National divide: Am I right?

Am I right?

It all started with the best intentions. Clinton said "let's make home ownership possible for a lot more people. Let's let everyone share in the prosperity."

And that went really wrong when financial types took advantage and lent money to pretty much anyone who wanted it.

And then in 2008 you had the crash when all those people couldn't pay back their loans.

Serious business people went in to see George Bush and said that if the government doesn't give up a trillion dollars, the economy might very well collapse and that will drag the world economy down with it.

So the banks were bailed out. That made a lot of people who had lost their jobs and homes mad since the government never bailed them out.

Then the serious business types went to see Obama and said they needed another trillion. Obama reluctantly agreed.

This made people even angrier. The Tea Party was created. The Tea Party wanted to punish the elites and they felt that the best way to do it was via the ballot box. And there were other things like racism.

But there was no collapse and the economy gradually got better.

But by then the Tea Party had taken over the repubican party.

Also facebook made organization of these groups a lot easier.

Obama wanted to pass health care reform. He tried to get republicans to sign on but the Tea Party wouldn't let republicans do so.

So Obamacare is 100% a democrat thing with no republican support. This leaves Obamacare vulnerable.

Politicians didn't realize how angry working class voters were. Some of the anger was directed at government but most of it was directed at globalization.

Trump saw this and said, "I'll do something about this globalization thing. I'll get rid of trade agreements, stop immigration, and deal with China."

Trump won.

Why other politicians didn't get what Trump got about the voters is amazing to me. Some of these politicians had been politicians for over 40 years.

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Clinton was a terrible alternative to Trump. Trump is an EC president.

There's a reason why the GOP is doing everything possible to purge the voter rolls in select states.

swing_voter said:

Am I right?

It all started with the best intentions. Clinton said "let's make home ownership possible for a lot more people. Let's let everyone share in the prosperity."

And that went really wrong when financial types took advantage and lent money to pretty much anyone who wanted it.

And then in 2008 you had the crash when all those people couldn't pay back their loans.

Serious business people went in to see George Bush and said that if the government doesn't give up a trillion dollars, the economy might very well collapse and that will drag the world economy down with it.

So the banks were bailed out. That made a lot of people who had lost their jobs and homes mad since the government never bailed them out.

Then the serious business types went to see Obama and said they needed another trillion. Obama reluctantly agreed.

This made people even angrier. The Tea Party was created. The Tea Party wanted to punish the elites and they felt that the best way to do it was via the ballot box. And there were other things like racism.

But there was no collapse and the economy gradually got better.

But by then the Tea Party had taken over the repubican party.

Also facebook made organization of these groups a lot easier.

Obama wanted to pass health care reform. He tried to get republicans to sign on but the Tea Party wouldn't let republicans do so.

So Obamacare is 100% a democrat thing with no republican support. This leaves Obamacare vulnerable.

Politicians didn't realize how angry working class voters were. Some of the anger was directed at government but most of it was directed at globalization.

Trump saw this and said, "I'll do something about this globalization thing. I'll get rid of trade agreements, stop immigration, and deal with China."

Trump won.

Why other politicians didn't get what Trump got about the voters is amazing to me. Some of these politicians had been politicians for over 40 years.

Watch these videos of the enemy

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TBF killing Glass-Steagal was a pretty major ****up too.

The Tea Party was in McCain's election, not Trump's election.

There were many factors. Blue collar and industry job lose, with Clinton promising more permanent lay-offs.

Lose of jobs to China and other foreign sweatshop countries.

Obama ordering that boys can shower in girl's locker rooms and Democrats demanding that pedophile men can hang out with cell phone video cameras in remote park bathrooms and swimming pool changing rooms - merely by saying "I feel like a woman." (We delivered an unprecedented landslide win for Trump in Florida's Gulf Natural Coast region on that issue - and we are very much pro gay-rights and for SSM legalization.) Overall, transgender agenda of the Democratic Party - such as declaring all women's athletic awards now should go to males merely for claiming they feel like a girl is disastrous for the Democratic Party.

Open goal of taking everyone's guns away.

The sense that the government exists solely for the elitists.

Obama's disastrous foreign policy practices all over the world.

"Pigs in a blanket... What do we want? DEAD COPS! When do we want them? NOW!" and the overall attacks against the police.

NON-STOP attacking white people and Christians with every possible hate mongering slander and liable possible.

Hilary Clinton's past, her ego mania and her lazy campaigning.

It is difficult to win an election when your political party and candidates are ranting out personal attacks against over 80% of the voters.

The list is long. I do not see the former and defunct Tea Party as a factor at all.

swing_voter said:

Am I right?

It all started with the best intentions. Clinton said "let's make home ownership possible for a lot more people. Let's let everyone share in the prosperity."

And that went really wrong when financial types took advantage and lent money to pretty much anyone who wanted it.

And then in 2008 you had the crash when all those people couldn't pay back their loans.

Serious business people went in to see George Bush and said that if the government doesn't give up a trillion dollars, the economy might very well collapse and that will drag the world economy down with it.

So the banks were bailed out. That made a lot of people who had lost their jobs and homes mad since the government never bailed them out.

Then the serious business types went to see Obama and said they needed another trillion. Obama reluctantly agreed.

This made people even angrier. The Tea Party was created. The Tea Party wanted to punish the elites and they felt that the best way to do it was via the ballot box. And there were other things like racism.

But there was no collapse and the economy gradually got better.

But by then the Tea Party had taken over the repubican party.

Also facebook made organization of these groups a lot easier.

Obama wanted to pass health care reform. He tried to get republicans to sign on but the Tea Party wouldn't let republicans do so.

So Obamacare is 100% a democrat thing with no republican support. This leaves Obamacare vulnerable.

Politicians didn't realize how angry working class voters were. Some of the anger was directed at government but most of it was directed at globalization.

Trump saw this and said, "I'll do something about this globalization thing. I'll get rid of trade agreements, stop immigration, and deal with China."

Trump won.

Why other politicians didn't get what Trump got about the voters is amazing to me. Some of these politicians had been politicians for over 40 years.

Watch these videos of the enemy

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You are making this something that it is not.

Stop giving the American swing voter too much credit. They are not nearly as bright as the media paints them. In fact, most of them are astonishingly dumb.

Matt Pearce on Twitter: "Hard to overstate how unpredictable talking to voters can be: Melissa from Algona, Iowa, caucused for Bernie in 2016, then voted for a Trump; she supports Medicare for All but supports Buttigieg, but will likely vote for Trump again if Buttigieg doesn’t win the Dem nomination.… https://t.co/OfJrvqEQpq"


This is why these peoples should not be taken seriously. They vote entirely based on what side of the bed they wake up on.

swing_voter said:

Am I right?

It all started with the best intentions. Clinton said "let's make home ownership possible for a lot more people. Let's let everyone share in the prosperity."

And that went really wrong when financial types took advantage and lent money to pretty much anyone who wanted it.

And then in 2008 you had the crash when all those people couldn't pay back their loans.

Serious business people went in to see George Bush and said that if the government doesn't give up a trillion dollars, the economy might very well collapse and that will drag the world economy down with it.

So the banks were bailed out. That made a lot of people who had lost their jobs and homes mad since the government never bailed them out.

Then the serious business types went to see Obama and said they needed another trillion. Obama reluctantly agreed.

This made people even angrier. The Tea Party was created. The Tea Party wanted to punish the elites and they felt that the best way to do it was via the ballot box. And there were other things like racism.

But there was no collapse and the economy gradually got better.

But by then the Tea Party had taken over the repubican party.

Also facebook made organization of these groups a lot easier.

Obama wanted to pass health care reform. He tried to get republicans to sign on but the Tea Party wouldn't let republicans do so.

So Obamacare is 100% a democrat thing with no republican support. This leaves Obamacare vulnerable.

Politicians didn't realize how angry working class voters were. Some of the anger was directed at government but most of it was directed at globalization.

Trump saw this and said, "I'll do something about this globalization thing. I'll get rid of trade agreements, stop immigration, and deal with China."

Trump won.

Why other politicians didn't get what Trump got about the voters is amazing to me. Some of these politicians had been politicians for over 40 years.

Watch these videos of the enemy

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Pretty good high level breakdown but somewhere in there has to be deregulation and Milton Friedman.

joko104 said:

The Tea Party was in McCain's election, not Trump's election.

There were many factors. Blue collar and industry job lose, with Clinton promising more permanent lay-offs.

Lose of jobs to China and other foreign sweatshop countries.

Obama ordering that boys can shower in girl's locker rooms and Democrats demanding that pedophile men can hang out with cell phone video cameras in remote park bathrooms and swimming pool changing rooms - merely by saying "I feel like a woman." (We delivered an unprecedented landslide win for Trump in Florida's Gulf Natural Coast region on that issue - and we are very much pro gay-rights and for SSM legalization.) Overall, transgender agenda of the Democratic Party - such as declaring all women's athletic awards now should go to males merely for claiming they feel like a girl is disastrous for the Democratic Party.

Open goal of taking everyone's guns away.

The sense that the government exists solely for the elitists.

Obama's disastrous foreign policy practices all over the world.

"Pigs in a blanket... What do we want? DEAD COPS! When do we want them? NOW!" and the overall attacks against the police.

NON-STOP attacking white people and Christians with every possible hate mongering slander and liable possible.

Hilary Clinton's past, her ego mania and her lazy campaigning.

It is difficult to win an election when your political party and candidates are ranting out personal attacks against over 80% of the voters.

The list is long. I do not see the former and defunct Tea Party as a factor at all.

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Yes, this is the closest.

Rogue Valley said:

Trump is an EC president.

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Every president is an EC president - you can't win the presidency otherwise.

swing_voter said:

Am I right?

It all started with the best intentions. Clinton said "let's make home ownership possible for a lot more people. Let's let everyone share in the prosperity."

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It wasn't just Clinton, the "ownership society" was championed by Bush as well.

And that went really wrong when financial types took advantage and lent money to pretty much anyone who wanted it.

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The 80/20 loans, 90/10 loans and so on were what economists at the the time called market innovations.

And then in 2008 you had the crash when all those people couldn't pay back their loans.

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Yeah but this gets blamed by racists on the inner city. Homes in the inner city were not overvalued, those overvalued homes were in the all white suburbs where people were buying far more home than they could afford, and getting an 80/20 loan to avoid PMI, and an adjustable rate to bring their payments down. Those loans where then packaged and backed by worthless derivatives (the derivatives had been deregulated by Phil Gramm in his financial market deregulation act). When defaults on those loans started to tick up, the financial institutions holding them started to fail.

Serious business people went in to see George Bush and said that if the government doesn't give up a trillion dollars, the economy might very well collapse and that will drag the world economy down with it.

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They were absolutely right.

So the banks were bailed out. That made a lot of people who had lost their jobs and homes mad since the government never bailed them out.

Then the serious business types went to see Obama and said they needed another trillion. Obama reluctantly agreed.

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Obama was right to agree.

This made people even angrier. The Tea Party was created. The Tea Party wanted to punish the elites and they felt that the best way to do it was via the ballot box. And there were other things like racism.

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The Tea Party was nothing new. It was just a rebranding of the Religious Right. Race was their primary motivation. This is evidenced by the fact that they all of a sudden quit caring about deficits the day they got a racist president elected.

But there was no collapse and the economy gradually got better.

But by then the Tea Party had taken over the repubican party.

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The religious right has owned the Republican Party for decades. The tea party is nothing but a new name for them.

Also facebook made organization of these groups a lot easier.

Obama wanted to pass health care reform. He tried to get republicans to sign on but the Tea Party wouldn't let republicans do so.

So Obamacare is 100% a democrat thing with no republican support. This leaves Obamacare vulnerable.

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Social media made it easy for people to believe all sorts of nonsense - death panels and other lunatic notions.

Politicians didn't realize how angry working class voters were. Some of the anger was directed at government but most of it was directed at globalization.

Trump saw this and said, "I'll do something about this globalization thing. I'll get rid of trade agreements, stop immigration, and deal with China."

Trump won.

Why other politicians didn't get what Trump got about the voters is amazing to me. Some of these politicians had been politicians for over 40 years.

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Trump won the general election with a lower percentage of the vote than what Romney lost with just 4 years earlier. He won the general election because he ran against a bad candidate, Hillary Clinton.

Trump won the primaries because he ran the most racist campaign of any candidate since George Wallace, and that inspired more Republican Primary voters to come out and vote for him in the primaries than any Republican Candidate in history. It is all about race. For crying out loud, Trump opened his campaign with a racist claim about Mexico sending over rapists and murders. He retweeted racist propaganda on numerous occasions. Claimed a judge could not be fair to him because the judge was Hispanic. The guy is the most beloved president of White Nationalists ever. What Trump did is he looked at a country that is rapidly changing in terms of demographics. He saw all these older white Republican base voters that were very uncomfortable with those changing demographics - the country becoming more racially diverse, more religiously diverse, less Christian and so on, and knew that if he appealed to their fears, he would have their strong support.

If the Democrats screw around an nominate a **** candidate, Trump will do the same thing again this year.

Winston said:

TBF killing Glass-Steagal was a pretty major ****up too.

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That was probably his biggest **** up ever. Even the Mises institute, as much as they hate the new deal lauded Glass Steagal as necessary.

Rogue Valley said:

Clinton was a terrible alternative to Trump. Trump is an EC president.

There's a reason why the GOP is doing everything possible to purge the voter rolls in select states.

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Then Lindsey came to understand that Trump does represent his party and he quickly fell into line. I once thought that not every Republican is a racist, but that every racist I knew was a Republican. Now I think anyone supporting Trump is a racist, which would include Lindsey.

MovingPictures said:

You are making this something that it is not.

Stop giving the American swing voter too much credit. They are not nearly as bright as the media paints them. In fact, most of them are astonishingly dumb.

Matt Pearce �� on Twitter: "Hard to overstate how unpredictable talking to voters can be: Melissa from Algona, Iowa, caucused for Bernie in 2016, then voted for a Trump; she supports Medicare for All but supports Buttigieg, but will likely vote for Trump again if Buttigieg doesn’t win the Dem nomination.… https://t.co/OfJrvqEQpq"


This is why these peoples should not be taken seriously. They vote entirely based on what side of the bed they wake up on.

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They have a rather astonishing ability to scoff at anything they dont personally experience too.

MovingPictures said:

You are making this something that it is not.

Stop giving the American swing voter too much credit. They are not nearly as bright as the media paints them. In fact, most of them are astonishingly dumb.

Matt Pearce on Twitter: "Hard to overstate how unpredictable talking to voters can be: Melissa from Algona, Iowa, caucused for Bernie in 2016, then voted for a Trump; she supports Medicare for All but supports Buttigieg, but will likely vote for Trump again if Buttigieg doesn’t win the Dem nomination.… https://t.co/OfJrvqEQpq"


This is why these peoples should not be taken seriously. They vote entirely based on what side of the bed they wake up on.

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I continue my lonely call for voters to have to pass the Citizenship Exam as part of the Registration process.

bomberfox said:

They have a rather astonishing ability to scoff at anything they dont personally experience too.

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I forget who said it, but someone once drew out a very good argument that much of America's problems re: our idiot voters is that Americans tend to assume that anything outside of their direct personal experience is simple, and that therefore failures to fix [simple thing] must be the result not of it's complexity and unavoidable terrible trade-offs, but rather malfeasance or idiocy among those charged with overseeing it.

cpwill said:

I continue my lonely call for voters to have to pass the Citizenship Exam as part of the Registration process.

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Brother, you got a friend in me on that.

cpwill said:

I forget who said it, but someone once drew out a very good argument that much of America's problems re: our idiot voters is that Americans tend to assume that anything outside of their direct personal experience is simple, and that therefore failures to fix [simple thing] must be the result not of it's complexity and unavoidable terrible trade-offs, but rather malfeasance or idiocy among those charged with overseeing it.

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I can see that.

bomberfox said:

I can see that.

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I like it because it bites both ways. For every Bernie Bro in 2020 who is sure that this time - This Time! - Bernie will be elected and then we will have Single Payer Because He Will....Do That Thing... That President's Do....And Stuff.... there was a Trump Fan in 2016 Really Sure that Trump Would Build That Wall And Mexico Would Pay For It... Because He Would.... Do That Thing... That President's Do.... And Stuff....

cpwill said:

I like it because it bites both ways. For every Bernie Bro in 2020 who is sure that this time - This Time! - Bernie will be elected and then we will have Single Payer Because He Will....Do That Thing... That President's Do....And Stuff.... there was a Trump Fan in 2016 Really Sure that Trump Would Build That Wall And Mexico Would Pay For It... Because He Would.... Do That Thing... That President's Do.... And Stuff....

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Yeah im a bernie fan though i look for people who will at least honestly try to deliver on what they promise, if they cant then its no biggie. I dont expect Bernie to get everything.

cpwill said:

I continue my lonely call for voters to have to pass the Citizenship Exam as part of the Registration process.

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Not that you don't have my support in the idea that many people are far less informed or sensible than they think they are.....

However, the funny thing about these tests is it never seems to be evenly applied to dumbass white voters, but will 100% impact the people who vote differently than the dumbass white voters.

Fiddytree said:

Not that you don't have my support in the idea that many people are far less informed or sensible than they think they are.....

However, the funny thing about these tests is it never seems to be evenly applied to dumbass white voters, but will 100% impact the people who vote differently than the dumbass white voters.

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Oh, don't get me wrong - I'm not talking about applying it to only some voters.

Pass the Test, vote in the federal election. Don't pass the test :shrug: feel free to try again.

Think of it like the Drivers Exam.

joko104 said:

The Tea Party was in McCain's election, not Trump's election.

There were many factors. Blue collar and industry job lose, with Clinton promising more permanent lay-offs.

Lose of jobs to China and other foreign sweatshop countries.

Obama ordering that boys can shower in girl's locker rooms and Democrats demanding that pedophile men can hang out with cell phone video cameras in remote park bathrooms and swimming pool changing rooms - merely by saying "I feel like a woman." (We delivered an unprecedented landslide win for Trump in Florida's Gulf Natural Coast region on that issue - and we are very much pro gay-rights and for SSM legalization.) Overall, transgender agenda of the Democratic Party - such as declaring all women's athletic awards now should go to males merely for claiming they feel like a girl is disastrous for the Democratic Party.

Open goal of taking everyone's guns away.

The sense that the government exists solely for the elitists.

Obama's disastrous foreign policy practices all over the world.

"Pigs in a blanket... What do we want? DEAD COPS! When do we want them? NOW!" and the overall attacks against the police.

NON-STOP attacking white people and Christians with every possible hate mongering slander and liable possible.

Hilary Clinton's past, her ego mania and her lazy campaigning.

It is difficult to win an election when your political party and candidates are ranting out personal attacks against over 80% of the voters.

The list is long. I do not see the former and defunct Tea Party as a factor at all.

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LMAO and THIS is a prime example of what the problem is and what will never be the solution. Blantant triggered unhinged dishonesty. The great part is nobody honest edcuated and objective buys it. Normal people just mock retarded lies lke this for what they are BUT theres so many nutters out there on both sides insanty like this gets the most traction because so many normal people simply dont care what false claims are out there or rally againt it and more and more extremists try to support these lies. SO sad but yet so entertaining at the same time!

When will Christian white males ever get a break in this country?!