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For Those Who Do Not Want To Vote For Trump

If _________ wins the Dem nomination, I'll vote for Trump.

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rickc said:
Third party

Wasted vote unless otherwise you would have voted for trump

Unless otherwise you would
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Disagreed on "wasted vote". First, there are a lot of other elections than the one for President. Note the turning point in 2018. Would you really have wished all of those voters to stay home?

Second, note that neither Trump nor Hillary, despite all the screams she won the "popular vote" garnered over 49% of the vote. Why? Because of Third Party voters. Breaking the 50% barrier is significant. Trump does not have over 50% of the American votes. Even if Hillary had won, she wouldn't have had over 50% of the American votes. That's a significant number.

I strongly encourage all Americans to do their civic duty and vote in 2020, even if their choice for President is a Third Party candidate.

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Rising Sun said:
Sorry, but I strongly disagree with your assertion that American voters must accept the Democratic candidate, regardless how unworthy, corrupt or inept, just because the Republican candidate is a douchebag. If you want Americans to vote Democratic, try running a candidate worthy of leading "We, the People", not just another douchebag.
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That's the thinking of a child.
 
Cardinal said:
I remain perpetually confused by people who accept that Trump is a total disaster but will vote in such a way that helps his re-election.
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Why would his Libertarian vote help Trump and not his opponent?

It doesn't. His vote isn't owed to anyone.
 
Cardinal said:
That's the thinking of a child.
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No, "us vs. them" and "either you're with us or against us" is the thinking of a child.

The Democrats are owed no votes simply because Trump sucks.
 
Josie said:
I remain perpetually confused by people who accept that the only choices are R or D when they both suck monkey balls.
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Agreed. Vote, but don't vote for those who suck monkey balls. :thumbs:

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Josie said:
I remain perpetually confused by people who accept that the only choices are R or D when they both suck monkey balls.
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Some people are simply unable to see anything other than their tribe.
 
Rising Sun said:
Thank you for the typical Liberal elitist point of view. The irony is that it's Liberals like you who want to lower the voting age to 16. LOL

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Oh. I didn't know you were a Fox News talking point generator. Carry on.
 
Cardinal said:
That's the thinking of a child.
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No, Card, the "thinking of a child" is voting for a leftist douchebag, no matter how bad Trump is. Rising Sun is right, if you want us to vote D, give us a good reason to do so.
 
Cardinal said:
Oh. I didn't know you were a Fox News talking point generator. Carry on.
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I'm not, but thanks for the continuing stream of insults against those who do not goosestep with the Democratic party's selection of candidates. What you are advocating is unAmerican. What you are advocating goes directly against what our Founders believed. What you are advocating is what I'm voting against.

For all Americans:
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Harshaw said:
Why would his Libertarian vote help Trump and not his opponent?

It doesn't. His vote isn't owed to anyone.
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Because Cardinal knows most Americans do not like either the Republican candidate or the Democratic candidate. Because Cardinal knows 40% of American voters are Independents.

What Cardinal and Trump have in common is that both believe insults and intimidation is a leadership tool. Both are wrong.

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Dragonfly said:
This thread is for anyone who does NOT want Trump re-elected.

If you're an anybody but Trump person, or even more to the point, almost anybody but Trump I'd like to know which candidate left in the filed might push you towards voting for Trump.

Is there any Dem candidate left in the field today that scares you so much you'd rather vote for another four years of Trump?

So the poll is this:

If _________ wins the Dem nomination, I'll vote for Trump.

Obviously an explanation of why you think that way would be great.

If you plan on voting for Trump no matter what, try to restrain yourself from posting in this thread.
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The democrat field is so bad i'll vote for Trump no matter who gets the nomination. Toddleing old fools, and socialist, and oh yeah mayor Pete. Can't vote for any of those. Any chance Hillary will get in soon?
 
Dragonfly said:
This thread is for anyone who does NOT want Trump re-elected.

If you're an anybody but Trump person, or even more to the point, almost anybody but Trump I'd like to know which candidate left in the filed might push you towards voting for Trump.

Is there any Dem candidate left in the field today that scares you so much you'd rather vote for another four years of Trump?

So the poll is this:

If _________ wins the Dem nomination, I'll vote for Trump.

Obviously an explanation of why you think that way would be great.

If you plan on voting for Trump no matter what, try to restrain yourself from posting in this thread.
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Dragonfly, you have to reconfigure your poll dramatically. Don't know what you are looking for here, but I don't think I can help you out. I have tried to come up with a political figure , that I would not vote for, over Trump. Cruz now looks like a wise elder statesman in his party and Gingrich has become the voice of reason. You won't be finding any mark of delineation from me.
 
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I know that the right likes to portray never-Trumpers as insane people (even though they were probably never-Obama) but here's the thing for me; it isn't just Trump, it's the people he surrounds himself with to advise him.

They're not very good at their jobs.

Now, most candidates (either left or right) will properly vet the people they want advising them. Sometime idiots get through, but they are the exception and not the rule, unlike Trump's staff. They will have properly experienced and nuanced people doing the jobs they want them to do.

And that's one thing I look for in a president: the ability to hire a good staff. For example, if Colin Powell had run on the GOP ticket, I know that he would choose the right people, or at least try to...and if the Dem candidate had looked weak, I would have voted for Powell if it came down to it. There other GOP candidates, or almost-candidates, that I have felt that way about.

Now, if someone in the current crop of Dem candidates were to really botch that or something else up, at least there is more to choose from. But on top of everything else, Trump is incapable of putting together a good staff. And that SHOULD concern many on the right.
 
tres borrachos said:
I will not vote for Trump in 2020, that I know. So while I may not vote for the Dem, I know I won't vote for him. Worst case scenario, I will write in Vermin Supreme or Henrik Lundqvist.

But at this point I think I'll vote for anyone on that list.
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You can write in Potvin Sucks.
 
Dragonfly said:
I've never lived in NY, so I'm not aware of his idiosyncrasies.

I like his positions on some of the bigger issues, so I don't fear him.
Not like I fear another 4 years of Trump anyway.
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He was trying to stave off diabetes, especially in children by limiting the size of sugary drinks. Major backlash to being able to buy a giant big gulp as opposed to 2 smaller ones if they really wanted it. Probably did little but at least he was thinking about the epidemic of diabetes. He is not a fan of guns either so he won't be getting the 2A fanatics'. Again he is trying to keep a diverse and crowded city safe. I like him.
 
Dragonfly said:
I've never lived in NY, so I'm not aware of his idiosyncrasies.

I like his positions on some of the bigger issues, so I don't fear him.
Not like I fear another 4 years of Trump anyway.
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I want Tweety voted out as a top issue, but I'd really prefer not to have to hold my nose until I suffocate to get that done.
 
Helix said:
i'm not going to hold my nose that much. i did it last time, but a lot of people didn't, and that's why Democrats lost to a ****ing spray painted tv gameshow host. i wouldn't recommend doing it again. if he wants to help out the eventual nominee by buying anti-Tweety ads, that's fine. however, he burned a lot of us out with his nausea inducing nannyism, and that was his choice.
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So your concern is not him "buying" an election but the "nausea inducing nannyism". I guess if you have to choose between that and Trump, I am still surprised you would abstain instead of picking the clearly a better choice.... Who is going to be better on environment? On healthcare? On integrity of the office? Less likely to get us closer to a nuke war? SCOTUS nomination? Those are not hard questions IMO.

Rising Sun said:
Sorry, but I strongly disagree with your assertion that American voters must accept the Democratic candidate, regardless how unworthy, corrupt or inept, just because the Republican candidate is a douchebag. If you want Americans to vote Democratic, try running a candidate worthy of leading "We, the People", not just another douchebag.
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It's not regardless on how "unworthy, corrupt or inept" they are. If Dem candidate is "unworthy, corrupt or inept" to the same level as Trump, then your position makes sense. But so far I've seen 0 Dem candidates that come close to Trump as far as how "unworthy, corrupt or inept" they are. If you really don't like a Dem candidate, vote for them AND for Republican Congress to neutralize them. That makes more sense than keeping the most corrupt loose cannon in the WH playing with nukes.
 
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Slavister said:
So your concern is not him "buying" an election but the "nausea inducing nannyism". I guess if you have to choose between that and Trump, I am still surprised you would abstain instead of picking the clearly a better choice.... Who is going to be better on environment? On healthcare? On integrity of the office? Less likely to get us closer to a nuke war? SCOTUS nomination? Those are not hard questions IMO.



It's not regardless on how "unworthy, corrupt or inept" they are. If Dem candidate is "unworthy, corrupt or inept" to the same level as Trump, then your position makes sense. But so far I've seen 0 Dem candidates that come close to Trump as far as how "unworthy, corrupt or inept" they are. If you really don't like a Dem candidate, vote for them AND for Republican Congress to neutralize them. That makes more sense than keeping the most corrupt loose cannon in the WH playing with nukes.
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My concern is that the candidate with the best chance against the orange imbecile might be someone who I would never normally vote for. Even if I cave and vote against, a lot of people won't. That's how the Democrats lost last time.
 
Helix said:
My concern is that the candidate with the best chance against the orange imbecile might be someone who I would never normally vote for. Even if I cave and vote against, a lot of people won't. That's how the Democrats lost last time.
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Agreed and that's a fair concern, but (to me) does not sound like a reason to waste your vote because you are afraid others will waste theirs.

(Also, as I mentioned elsewhere, if you really hate the one you'd vote for Dem President, you can also undercut them by voting for Republicans for Congress.)
 
I'll vote for anyone who wins the Democratic nomination, will not vote for Trump under any circumstances and won't throw my vote away on a third party candidate. I held my nose and voted for Hillary last election, and it didn't pan out. She won the popular vote but not the Electoral College. I did all I could do at the time not to have a scumbag like Trump get into office, I'll do the same again. I figure a vote for a Democrat is better than voting third party or staying home.
 
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I said anyone but Trump, but with non-politicians I often have the same stance as I did with Trump.

Here's how it works: I may vote for you to remove Trump, but just like how I felt about Trump, I may also support your immediate removal through impeachment by any conjured rationale necessary.

Political outsiders occasionally appeal to the electorate, but the electorate can make foolish decisions that should be reversed as soon as possible to prevent damage to our institutions and society. Political outsiders know not what they do, because they are by definition amateurs. The President of the United States is not an entry-level public service job and shame on over 60 million people for making that mistake.
 
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Dragonfly said:
This thread is for anyone who does NOT want Trump re-elected.

If you're an anybody but Trump person, or even more to the point, almost anybody but Trump I'd like to know which candidate left in the filed might push you towards voting for Trump.

Is there any Dem candidate left in the field today that scares you so much you'd rather vote for another four years of Trump?

So the poll is this:

If _________ wins the Dem nomination, I'll vote for Trump.

Obviously an explanation of why you think that way would be great.

If you plan on voting for Trump no matter what, try to restrain yourself from posting in this thread.
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Anyone over the Malignant Narcissist Sleazeball.
 
Josie said:
I remain perpetually confused by people who accept that the only choices are R or D when they both suck monkey balls.
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It's hard for some of us to imagine the candidate that sucks monkey balls as much as Trump.
 
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