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With Impeachment, have the Democrats abused their power?

With Impeachment, have the Democrats abused their power?

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There is no crime...

... have Democrats bused their power?

Oh yes.

No.
 
zimmer said:
There is no crime...

... have Democrats bused their power?

Oh yes.

No.
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Well, Obviously the Democrats feel there was a crime
 
Yes, there were multiple crimes Trump has even publicly admitted to and at least half a dozen of his closest associates are sitting in prison after being convicted for serious crimes.
 
Luther said:
Well, Obviously the Democrats feel there was a crime
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Agreed, at the same time, the charges that they are pressing don't really have much of a criminal feel to them. I maintain my argument that this is all a sideshow to get people from seeing how ****ty their noms are (at least partially).
 
zimmer said:
There is no crime...

... have Democrats bused their power?

Oh yes.

No.
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Had Obama done what Trump did, Zimmer would have been advocating that Obama immediately be put in jail. But since Zimmer posts nothing but partisan garbage, we know his comments are completely hypocritical. Zimmer is the typical trump support, Trump before America. He hates America and loves Trump above all like his own little god.
 
Praxas said:
Had Obama done what Trump did, Zimmer would have been advocating that Obama immediately be put in jail. But since Zimmer posts nothing but partisan garbage, we know his comments are completely hypocritical. Zimmer is the typical trump support, Trump before America. He hates America and loves Trump above all like his own little god.
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Such a good little fascist miion...One who would gladly fall upon the sword for his Napoleon. If only Trump could get a blowjob that would be a real crime worth prosecuting over.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Yes, there were multiple crimes Trump has even publicly admitted to and at least half a dozen of his closest associates are sitting in prison after being convicted for serious crimes.
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Process crimes unrelated to anything the President did. Why is this fact always left out?
 
Praxas said:
Had Obama done what Trump did, Zimmer would have been advocating that Obama immediately be put in jail. But since Zimmer posts nothing but partisan garbage, we know his comments are completely hypocritical. Zimmer is the typical trump support, Trump before America. He hates America and loves Trump above all like his own little god.
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Irony Avalanche Warning
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Yes, there were multiple crimes Trump has even publicly admitted to and at least half a dozen of his closest associates are sitting in prison after being convicted for serious crimes.
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Why aren't these mentioned in connection with impeachment?
 
zimmer said:
There is no crime...

... have Democrats bused their power?

Oh yes.

No.
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Well, they have the power to do what they are doing. Exercising the power that they have can't be called abuse.

Have they abused the process the Constitution grants them?

Without question.
 
ocean515 said:
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Oh look, how childish of a post from you, even has emoticons like you think it's clever, how precious of you con. Sad that you can't even admit you are a con and have to hide it by putting "other" when we know you are Trump before country. Have you saluted your Trump cutout this morning like a good little fascist con?
 
Praxas said:
Had Obama done what Trump did, Zimmer would have been advocating that Obama immediately be put in jail. But since Zimmer posts nothing but partisan garbage, we know his comments are completely hypocritical. Zimmer is the typical trump support, Trump before America. He hates America and loves Trump above all like his own little god.
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Officer, he was speeding too. Yep, that's an excuse for sure.

As for the poll, see, it all depends on the question to rig a poll. I think the Dems had every right to do what is within their power. Is what they are doing politically motivated? Absolutely
 
Lovebug said:
Officer, he was speeding too. Yep, that's an excuse for sure.

As for the poll, see, it all depends on the question to rig a poll. I think the Dems had every right to do what is within their power. Is what they are doing politically motivated? Absolutely
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Yeah it has NOTHING to do with Trump's corrupt actions, it is just alllllllll political sure. :roll: Poor poor Trump is just a victim of the big bad liberals huh? Cry me a river over Trump's poor poor situation that he got himself in.
 
Praxas said:
Oh look, how childish of a post from you, even has emoticons like you think it's clever, how precious of you con. Sad that you can't even admit you are a con and have to hide it by putting "other" when we know you are Trump before country. Have you saluted your Trump cutout this morning like a good little fascist con?
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LOL

"....posts nothing but partisan garbage, we know his comments are completely hypocritical."

:2wave:
 
ocean515 said:
LOL

"....posts nothing but partisan garbage, we know his comments are completely hypocritical."

:2wave:
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Yes, that is you and Zimmer to a tee. Thank you for admitting it con that you and Zimmer's comments are partisan garbage and hypocritical. I understand though you are embarrassed to list yourself as a con. And look, more cute emoticons from you, how precious.
 
zimmer said:
There is no crime...

... have Democrats bused their power?

Oh yes.

No.
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What does crime have to do with impeachment. Impeachment, as defined by the founding fathers, is a political process. You should maybe sit down and read your constitution and learn about these things before you try and discuss them.
 
ocean515 said:
Process crimes unrelated to anything the President did. Why is this fact always left out?
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What is a process crime?

The two articles of imipeachment that were passed today are directly related. The only fact being left out is how many Republican Senators agree with Mitch McConnell.
 
ocean515 said:
Well, they have the power to do what they are doing. Exercising the power that they have can't be called abuse.

Have they abused the process the Constitution grants them?

Without question.
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Dershowitz has been out there saying this impeachment is not according to the Constitutional powers that are delegated, and he's something of an intelligent lawyer.

In any case, the Federalist Papers make it pretty clear the impeachment power was not supposed to be used for political disagreements. It sure feels like that's what this is to me. It all has a Stalinesque "show me the man and I'll show you the crime" feel. It doesn't help that they've been squealing about impeachment since election day, long before any of the stuff they're supposedly impeaching him for happened.
 
diz said:
Dershowitz has been out there saying this impeachment is not according to the Constitutional powers that are delegated, and he's something of an intelligent lawyer.

In any case, the Federalist Papers make it pretty clear the impeachment power was not supposed to be used for political disagreements. It sure feels like that's what this is to me. It all has a Stalinesque "show me the man and I'll show you the crime" feel. It doesn't help that they've been squealing about impeachment since election day, long before any of the stuff they're supposedly impeaching him for happened.
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Impeachment, as laid out in the constitution, is a purely political process.

And from Federalist 65:

A well-constituted court for the trial of impeachments is an object not more to be desired than difficult to be obtained in a government wholly elective. The subjects of its jurisdiction are those offenses which proceed from the misconduct of public men, or, in other words, from the abuse or violation of some public trust. They are of a nature which may with peculiar propriety be denominated POLITICAL, as they relate chiefly to injuries done immediately to the society itself. The prosecution of them, for this reason, will seldom fail to agitate the passions of the whole community, and to divide it into parties more or less friendly or inimical to the accused. In many cases it will connect itself with the pre-existing factions, and will enlist all their animosities, partialities, influence, and interest on one side or on the other; and in such cases there will always be the greatest danger that the decision will be regulated more by the comparative strength of parties, than by the real demonstrations of innocence or guilt.
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Redress said:
Impeachment, as laid out in the constitution, is a purely political process.

And from Federalist 65:
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Wow, it appears you got the right quote but interpreted exactly wrong.

When Hamilton says:

in such cases there will always be the greatest danger that the decision will be regulated more by the comparative strength of parties, than by the real demonstrations of innocence or guilt.

He's saying that's a BAD thing. Something they did not want to happen.

He was arguing for real demonstrations of innocence or guilt.
 
Mr. Invisible said:
Agreed, at the same time, the charges that they are pressing don't really have much of a criminal feel to them. I maintain my argument that this is all a sideshow to get people from seeing how ****ty their noms are (at least partially).
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I want him to win a second term, but I worry they attempt assassination. Nothing would surprise me with these psychopaths.
 
Mr. Invisible said:
Agreed, at the same time, the charges that they are pressing don't really have much of a criminal feel to them. I maintain my argument that this is all a sideshow to get people from seeing how ****ty their noms are (at least partially).
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I've reached pretty much the same opinion at this point.

Trump's phone call to the Ukrainian President was highly questionable and I believe there was some wrongdoing on his part, but I'm not sure if it warrants outright impeachment.

There is not a single dem running at this point who I can fully support. Ever since Trump won in 2016, they've been attempting to find any kind of dirt on him and get him out of office. It all comes down to bitterness and sour grapes over the election. Not that Trump is a phenomenal outstanding leader of any kind, but he won fair and square.

If there was any kind of criminal intent on Trump's part then he should absolutely be impeached, but I'm not quite ready to jump to this conclusion just yet.
 
diz said:
Wow, it appears you got the right quote but interpreted exactly wrong.

When Hamilton says:

in such cases there will always be the greatest danger that the decision will be regulated more by the comparative strength of parties, than by the real demonstrations of innocence or guilt.

He's saying that's a BAD thing. Something they did not want to happen.

He was arguing for real demonstrations of innocence or guilt.
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The rule of evidence is still needed, but he is saying it is a political process, not a legal one. There is alot of confusion on impeachment by people of both sides, nearly to the extent of the electoral college(which I swear everyone here gets wrong).
 
bradt99 said:
I want him to win a second term, but I worry they attempt assassination. Nothing would surprise me with these psychopaths.
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If anybody wanted to attempt an assassination Trump would already be dead. He is the real psychopath.
 
bradt99 said:
I want him to win a second term, but I worry they attempt assassination.
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You seem to be secretly hoping that that happens. :shock:
 
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