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Is Trump an example of democracy in action?

Is Trump an example of democracy in action?

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  • Yes, Trump is an example of democracy in action

    Votes: 13 38.2%

  • No.

    Votes: 21 61.8%
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So none of the rich and powerful wanted Trump. They all backed Jeb Bush. They gave Jeb Bush a war chest of over two billion dollars, but Trump beat Jeb.

Trump's backers are the people worried about globalization, their jobs moving overseas and yes, immigration is part of globalization too. These people voted, and their guy won.

Democracy in action?
 
Since democracy involves a government of the people, by the people and for the people - the mechanism that installed Trump overrides and flushes the will of the people as expressed in their vote against him. So the easy answer is NO - Trump is not at all democracy in action.
 
Trump's a well meaning guy who loves his country. They all sucked up to him even Oprah until he defeated Hillary and then he became worse than Hitler in their world.


Trump cameo:

 
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haymarket said:
Since democracy involves a government of the people, by the people and for the people - the mechanism that installed Trump overrides and flushes the will of the people as expressed in their vote against him. So the easy answer is NO - Trump is not at all democracy in action.
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So we wont have democracy until we get rid of the electoral college and by extension the senate since it also gives smaller states an equal say in how they are governed. Seems many no longer want a United States of america, just sort of a collection of states ruled by a central government. Sort of the new world version of the EU.

Just as the EU is ruled defacto by Germany so would your version of our country be ruled by California and to a lessor extent New York.
 
Yes, sadly Trump is "democracy in action". He won the vote mostly fair & square. GOP voter repulsion & gerrymandering helped, but the process was legit. If he wins again, it is because my fellow citizens desire him. It's going to be hard to forgive you guys, trust me!
 
swing_voter said:
So none of the rich and powerful wanted Trump. They all backed Jeb Bush. They gave Jeb Bush a war chest of over two billion dollars, but Trump beat Jeb.

Trump's backers are the people worried about globalization, their jobs moving overseas and yes, immigration is part of globalization too. These people voted, and their guy won.

Democracy in action?
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Trump failed because he has done nothing to curb H-1B visa program and outsourcing by corporations and he has lacked in E Verify enforcement.
 
swing_voter said:
So none of the rich and powerful wanted Trump. They all backed Jeb Bush. They gave Jeb Bush a war chest of over two billion dollars, but Trump beat Jeb.

Trump's backers are the people worried about globalization, their jobs moving overseas and yes, immigration is part of globalization too. These people voted, and their guy won.

Democracy in action?
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Yeah, probably. I voted yes.

Now don't get me wrong: I am no Trump fan. I DO think he personally poses a threat to the system of democracy that got him into office. But one of the things about Democracy is that the people get to decide what they want (I know he didn't win the popular vote, but he won by the rules of the game we had all agreed to. If we the people don't like the rules, we could change them too later if we really wanted to). If later the people decide they have had enough and made a mistake, well they can go back and change their mind, hoping the damage has not been irreversible.

But there's the problem. The main concern with Trump is that he is undermining the very system that got him into power in the first place, to make sure he holds on to power, ie, he threatens to call the election illegitimate if he doesn't win, or threatens to sic the "second amendment types" on the American people if he doesn't win, or makes deals with foreign governments to get involved in domestic elections in his favor, etc...

That could potentially be a problem. If the people come to eventually feel they may have made a mistake, but they can't go back and fix it... well that's going to make this an irreversible mistake- a much bigger problem. Now THAT's when we might need to seriously consider the "second amendment types" to step in.
 
Chomsky said:
Yes, sadly Trump is "democracy in action". He won the vote mostly fair & square. GOP voter repulsion & gerrymandering helped, but the process was legit. If he wins again, it is because my fellow citizens desire him. It's going to be hard to forgive you guys, trust me!
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But by the same token, the democratic majority that was elected in the house as a result of the 2018 midterm election are also a product of democracy in action
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
But by the same token, the democratic majority that was elected in the house as a result of the 2018 midterm election are also a product of democracy in action
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Yes, fair point and thanks for cheering me up! :mrgreen:
 
swing_voter said:
So none of the rich and powerful wanted Trump. They all backed Jeb Bush. They gave Jeb Bush a war chest of over two billion dollars, but Trump beat Jeb.

Trump's backers are the people worried about globalization, their jobs moving overseas and yes, immigration is part of globalization too. These people voted, and their guy won.

Democracy in action?
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Citation?

How Jeb Bush Spent $130 Million Running for President With Nothing to Show for It - The New York Times
 
Trump is an example of the fallacy of the Electoral College.
 
Trump is an example.
 
Chomsky said:
Yes, sadly Trump is "democracy in action". He won the vote mostly fair & square. GOP voter repulsion & gerrymandering helped, but the process was legit. If he wins again, it is because my fellow citizens desire him. It's going to be hard to forgive you guys, trust me!
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You totally forgot to mention Russia. The FBI estimated that Russian fake adds made it to over 125M people in 2016. Given they were designed to help Trump and given he only won the three states by less than 80,000 votes, I would say yes, there is a huge possibly that Russia swayed the election.
 
We don't have a democracy. Trump was a symptom of populist angst, but he's not a populist, his election wasn't democratic, and he shows no inclination to move in a democratic direction.

He thrives on the adulation of the minority who support him. He spends his fitful hours trying to get around the will of the duly elected legislators who nominally represent the majority who oppose him.
 
Trump's election did represent a tremor, and possibly a slight setback, for the standard moneyed interests who control America's policy-making. Those forces got complacent and didn't take Trump seriously as a symptom of the populist angst. So, in that way, Trump's supporters had a greater effect than voters usually do. But the moneyed power-brokers quickly rallied. Trump makes them nervous sometimes, but they're still getting perks they want and blocking most things which would disadvantage them. They can't block all of Trumps chaos, but they're protected, and Trump's chaos is not democracy. Farmers and manufacturers here in the heartland wish Trump wasn't using them as pawns in his trade wars but they're trying to keep a stiff upper lip and support him as subjects support a beloved king. Not as participants in a democratic process.
 
No. An election in which a minority of voters selects the head of state is never democratic.
 
The AntiDonald said:
You totally forgot to mention Russia. The FBI estimated that Russian fake adds made it to over 125M people in 2016. Given they were designed to help Trump and given he only won the three states by less than 80,000 votes, I would say yes, there is a huge possibly that Russia swayed the election.
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What about Russian influence on forums such as these? The way some of the posters fight to be right all the time, even though the information they expound is obviously wrong, with nothing to back it up. But they say it over and over and over because that type of behavior seems to influence feeble minds. At least that's what it seems like to me. I may be wrong about the Russian influence part, but I am amazed at how ill informed many posters here are, spewing junk that isn't true, wanting to force people to think it's true, just to keep Trump in office.

I've been a member of other forums for a lot of years and the ones on this forum who fight for their right to be wrong is incredible.
 
Cardinal said:
No. An election in which a minority of voters selects the head of state is never democratic.
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A minority of voters that get more and more extreme and deluded by the day, but are still extremely powerful.

Nothing bad could happen... Right?
 
Cardinal said:
No. An election in which a minority of voters selects the head of state is never democratic.
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Well, if that head of state won more votes than any of his opponents, then it's possible for the election to have been democratic.

Which of course did not happen here, so back to "no".
 
Jetboogieman said:
A minority of voters that get more and more extreme and deluded by the day, but are still extremely powerful.

Nothing bad could happen... Right?
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If the founding fathers could see that a state becoming more and more depopulated made it more powerful, I think they would have gone back to the drawing board.
 
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Cardinal said:
If the founding fathers could see that a state becoming more and more depopulated made it more powerful, I think they would have went back to the drawing board.
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I think if they saw a black man in the presidency they would have as well so...
 
Cardinal said:
If the founding fathers could see that a state becoming more and more depopulated made it more powerful, I think they would have went back to the drawing board.
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The Godawful electoral college was devised to get the rich land owners on board to form one Union.

It was not designed because anyone thought it was the best idea to let hillbillies tell the productive states how to live.
 
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