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Republican party, change or die?

The GOP is dead. It ain't coming back. Hell, they may even attempt to change the name after 2020. My money says the people who helped kill the party - the Religious Right, the Tea Party, the QAnon, the Freedom Caucus, the Trumpublicans - will rename it the "Patriot Party". It won't make a damn bit of difference what they call it.

I doubt you can understand betting odds but the largest offshore gambling site has Trump the obvious favorite
to win in 2020. So, If you bet $100 on Trump to lose you'll get back your $100 plus $125 for winning the bet.
However if you feel Trump will win you'll have to fork out $145 to win $100. In other words Trump is the
significant favorite to win in November.

So if I were you I'd avoid such bombastic flourishes like "The GOP is dead. It ain't coming back.'
It assigns to you the attributes of ignorance. Trump has changed the entire spectrum of past voting patterns.

2020 US Presidential Election
Tue 11/10 101 Trump wins Presidential Election -145
7:55PM 102 Field wins Presidential Election +125
 
I considered myself a slight right lean until about 4 years ago. (some won't believe it but my post history here predates 2016 election). The Republican party has changed. They are no longer conservative. They are no longer a party with any morals or values. Some will say they never did, but the party has taken a disappointing turn. They adopted some minor pocket of peoples beliefs (minor but loud) about hate and decided they wanted to be victims. They gave up on what I valued in the Republican party. I hope that this iteration of the Republican party doesn't last. The Trump version that Republicans have adopted when they sold out to follow him is absolutely anti American and they are doing nothing than dividing and ruining our country. Trump and his worshipers that sold out their morals and beliefs are going to destroy America or be defeated entirely.
I think your chickens have all flew the coop, Kreton...

Right along with all your 'powers of observation'...
 
So back in 2012 the republican leadership got together to try to figure out why they were losing elections.

One of the big problems they observed is that minorities thought the republican party was against them, so minorities weren't voting republican. And as minority groups continue to grow and white groups continue to shrink, this was only going to get worse.

Do republicans need to change to survive?

LOL. Ummmmmmmmmm, Republicans went through a string from 2010- 2016 of having taken over 1000 seats away from Democrats.
 
I doubt you can understand betting odds but the largest offshore gambling site has Trump the obvious favorite
to win in 2020. So, If you bet $100 on Trump to lose you'll get back your $100 plus $125 for winning the bet.
However if you feel Trump will win you'll have to fork out $145 to win $100. In other words Trump is the
significant favorite to win in November.

Thank you for being so kind as to explain betting odds to me. Where would I have been without your help?

So if I were you I'd avoid such bombastic flourishes like "The GOP is dead. It ain't coming back.'
It assigns to you the attributes of ignorance. Trump has changed the entire spectrum of past voting patterns.

The GOP is dead. It ain't coming back. You sound as if you weren't old enough to vote a couple of decades ago. There differences of opinion as to when the GOP began to die. There are people, more than a few, who believe it began to die in the 60s, mid-60s. I can't argue with that.

Personally I have never spent a great deal of time wondering when the GOP began to die. I will tell you that in my case I was just about sick of it in the early 90s. Ralph Reed and his Christian Coalition pretty much destroyed the GOP for me. Newt Gingrich pretty much managed to insult the remaining part of my intelligence that Reed and his coalition of dominionists hadn't already insulted. I didn't completely leave the GOP at that point but I considered the LP in earnest. I found Libertarians to be much more informed and intelligent than what I was seeing in the GOP. That appealed to me.

For reasons I cannot recall I stayed with the GOP and voted for George W. against my better judgment. The party left me for good not long after W took office. I no longer related to the GOP and what it had become. It was on its death bed at that point. As I said earlier the Tea Party, the QAnon, the Freedom Caucus, the Trumpublicans finally killed the GOP.

Entities evolve. They go through life cycles and they die. Or as Willie Nelson says, nothing lasts forever except old Fords and a natural stone. I'm a bit surprised that you are a binary thinker, you being a mathematician and all. Evolution isn't binary. You'll notice that as you become older. Everything changes in time. The GOP isn't what it once was. You can call it whatever you want but that won't change what it has become. What you consider the GOP sucks like a bucket of ticks.

The GOP that once was, 40 or 50 years ago, is now dead. It was a long slow and often painful death, but now it is dead. Sooner than you think all the old white guys will be gone too. Younger Americans are not going to cotton to what you love in the GOP today.
 
The Republican party that was is dead already.

It'll continue in some form since the hatred that drove right wingers to claim Obama was really a secret muslim from kenya who hated America and was racist against white people drove them to vote for Trump, and will continue to drive them to say, do, support, and vote for disgusting (if not evil, in many cases) things.

I wrote this on another thread.

I was a republican growing up. The party no longer represents anything they claim they are about. Don't give me that they are moral upstanding citizens who just want lower taxes. They are in reality selfish self-entitled assholes who think that they deserve special treatment, because they got theirs, screw the rest of society, (most likely their children), and they can't deal with change. They'd rather just spend all day showing each other funny racist and politically incorrect jokes or listen to people who are likely criminals and at the least experts in anti-intellectualism on the airwaves. They feverishly use the constitution to back that practice up, but whenever someone actually tries to change things, or supports something they don't like, they cry life's not fair and they should just shut up.

Anyone who supports Trump needs to get their priorities straight or stop lying about what you support.
 
So back in 2012 the republican leadership got together to try to figure out why they were losing elections.

One of the big problems they observed is that minorities thought the republican party was against them, so minorities weren't voting republican. And as minority groups continue to grow and white groups continue to shrink, this was only going to get worse.

Do republicans need to change to survive?

Maybe they should do another Republican autopsy to see how how it all went wrong...

They will have to end the Republican party. There is nothing that will save them. I would invite every ‘moderate’ Republican to take the center-right corporate junk out of Democratic Party when Bernie wins, start a new party and then we can have a real battle of ideas. That’s my offer to the Republican Party and it’s a fair deal.
 
The grand ol party is dead! The voters are gone obviously! The democrats are popular because they already highjack the educational system! This republicans are outdated


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Thank you for being so kind as to explain betting odds to me. Where would I have been without your help?



The GOP is dead. It ain't coming back. You sound as if you weren't old enough to vote a couple of decades ago. There differences of opinion as to when the GOP began to die. There are people, more than a few, who believe it began to die in the 60s, mid-60s. I can't argue with that.

Personally I have never spent a great deal of time wondering when the GOP began to die. I will tell you that in my case I was just about sick of it in the early 90s. Ralph Reed and his Christian Coalition pretty much destroyed the GOP for me. Newt Gingrich pretty much managed to insult the remaining part of my intelligence that Reed and his coalition of dominionists hadn't already insulted. I didn't completely leave the GOP at that point but I considered the LP in earnest. I found Libertarians to be much more informed and intelligent than what I was seeing in the GOP. That appealed to me.

For reasons I cannot recall I stayed with the GOP and voted for George W. against my better judgment. The party left me for good not long after W took office. I no longer related to the GOP and what it had become. It was on its death bed at that point. As I said earlier the Tea Party, the QAnon, the Freedom Caucus, the Trumpublicans finally killed the GOP.

Entities evolve. They go through life cycles and they die. Or as Willie Nelson says, nothing lasts forever except old Fords and a natural stone. I'm a bit surprised that you are a binary thinker, you being a mathematician and all. Evolution isn't binary. You'll notice that as you become older. Everything changes in time. The GOP isn't what it once was. You can call it whatever you want but that won't change what it has become. What you consider the GOP sucks like a bucket of ticks.

The GOP that once was, 40 or 50 years ago, is now dead. It was a long slow and often painful death, but now it is dead. Sooner than you think all the old white guys will be gone too. Younger Americans are not going to cotton to what you love in the GOP today.

About 50 years ago Nixon won the election by over 18 million votes a record that still stands, he won 49 of the 50 states &
percentage wise won by a record 23%. I voted for Nixon for the 2nd time in 72 so your crystal ball failed you once more.

Nixon & Reagan kept the republicans the presidency for 20 of 24 years so IMO 1968 to 1992 was the high water marl of the
Republican party. Never voted for a Democrat but refrained from even bothering to vote in 2004, 2008 & 2012. The candidacies
of Bush #2 after his indulgence into Iraq & McCain & Romney were probably as foreign to my way of thinking as Obama so I passed.
Always leaned toward the forces of property & order so the republican party still seems like the best home for me.
After Trump, that is after 2024 I tend to agree with you that demographics will be at the at the forefront to fulfill
your prediction of the republican demise!
 
i don't think the republican party has changed that much but the democratic party changes almost daily in the agenda of pandering to their selected masses. If the democrats think thing like free stuff, diversity and pandering to minorities is going to win the presidency they are sorely wrong. What is going to win the presidency is the economy, jobs and not talking down to the masses. Straight talk and kept promises will attracts voters to their side in the 2019 election.
The party of either Bill Clinton, Obama or Hillary is no more.

the late great moderate, David Broder, noted that the Democrat party's main strategy was to balkanize America into warring ethnic special interest groups. He noted, one of the problems the democrats would face, is when pandering to one of these Democrat supporting special interest groups, pisses off another one. Example, in some areas, latinos are now the dominant Dem voting bloc, but the party continues to endorse members of the former dominant voting bloc-black candidates-for state and local office. Jewish voters and Blacks have been very loyal Democrat voters for decades, but black interests often conflict with Jewish interests.

The conflicts will be interesting to watch over the next few decades
 
So back in 2012 the republican leadership got together to try to figure out why they were losing elections.

One of the big problems they observed is that minorities thought the republican party was against them, so minorities weren't voting republican. And as minority groups continue to grow and white groups continue to shrink, this was only going to get worse.

Do republicans need to change to survive?

What organization doesn't have to change to survive and succeed? A Liberal/moderate like Bill Clinton could not even have a chance in the 2020 democratic primary. Todays minorities will be tomorrows majority. What will their desires be? Perhaps not is being offered by democrats today.
 
So back in 2012 the republican leadership got together to try to figure out why they were losing elections.

One of the big problems they observed is that minorities thought the republican party was against them, so minorities weren't voting republican. And as minority groups continue to grow and white groups continue to shrink, this was only going to get worse.

Do republicans need to change to survive?

Ironically, their best chance of 'surviving', is to hope and wait for all of the old, white entitled/privileged males to 'die' off.
 
So back in 2012 the republican leadership got together to try to figure out why they were losing elections.

One of the big problems they observed is that minorities thought the republican party was against them, so minorities weren't voting republican. And as minority groups continue to grow and white groups continue to shrink, this was only going to get worse.

Do republicans need to change to survive?

Just ignore the fact that minorities were not voting Republican in the first place tells the story(LOL)
 
RRRRRRight! Especially your eloquently phrased 'with Trump, all roads lead to Vladimir Putin'. Tell me, when did Russia become the boogeyman!

Maybe you should ask some older Republicans, like the ones who have already exited the GOP. Ask them why.
Ukraine elected who they elected, so your entire gish gallop about Ukraine is irrelevant to the Ukrainian electorate, because if it WAS relevant, Zelensky would not be their leader today.

Whataboutism doesn't answer what I put forth about Republicans destroying conservatism.
 
Better to stick with the party that embraces minorities.

Since when did your ilk believe that that's a worthy goal? :lol:
 
So back in 2012 the republican leadership got together to try to figure out why they were losing elections.

One of the big problems they observed is that minorities thought the republican party was against them, so minorities weren't voting republican. And as minority groups continue to grow and white groups continue to shrink, this was only going to get worse.

Do republicans need to change to survive?

In an ideal world, yes. They would need to jettison their fearmongering and get back to their roots.

But this is not an ideal world. The modern Republican party was molded by Nixon's Southern Strategy, and they've shown no signs of letting up.
 
From what i have seen at the trump rallies a good portion of that crowd attends Klan rallies too!

Been to a lot of Klan rallies, have you?
 
Maybe you should ask some older Republicans, like the ones who have already exited the GOP. Ask them why.
Ukraine elected who they elected, so your entire gish gallop about Ukraine is irrelevant to the Ukrainian electorate, because if it WAS relevant, Zelensky would not be their leader today.

Whataboutism doesn't answer what I put forth about Republicans destroying conservatism.


I'm older than you & 80% of Republicans I talk to are older republicans.
Those who supported Nixon & Reagan support Trump, those who favored Rockefeller,
Scranton & the original Romney perhaps do not. Anything else?
Quit pretending to know about something for which you had no actual knowledge.
Honestly I don’t know what your point is. If you are attempting to to contradict my post you’ve
made a very poor unskillful attempt.
 
I'm hoping that people like Joe Scarborough and Nicole Wallace form a new conservative party. They could call themselves the "Lincolnist Party".:mrgreen:

Lincoln was shot by a democrat..
 
So back in 2012 the republican leadership got together to try to figure out why they were losing elections.

One of the big problems they observed is that minorities thought the republican party was against them, so minorities weren't voting republican. And as minority groups continue to grow and white groups continue to shrink, this was only going to get worse.

Do republicans need to change to survive?

Yup. So do Democrats. That's sort of the nature of large institutions.
 
Not to worry. The Republican Party still has a role in this evolving nation.

By the end of this century, one of the current minority groups will choose the Republican Party to represent its interests, while the Democratic Party will be representing the new majority ethnicity.

Just be patient.
 
I was Republican for 30+ years, I can go on and on about why I no longer am Republican and list how much the Republican party has changed, for the worse, over the past 10 years or so.

But I'm not, I'll just sum it up with this: Ronald Reagan, a Republican who was seen as the conservative god and savior, couldn't get elected dog catcher nowadays in the reddest of red state, any red state.. Nowadays he'd been seen as a left of center moderate by 85% of the current Republican base. He'd be an outcast in today's GOP.
 
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