutional pledge, changed to make us feel like we are "sticking it" to the "godless" Communists in the 1950s......because a majority support it than its okay for it to be unconstitutional?
 
Caine said:
So, because a large majority of America support an unconstitutional pledge, changed to make us feel like we are "sticking it" to the "godless" Communists in the 1950s......because a majority support it than its okay for it to be unconstitutional?
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In a democratic government majority rules and we have yet to find out if it is unconstitutional............The SCOTUS will decide that when they hear the case..........
 
Navy Pride said:
In a democratic government majority rules and we have yet to find out if it is unconstitutional............The SCOTUS will decide that when they hear the case..........
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We don't have a democratic government, we have a Republic form of government.
 
Caine said:
We don't have a democratic government, we have a Republic form of government.
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It is a democratic form of government that is a republic and elections are decided by the majority......
 
Navy Pride said:
It is a democratic form of government that is a republic and elections are decided by the majority......
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Yes, elections, not the constitutionality of a religous phrase in a pledge of allegiance to a government that is not support to support religion.
 
Navy Pride said:
If I lived in and Islamic country abd they said Under Allah that would be fine with me..........If I lived in a country that believed in Budda and they said under Budda that would be fine with me......

We live in a judo/christian country and we should be allowed to say under God..........As someone already said it is not required you say it.................

You people that want God erased from everything in this country are jyst fooling yourself..It ain't gonna happen.......
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You live in a secular country and you're perfectly free to say "under God" if you want.

What is illegal is for the Congress to legislate "under God" in the Pledge.

Is that difference to difficult for you?
 
AlbqOwl said:
God is as generic a name for a nameless diety as can probably be conceived, and is the historic God of the Declaration of Independence and the presumption of the founding fathers.
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No. "God", with the capital G, is pretty spefic to the Judeo-Christian fantasy system. The Hindus have names for all their thousands of gods, the Buddhists have their Buddy, and the tree huggers have their elms and their oaks.

The pledge is legislated at "under God", not "under god", so your argument is false.
 
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