What is the worst thing Trump has done?

babalu said:

I made your question the subject of a new discussion.

If you would like a credit for inspiring the topic, let me know.

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https://www.debatepolitics.com/gene...ging-mistakes-us-has-made.html#post1070975150

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Thanks, I posted a thought there.

babalu said:

Unless you can inform me of any exceptions.

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Years ago I had occasion to meet with some former Soviet political prisoners who had lived in the US for a while. One of their observations was that there was one advantage in living in Russia: “at least we knew that the government was bull****ting us.”

One of our civic flaws is a tendency among some towards an “our **** doesn’t stink” patriotism. Ask Indians, Central Americans, Vietnamese, Chileans, Dominicans, Cubans, etc. The US has done a lot of good and a lot of evil.

babalu said:

I saved Atty Gen. William Barr's lecture to the Federalist Society's 2019 National Lawyers Convention to use whenever a Dem says the treatment of Trump is the same as the treatment of Obama.

Specifically, Part A. where he also mentions the term used by Dems for their "Resistance."




Attorney General William P. Barr Delivers the 19th Annual Barbara K. Olson Memorial Lecture at the Federalist Society's 2019 National Lawyers Convention | OPA | Department of Justice

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Good to hear from an unbiased source, Trump’s Roy Cohn, speaking bravely to a hostile crowd.

When one is reviled by the public, rightly or wrongly, the desire is often there to become as correct as possible in everything else one says or does in the future in order to gain vindication or to make up for one's more infamous noteworthy words or deeds.

So, the challenge left to us is to look closer to mine the truth from those individuals.

Example.

In the lead up to WWII, Lucky Lindy, the celebrated aviator who was the first to make a transatlantic solo nonstop crossing by air in 1927 and whose life was hit by the tragic kidnapping and murder of his infant son, came out against the US becoming at all involved in the building war in Europe against the Nazis.

He became persona non grata among many for this.

Well, guess what?

During WWII, Charles Lindbergh managed to make his way to the South Pacific theater of war as a civilian technical adviser to the US Army Air Corps (precursor to the US Air Force).

There, he was treated as a respected civilian and afforded the courtesy of an Army officer and more than equal among flying equals.

He went on several missions and patrols, shot up land and sea targets and iinm, shot down at least one Japanese plane.

Most notably, his technical advice was instrumental in helping our P-38 Lightning pilots (in the famous aircraft known by the enemy as the "Twin Tailed Devil") extend their flying range by several hundreds of miles.

This advance made possible the air intercept and shoot down of Japanese Admiral Yamamoto, the mastermind of the Pearl Harbor attack.





I have long believed Lindbergh did this in part, to make up for his pre-Pearl Harbor anti-war stance.

What does Trump say about his relationship and the counsel he received from Cohn?

Or are you a superficial person who cant be bothered with detail?

(By the way, I invite any factual corrections to this post.)

Nickyjo said:

Years ago I had occasion to meet with some former Soviet political prisoners who had lived in the US for a while. One of their observations was that there was one advantage in living in Russia: “at least we knew that the government was bull****ting us.”

One of our civic flaws is a tendency among some towards an “our **** doesn’t stink” patriotism. Ask Indians, Central Americans, Vietnamese, Chileans, Dominicans, Cubans, etc. The US has done a lot of good and a lot of evil.

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If you are a parent or know any parents well enough to gain their candor, they might tell you that they were far from perfect in that role.

But did they love their kids?

Mostly yes, except when they wanted to kill them.

LOL

To apply that idea to government is not altogether wrong.

Our government officials usually and generally do what they do to help make America better for Americans.

The problem, unless the officials are trying to illegally or immorally help themselves or harm others, rests with what they understand to be true.

That is why fake news is so harmful.

People make decisions based on what they believe to be true.

If the info they have is fake they can make bad or wrong decisions.

If the person doesn't stay up to date with new developments they can make bad decisions.

If their own calculations are part of their decision making but they have bad knowledge, bad advice or bad judgment they can make bad decisions.

beefheart said:

It took you how many days to come up with that weak attempt?

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Actually I just ran across your post. Almost laughed at the irony in it, and then realized how sad it was that you didn't realize just what it was you're saying.

Hence, why I posted a reply.

Think before you post next time, and it might save you the embarrassment.