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Is it legal to kill US citizens overseas without due process?

Is it legal to kill US citizens overseas without due process?

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The Bill of Rights, the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution states: Americans may not be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.

The Fifth Amendment creates a number of rights relevant to both criminal and civil legal proceedings. In criminal cases, the Fifth Amendment guarantees the right to a grand jury, forbids “double jeopardy,” and protects against self-incrimination. It also requires that “due process of law” be part of any proceeding that denies a citizen “life, liberty or property” and requires the government to compensate citizens when it takes private property for public use.

Fifth Amendment | U.S. Constitution | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute
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The amendment has zero footnotes, no secret memoranda, and there have been no exceptions made.

Is it legal to kill US citizens overseas without due process?

To be discussed is... if it is illegal for a President to do so, would violating the 5th Amendment be impeachable?
 
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zimmer said:
The Bill of Rights, the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution states: Americans may not be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.



The amendment has zero footnotes, no secret memoranda, and there have been no exceptions made.

Is it legal to kill US citizens overseas without due process?

To be discussed is... if it is illegal for a President to do so, would violating the 5th Amendment be impeachable?
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If it comes down to a choice of an American citizen...overseas...killing me or me killing them, I'll take the latter every time.
 
zimmer said:
The Bill of Rights, the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution states: Americans may not be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.



The amendment has zero footnotes, no secret memoranda, and there have been no exceptions made.

Is it legal to kill US citizens overseas without due process?

To be discussed is... if it is illegal for a President to do so, would violating the 5th Amendment be impeachable?
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Depends on the situation.
 
Moonglow said:
Not if they take up arms against the US.
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But look at the case of Anwar al-Awlaki. He hadn't taken up arms against the US and was mainly a propagandist for AQ. He was killed in a drone strike without due process as were his son and daughter. It wouldn't be hard to try someone in absentia.
 
zimmer said:
The Bill of Rights, the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution states: Americans may not be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.



The amendment has zero footnotes, no secret memoranda, and there have been no exceptions made.

Is it legal to kill US citizens overseas without due process?

To be discussed is... if it is illegal for a President to do so, would violating the 5th Amendment be impeachable?
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Obviously not as President Obama was not impeached.
 
President Obama had federal national security law amended to allow him to secretly order the death or summarily total isolation imprisonment anyone, including Americans, while he was president, with no legal process whatsoever if the president decides that person is an threaten to the safety of the United States or otherwise poises a danger. No prior President had such authority.

No, it is not an impeachable offense. It is not an offense at all. The only offense would be if the White House kept this secret and someone exposed it publicly. Technically, in federal law a president can order the deaths and summary secret and indefinite imprisonment of as many Americans as s/he wants to. This used to only apply to foreign enemy combatants.

Even Rachel Maddow tried, unsuccessfully, to voice opposition to President Obama taking this power, which then is available to all presidents - hoping Democrats would oppose and protest this. Literally, President Obama could order the summary execution of Americans and Democrats would still vote for him - because they did.
 
I expected Leftists, the party which is greatly against the death penalty, to come in and vote no.

Seems they think it’s OK to off an American overseas without due process.

Late term abortions I guess.
 
Mr. Invisible said:
But look at the case of Anwar al-Awlaki. He hadn't taken up arms against the US and was mainly a propagandist for AQ. He was killed in a drone strike without due process as were his son and daughter. It wouldn't be hard to try someone in absentia.
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He propagated the use of violence against the US which makes him guilty of treason.
 
Moonglow said:
He propagated the use of violence against the US which makes him guilty of treason.
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Ahhh... “due process”???

It does not eliminate the right to it.
 
zimmer said:
Due process???
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That is negated when said citizen decides to take up arms against the US and is in the enemies zone of operation acting as a hostile agent. Why don't you people clearly state the intention of your redress and complaints. Are you pissed a US citizen aided and abetted the state of war against the US? Are you pissed that Oblama and the DOD did it? Are you pissed because you are a Muslim sympathizer? Can you clarify your reasons?
People die on the streets almost daily by police officers that kill citizens without due process are you pissed off about that also?
 
Moonglow said:
That is negated when said citizen decides to take up arms against the US and is in the enemies zone of operation acting as a hostile agent. Why don't you people clearly state the intention of your redress and complaints. Are you pissed a US citizen aided and abetted the state of war against the US? Are you pissed that Oblama and the DOD did it? Are you pissed because you are a Muslim sympathizer? Can you clarify your reasons?
People die on the streets almost daily by police officers that kill citizens without due process are you pissed off about that also?
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^^ unhinged
 
Moonglow said:
That is negated when said citizen decides to take up arms against the US and is in the enemies zone of operation acting as a hostile agent. Why don't you people clearly state the intention of your redress and complaints. Are you pissed a US citizen aided and abetted the state of war against the US? Are you pissed that Oblama and the DOD did it? Are you pissed because you are a Muslim sympathizer? Can you clarify your reasons?
People die on the streets almost daily by police officers that kill citizens without due process are you pissed off about that also?
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The 5th doesn’t negate your rights... it protects them. Read the Op... again...

But for argument sake... let’s for a second claim you’re right... not all took up arms.

Seeing as nobody is above the law, and Obama assassinated a US citizen... well... perhaps it is time for some legal action to send Obama to prison.

If citizens are killed by cops unjustifiably, there is always due process. Cops do go to prison too.
 
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zimmer said:
The 5th doesn’t negate your rights... it protects them. Read the Op... again...

But for argument sake... let’s for a second claim you’re right... not all took up arms.

Seeing as nobody is above the law, and Obama assassinated a US citizen... well... perhaps it is time for some legal action to send Obama to prison.
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So you finally admit to the true nature of your actions.....You don't want the president protecting the US...
 
zimmer said:
The Bill of Rights, the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution states: Americans may not be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.



The amendment has zero footnotes, no secret memoranda, and there have been no exceptions made.

Is it legal to kill US citizens overseas without due process?

To be discussed is... if it is illegal for a President to do so, would violating the 5th Amendment be impeachable?
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What makes you ask?
 
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