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Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

I personally feel transgender individuals are...

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talloulou said:
A lie a certain sect of society is trying to pass off as truth and anyone who points out the lie is an asshole.
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Don't be so hard on yourself. I'm sure with therapy and maybe some corrective surgery you too can be fixed.

talloulou said:
I think it's probably relatively harmless in most jobs, but teaching is another story. As far as I'm concerned a teacher teaching my preschooler that men can become women would be as offensive as teaching them all about God.
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:shock:
 
Kayleigh Katz said:
Oh, I see. Its like when the media tells me Britney Spears is important and I have to go along with it.

FWIW, I don't see where anyone has to "go along with it" but the more I think about it I'm intrigued by the idea of having sex with a man that used to be a woman. ;)
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It's not what it's cracked up to be. :3oops:
 
Lightdemon said:
There's a lot that we need to stop teaching, actually. There are plenty of lies that we tell our children, especially in elementary.
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Agreed. Teachers, in particular teachers of young kids, do hold a certain power over the children. It diminishes as the child grows but it's very strong when they're young. My kids think their teachers words are golden. If their teacher told them something was true and it wasn't I would have to work very hard to convince them the teacher was mistaken. Young children aren't equipped to respectfully disagree. Hell even as an adult I'm not very good at it.
 
jallman said:
Why end it? We're actually getting somewhere...:confused:
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Okay, if you insist. :mrgreen:

I just think that while the delusion the transexual suffers may be very real in his/her mind, it is not reality. Reality is that the DNA imprint and the physical morphology dictate an absolute biological sex. That biological sex defines the physical gender of the transexual.
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There are women who have XY chromosomes in their DNA, as well as men who have XX chromosomes in their DNA. Which do we use to define the gender? The DNA or the penis?

See, that's why I think it should be left for the individual to decide.

Now they may sexually identify in any way they like or adopt any gender role they feel comfortable with. All of that is abstract and more a construct of society than anything else. Fine. But I do not think it is good for anyone involved to indulge the idea that that the physical/biological gender is anything more or can be anything other than what it is.

If the transexual sexually identifies as an effeminate submissive who takes the passive position sexually with the male gender, then let them do that while wearing high heels for all anyone cares. It's their right, whatever.

But it is an affront to reason and to rational sensibilities to suggest that the transexual, despite surgeries, hormones, and a plethora of tolerance and compassion is anything different than the physical gender it has been since birth.
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Going on the same lines as the XY women and XX men, since Transsexuals are an anomaly just like them, how can we decide their identity for them?

What happens when even the biological gender is questionable?
 
Kayleigh Katz said:
Don't be so hard on yourself. I'm sure with therapy and maybe some corrective surgery you too can be fixed.


:shock:
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The way the world is going nothing short of a frontal lobotomy is gonna help me muster up the amount of tolerance and PC-ness necessary to march along with the others. :cool:
 
Lightdemon said:
Okay, if you insist. :mrgreen:



There are women who have XY chromosomes in their DNA, as well as men who have XX chromosomes in their DNA. Which do we use to define the gender? The DNA or the penis?

See, that's why I think it should be left for the individual to decide.



Going on the same lines as the XY women and XX men, since Transsexuals are an anomaly just like them, how can we decide their identity for them?

What happens when even the biological gender is questionable?
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I think that we might be arguing from two different fronts. I don't care what their identity is. Their identity is a matter of perception. Let anyone identify sexually any way they want because another reality is that it doesn't matter whether you let them or not, sexual identity is going express itself because it is one of the basest instincts in man. However, I don't think it's wise to try and alter realities to match identities that cross over into delusion.
 
talloulou said:
The way the world is going nothing short of a frontal lobotomy is gonna help me muster up the amount of tolerance and PC-ness necessary to march along with the others. :cool:
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Oh well, whatever it takes. ;)
 
1069 said:
Details?
Tell about it in the basement, if not here.




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I don't care, I've told it before. It happened back in Alaska and there was a lot, I mean a lot, of snow and alcohol involved. I hadn't actually been in Alaska very long and I went out to this bar called Darwin's Theory where I met another guy who had just gotten officially discharged that day and was all free to do whatever he wanted. So we ended up with a ball and were doing rails right on the table there at Darwin's and drinking a stack of Guinesses before we left and went to the gay bar Mad Myrna's (the guys wasn't gay, he was just pretty cool and we went to see the drag show).

Now I'm like plowed and wide eyed...really wide eyed...and we're hanging out at the bar and this really really cute guy came and sat down beside me. I don't normally go for younger, waifish looking guys, but this one was adorable in a mischievous kinda way. I never saw it coming.

We ended up back at my place and lights are off, at his insistence, and we're all making out groping and stuff and pants come off and I realize that it's really not right...something's just not right. I kinda think it's maybe the intoxicants in my system so I just try to shake it off and its not happening. So I pull back and say I want to have a cigarette and slow it down a little...when I light the cig lighter...IT WAS HORROR. It was PURE HORROR. It was a mishapen scar with a nipple. I backed away kinda slow, partially because I was being polite and partially because I was keeping my eye directly on it so I knew where it was at all times.

And the "guy" says, "I hope it's alright...everyone knows, I thought you did too."

I don't even know how to describe how awkward that situation became. I didn't know how to get across that it would've been ok with some notification just for the pure novelty of it, which, consequently, I is why I ended up doing it anyway after the initial shock and some time to say "hmmmm"...But it was a nightmare. It took me about 30 minutes to get over the total mind**** that caused before I could retrieve my libido and get back to business.
 
jallman said:
We ended up back at my place and lights are off, at his insistence, and we're all making out groping and stuff and pants come off and I realize that it's really not right...something's just not right.
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"Not right" how?
Did you see his actual dick?
What did it look like?
 
jallman said:
I think that we might be arguing from two different fronts. I don't care what their identity is. Their identity is a matter of perception. Let anyone identify sexually any way they want because another reality is that it doesn't matter whether you let them or not, sexual identity is going express itself because it is one of the basest instincts in man. However, I don't think it's wise to try and alter realities to match identities that cross over into delusion.
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I don't care what their identity is either.

I just think it starts with the mind, which allows everyone to have a different perception. That (sexual) perception is independent of the body, imo.

And since I don't care what their identity is, it doesn't matter to me if they want to alter their reality.
 
1069 said:
"Not right" how?
Did you see his actual dick?
What did it look like?
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It looked like something you would see extend from an insect...it wasn't right. Plus he kept kinda shifting it away from me like he didn't want me to see it which, in my intoxicated stupor, I took as playing hard to get which makes me very aggressive. But something kept telling me not to just pin him and find out...that maybe I should just let this one go.
 
Kayleigh Katz said:
I would have been so all over it. I'm sort of an experience junkie. :3oops:
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Well, I was. After the shock wore off a little and another shot of Wild Turkey. I figured if everyone knew what I left the bar with, the torment from them was coming anyway and if that was the case, I was at least gonna own it.
 
Yeah, I would've been. You only live once.
So, like, did it get erect?
I'm just wondering if it was an actual sewn-on dick (which I've heard via the grapevine is made out of rolled-up flesh taken from the patient's butt or thigh; I guess an internet search could confirm). In which case it wouldn't've gotten erect.
If it did get erect, it was probably some sort of modified clit.
 
jallman said:
Well, I was. After the shock wore off a little and another shot of Wild Turkey. I figured if everyone knew what I left the bar with, the torment from them was coming anyway and if that was the case, I was at least gonna own it.
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That's actually pretty dangerous for him to be doing that. I mean, it seems to me he came on to you, and he may have even picked you out specifically because you didn't know.

A classmate of mine told me a story where she was being hit on by a guy, and he seemed like a real nice guy too, but as soon as she told him that she was actually a dude, the real nice guy turned out to be pretty violent. He basically threatened her life, and made her swear to never tell anyone, as if he would know about it. :roll:

The stupid thing about it was that he was the one who came onto her.
 
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1069 said:
Yeah, I would've been. You only live once.
So, like, did it get erect?
I'm just wondering if it was an actual sewn-on dick (which I've heard via the grapevine is made out of rolled-up flesh taken from the patient's butt or thigh; I guess an internet search could confirm). In which case it wouldn't've gotten erect.
If it did get erect, it was probably some sort of modified clit.
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I wouldn't say it got hard. A little firmer but not hard. And it didn't grow. But I wasn't really interested in it anymore because he had a perfect little bubble butt that was very appealing.
 
Lightdemon said:
That's actually pretty dangerous for him to be doing that. I mean, it seems to me he came on to you, and he may have even picked you out specifically because you didn't know.

A classmate of mine told me a story where she was being hit on by a guy, and he seemed like a real nice guy too, but as soon as she told him that she was actually a dude, the real nice guy turned out to be pretty violent. He basically threatened her life, and made her swear to never tell anyone, as if he would know about it. :roll:

The stupid thing about it was that he was the one who came onto her.
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I don't see any reason to get violent over sex. I mean, except when you're having violent sex. I was kind of embarassed by the shock that I showed and that it took me half an hour to get my libido to cooperate with my curiosity.
 
jallman said:
I wouldn't say it got hard. A little firmer but not hard. And it didn't grow. But I wasn't really interested in it anymore because he had a perfect little bubble butt that was very appealing.
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Your intellectual curiosity is astounding.
That's like saying you saw a real live unicorn, but you weren't really all that interested in it because you were distracted by the gorgeous monarch butterfly perched on its horn.
Everybody has an f'ing butt.
You had a chance to see something rare, and you "weren't interested".
That's just... sort of infuriating.
 
1069 said:
Your intellectual curiosity is astounding.
That's like saying you saw a real live unicorn, but you weren't really all that interested in it because you were distracted by the gorgeous monarch butterfly perched on its horn.
Everybody has an f'ing butt.
You had a chance to see something rare, and you "weren't interested".
That's just... sort of infuriating.
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10, I'd already seen it and it wasn't appealing. At all. It was like scar with a nipple. And the guy was there for sex, not my morbid fascination with his...stuff. And frankly, I was drunk and it was 5AM and I wanted to be sleeping by 7.
 
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jallman said:
10, I'd already seen it and it wasn't appealing. At all. It was like scar with a nipple. And the guy was there for sex, not my morbid fascination with his...stuff. And frankly, I was drunk and it was 5AM and I wanted to be sleeping by 7.
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WTF? 2 hours for sex? Is that normal?
 
Stace said:
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Yeah about that...sorry I reported you earlier Lightdemon. I went all jfuh on you in my own special way. :2wave:

Seriously...sorry.
 
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