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Which side are you on?

Which side are you on?

  • Sanders

    Votes: 33 47.8%

  • Trump

    Votes: 36 52.2%
  • Total voters
    69
  • Poll closed .
jaypatriot said:
I wonder how many is "so many"?

How about a 90 percent approval rating for Trump among Republicans. That doesn't leave a lot of Republicans who can't stand him.

In contemporary politics, presidential job approval is highly partisan. Obama in his last year as sitting president achieved a job approval of 70 to 90 among Democrats and 10 to 15 among Republicans, while President Donald Trump in 2018 has a job approval of 85 to 90 among Republicans and 5 to 10 among Democrats.
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cite pls
 
"How has Trump been "destroying" the country?"

Trump ignores the law and protects his buddies. He hates the separation of powers as well as checks and balances.
 
jamesbyoung said:
cite pls
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en.wikipedia.org › wiki › United_States_presidential_approval_rating


President Donald Trump in 2018 has a job approval of 75 to 90 among Republicans and 5 to 10 among Democrats.[2] Gallup polling has found that, as of 2019, 47% of Americans are either "Democrats or Democratic leaners" while 42% are either "Republicans or Republican leaners".[3]
 
jamesbyoung said:
"How has Trump been "destroying" the country?"

Trump ignores the law and protects his buddies. He hates the separation of powers as well as checks and balances.
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And you call that 'destroying the country'? Do you read dystopian sci fi novels?
Who exactly is being destroyed? You?
 
Blue Donkey said:
How is it even possible to not know the answer? I assume you know what Donald Trump has been doing is unconstitutional.
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Do not assume.
I believe he is operating within the executive powers of the Constitution.
Tell me what he has done that is un-Constitutional.
 
jamesbyoung said:
Because he is not a socialist? Because you have no idea what is socialism?:)
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I know Socialism is not working in Venezuela or Cuba. And it failed in the Soviet Union.
You don't think Bernie would head in that direction? Is that what you want?
Here is a simple answer:
Socialiam is a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
 
jaypatriot said:
Ever the Trump-hater. At least you are consistent. Regardless of how the country, which is capitalist, gets harmed by Bernie the Socialist.
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I have never denied my dislike for Trump. Trump and his policies, corruption and greed are far worse than socialism. I don't think Bernie would ever move America into a socialist country. I think that is just something scared, ill informed people are duped into believing because they are easily manipulated.
 
rickc said:
Well i don't believe we could have two so diametrically opposed candidates for president than Trump and Sanders. Shows just how divided our electorate is.

I wonder where those moderates will fit into this scenario if there are only these two choices?
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If you study Bernies history of what he has advocated for you would be scared of him. He's been on the side of government takeover of healthcare and wants to offer free college. He advocated for government take over of energy production in America in the 70's. What Bernie doesn't say is how to pay for all this.
 
Bodhisattva said:
What specifically has he done that has been unconstitutional?
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Hint: Ukraine

Throughout the impeachment process, our own national security was mentioned as a potential problem if Zelensky had never received it. And you think Trump was not trying to destruct America?
 
rickc said:
Well i don't believe we could have two so diametrically opposed candidates for president than Trump and Sanders. Shows just how divided our electorate is.

I wonder where those moderates will fit into this scenario if there are only these two choices?
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I don't see any moderates. Where are the moderates?
 
jaypatriot said:
Do not assume. I believe he is operating within the executive powers of the Constitution. Tell me what he has done that is unconstitutional.
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He obviously was not. Read Article 2 and tell me where it says the President is allowed to risk endangering our own national security.
 
Sanders cares about people. Trump cares about himself and money.
 
jaypatriot said:
en.wikipedia.org › wiki › United_States_presidential_approval_rating


President Donald Trump in 2018 has a job approval of 75 to 90 among Republicans and 5 to 10 among Democrats.[2] Gallup polling has found that, as of 2019, 47% of Americans are either "Democrats or Democratic leaners" while 42% are either "Republicans or Republican leaners".[3]
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Wikipedia can be manipulated to say whatever someone wants it to say.

cite pls
 
jaypatriot said:
I know Socialism is not working in Venezuela or Cuba. And it failed in the Soviet Union.
You don't think Bernie would head in that direction? Is that what you want?
Here is a simple answer:
Socialiam is a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
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It certainly has worked in western Europe over the last century and elsewhere.

You have altered the traditional definition (without a qualified cite) by substituting "social organization' for 'economic organization.'

Your definition supports the idea that every municipal and government entity in America is socialistic. That is not so.

You do not understand the definition of socialism, for starters, or what is a democratic socialist.
 
rickc said:
Well i don't believe we could have two so diametrically opposed candidates for president than Trump and Sanders. Shows just how divided our electorate is.

I wonder where those moderates will fit into this scenario if there are only these two choices?
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If Bernie Sanders takes the nomination, I would have to vote for Donald Trump. If another Democratic candidate takes the nomination, I will abstain from voting for the Presidential candidate like I did in 2016.
 
grip said:
Sanders cares about people. Trump cares about himself and money.
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Winner, winner, chicken dinner!

I am still waiting for people to explain why they think the opposite.
 
Felis Leo said:
If Bernie Sanders takes the nomination, I would have to vote for Donald Trump. If another Democratic candidate takes the nomination, I will abstain from voting for the Presidential candidate like I did in 2016.
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If you abstain from voting for anyone else, why not do so after Bernie Sanders wins the nomination?
 
Blue Donkey said:
If you abstain from voting for anyone else, why not do so after Bernie Sanders wins the nomination?
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Because it would then be a contest between simply two competing visions of how best to fulfill America's greatness. Not a contest between someone who nationalistically loves America versus someone who apparently has contempt for America and the American system.

Because I think Bernie Sanders is so radical that he would use and abuse the executive branch to push a high-handed regulatory that would wreck our economy, and push for a radical readjustment to American foreign policy that would weaken us far more so than Donald Trump has. He would make the poverty he claims to see a reality if we pursued his policies. Now, Donald Trump sneers and insults NATO and praises dictators, but otherwise maintains the status quo. Sanders I believe has no desire to maintain American strength in the world. Again, because he is a Democratic Socialist, and only a "fair weather" Democratic Party member.

The other Democratic candidates would at least maintain the basic standards of American foreign policy and economic growth.
 
grip said:
Sanders cares about people. Trump cares about himself and money.
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is this the result of a poll in which you only asked 2 people, Sanders and Trump

and of course they both told you this "truth"?

so in other words, u can read minds.... you can read hearts

But Jesus said "Judge not, lest you be judged
for by what measure you mete so shall it be meted unto you"
 
jamesbyoung said:
You hit it without realizing it: so many Republicans can't stand Trump.
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I don't deny that, although I've always supposed it's more because of his personality than his policies. Most of his policies are pretty generically Republican, so I would see more moderates leaning towards him because they're so predictably Right-leaning compared to Bernie's full-bore Lefty socialism.
 
Ikari said:
Given those two choices, third party.
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Colorado is a sometimes swing state. With Sanders, you get a decent person with unrealistic ideas that have no chance of passing. With Trump, you get a despicable human being with terrible ideas that the senate (should it continue to remain republican) will just rubber stamp.

Seems like a pretty easy choice. I don't want Sanders, but I would sure take him over Trump.
 
NoMereRanger said:
I don't deny that, although I've always supposed it's more because of his personality than his policies. Most of his policies are pretty generically Republican, so I would see more moderates leaning towards him because they're so predictably Right-leaning compared to Bernie's full-bore Lefty socialism.
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I agree with your comment about his personality, which is antithetical to the requirements of the office.

And, southerndemocrat, yes, Trump is so much worse that the problematic Sanders.
 
Kreton said:
I have never denied my dislike for Trump. Trump and his policies, corruption and greed are far worse than socialism. I don't think Bernie would ever move America into a socialist country. I think that is just something scared, ill informed people are duped into believing because they are easily manipulated.
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Are we talking about the same Bernie? The self-avowed Democratic Socialist? The one who will eliminate private health insurance; medicare for all; Green New Deal; free college for all; higher taxes for corporations; high taxes on the rich; elimination of student debt; etc.?
You think those policies are NOT moving American into a socialist country?
Are you independently wealthy or just ignorant of all that those policies will cost our country?
Or maybe you just don't care about costs and how those policies will pay for themselves?
Your hatred for Trump means you have no worries about Bernie coming in and crippling our economy.
 
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