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Transgendered. Insane or Misunderstood?

I personally feel transgender individuals are...

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Dezaad said:
How many of the people against gender reassignment have actually read any credible articles discussing the subject?
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I have...oh wate, I support gender reassignment, never minde :2wave:
 
Gipper said:
What would that change? Do you think some piece of literature defeats the simple truth that those people are f'ed up? You may as well be defending some other form of psychosis, like "oh it's perfectly natural for a 42 year old man to want to run around wearing a diaper and sucking a pacifier".

Trannies are "mentally disturbed" at minimum, and most likely sociopathic.
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See, this is the kind of post that gives evidence to your position being obtuse. You, pretty directly, say that you will ignore evidence and information and, instead, stay with your own non-substantiated opinion. You have nothing to base this on, except your own bias, and choose to reject credible information, instead going with an opinion that has no basis in anything, other than, what must be concluded as bigotry.

This is, also, why positions such as these are irrelevant.
 
Dawud said:
All homos are mentally ill pukes.

Transgendered homos are just another kind of pervert
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Moderator's Warning:
Folks, pay no attention to the loser trolls that have no clue. Besides, it won't be bothering use for a while.
 
The line between "mental disorder" and "having an unusual personality" is very fine. I don't presume to know whether or not they're mentally disturbed. But it certainly is very weird. I completely understand that some people may prefer to act, dress, and think of themselves as the opposite gender; whatever floats their boat. But no matter how hard I try, I just cannot fathom actually wanting to change one's genitals.
 
Kayleigh Katz said:
I'll go in a different direction. I don't care if they are crazy or sane, they are suffering and we have a means of providing a measure of relief, therefore they should be allowed to pursue it and society shouldn't give them any grief for it.
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So if Bill thinks he is also Jim,James, and Bob then we should give Bob birth certificates and I.D.s for Jim,James and Bob as a quick fix to make him feel better instead of actually having some real therapy(which might take longer) that could cure him of his mental disorder?
 
I,m glad the polls going well:lol:

Paul.
 
A guy from 400 years ago who didn't wash doesn't seem normal to me. However, somehow he thought he was normal. Who is in the right? Am I? Or is he? My mother doesn't like to wear make up. My wife does. Which one is normal? The question and possible answers are so empty of real detail it's hard for me to answer in an educated manner.

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As far as people who want to change sex are concerned, I think it is very possible based on what we know about the human brain and even more based on what we don't know for a person who was mentally born a man to be born into a woman's body and vise versa. Why not?
 
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There's nothing wrong with it as far as I'm concerned. I have a very good friend who is a pre-op tranny at the moment, he hasn't been able to afford the surgical portion, but he's had the hormone treatments and I have to say, he's a hell of a lot happier as a person now than he ever was when his outlook on life was male. He used to be suicidal and miserable, like he was disgusted being in his skin, now he's thrilled to be alive and once he actually becomes a she, he'll be even happier.

Why would I care if that's what he wants?
 
Cephus said:
There's nothing wrong with it as far as I'm concerned. I have a very good friend who is a pre-op tranny at the moment, he hasn't been able to afford the surgical portion, but he's had the hormone treatments and I have to say, he's a hell of a lot happier as a person now than he ever was when his outlook on life was male. He used to be suicidal and miserable, like he was disgusted being in his skin, now he's thrilled to be alive and once he actually becomes a she, he'll be even happier.

Why would I care if that's what he wants?
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Oh god, won't somebody please think of the children??? :mrgreen:
 
See, this is the kind of post that gives evidence to your position being obtuse. You, pretty directly, say that you will ignore evidence and information and, instead, stay with your own non-substantiated opinion. You have nothing to base this on, except your own bias, and choose to reject credible information, instead going with an opinion that has no basis in anything, other than, what must be concluded as bigotry.

This is, also, why positions such as these are irrelevant.
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You act as if the psychological community's word is law. Their theories on the matter of transexuals is merely a load of sophistry and a violation of parsimony. Some things don't require overly complex explainations for it to make sense and this is one of them. They are simply quite disturbed and there is no reason to believe otherwise.

I also find it quite ironic that people will use the psychological community's previous perspective on homosexuality as an example of traditionalist misclassifications but will turn right around and champion their current opinion on transexuals. So basically, the psychological community has been known to make mistakes but when they agree with me then they must be right.

Moreover, I consider psychology on the whole a loose field of study. It's a transient discipline that merely reflects the perceptions of contemporary society. I do not feel psychology is a truly valid classification system.
 
You gotta be crazy to want to chop off your weiner.
 
1069 said:
People can survive in all sorts of ****ed-up conditions: no arms and legs, faces rotting off, giant tumors growing out of their heads. Just look at developing nations, the stuff people manage to survive for decades with.

A transexual person has survived in a grotesquely malformed body for decades: since birth, to be precise (which is to their credit, and points to their fundamental psychological fitness and health).
But every day has undoubtedly been a torture. One does not "get used to" hideous deformities.
One might live with them, but I'm sure one never loses hope that somehow, someday, one will be "fixed", freed from said deformity.
One gets up each day in a deformed body; one drags oneself through the days, because there is no choice, no immediate solution.
No one could thrive under such circumstances; their loathing of their bodies and their discomfort in them no doubt colors every minute of their lives.

Sex reassignment surgery in such cases is as humane as separating conjoined twins, as reasonable as removing a giant esophageal tumor that is slowly strangling off the person's breath.
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I just don't know what to say about you.
 
Ethereal said:
You act as if the psychological community's word is law. Their theories on the matter of transexuals is merely a load of sophistry and a violation of parsimony. Some things don't require overly complex explainations for it to make sense and this is one of them. They are simply quite disturbed and there is no reason to believe otherwise.

I also find it quite ironic that people will use the psychological community's previous perspective on homosexuality as an example of traditionalist misclassifications but will turn right around and champion their current opinion on transexuals. So basically, the psychological community has been known to make mistakes but when they agree with me then they must be right.

Moreover, I consider psychology on the whole a loose field of study. It's a transient discipline that merely reflects the perceptions of contemporary society. I do not feel psychology is a truly valid classification system.
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Again, the direction in which you place the disorder is very important. Depending on which direction it is placed, that determines how the disorder should be resolved.

A man who wants to be a woman, who feels like a woman, who thinks he's a woman. How do you resolve this problem? Do you convince the man that he's a man, or do you allow him to be who he wants to be? Which resolution will be most positive? The one in which will make the man happier, or the one which will make the man hate himself even more?

The disorder is not that the man is confused that he isn't a man. The disorder is that the person is a woman trapped in a man's body. Again, the direction in which you place the disorder is very important.
 
American said:
I just don't know what to say about you.
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I'm sick of personal attacks from you.
I have reported your post, and suggested to the administrative team that some effort be made to address your baiting and your lack of substantial contribution to any discussion, ever.

I'm not sure why you're here, why you'd think that this is a reasonable expenditure of your time; hanging around an internet forum where your only contribution is "I just don't know what to say", or "Pathetic, isn't it?"

I cannot fathom how utterly bereft of meaning your life must be, to consider this sort of low-key trolling a valid use of two and a half years of your life.
It's unbelievable that you've been here since March of 2006 and have yet to contribute anything of value to these boards.

I would seriously suggest that the administrators examine the entire body of your contributions to this forum, and contemplate whether or not your so-called "input" is something that we actually need here at DP forum.
 
That's rich.:lol:
 
1069 said:
Do you have some contribution to make to the discussion at hand?
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Not really. I've followed on the other thread that spawned Ethereal's thread here. I agree with him for the most part.

I just found your assessment of American comment worthy. Your lack of insight concerning the irony amuses me.
 
Not really.
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If you have nothing to add to the discussion, then why are you posting in this thread?
 
1069 said:
If you have nothing to add to the discussion, then why are you posting in this thread?
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Are you modeling after jfuh?:rofl
 
Felicity said:
Are you modeling after jfuh?:rofl
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Several conservative forum members seem to have a vested interest in derailing this thread.
I'm wondering why that is.
This issue is an important one to me, and I'd like to continue the discussion in a serious vein. Many people have contributed valuable input.
If you have nothing to contribute, I'd prefer you not post here.
There is a place on this forum designated for jokes, insults, and snotty asides.
This is not it, though.
 
1069 said:
Several conservative forum members seem to have a vested interest in derailing this thread.
I'm wondering why that is.
This issue is an important one to me, and I'd like to continue the discussion in a serious vein. Many people have contributed valuable input.
If you have nothing to contribute, I'd prefer you not post here.
There is a place on this forum designated for jokes, insults, and snotty asides.
This is not it, though.
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Do I care what you prefer? Ahhhhh...no.


Having an opinion other than yours is not derailing. Between the two threads on the topic, the track you're on is trying to accuse others who don't hold your opinion of being somehow threatened by mentally ill people. Pah-leez...your post 35 is something relevant? NOT.:roll:
 
American said:
I just don't know what to say about you.
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I do. I just don't want to leave the mods in the unpleasant position of deciding which one has to give me an infraction for saying it. :mrgreen:
 
Ethereal said:
A conversation I'm having in the education forum has spawned an interesting question. How do you view transgendered people? Now, this isn't asking how society should treat them only how you personally view them.

For instance, I think anyone who undergoes a sex-change operation is mentally disturbed, but I support their freedom to have that operation and to be free of harrassment and to a lesser extent discrimination (I have some issues with their employment when children are involved), but you understand the disctintion.
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ONLY KNOWN one transgendered person. I could not tell from the outside that the person was transgendered. he was a good worker, and could carry an intelligent conversation. I personally don't care much or have much concern over this issue.
 
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American and Felicity. Cease the personal attacks and get back to the topic.
 
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