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    Who does pre-enlistment military physicals? A military doctor or the potential enlistee?

    There are hundreds of messages across 3 years by Democrats on this forum that claim that enlistees do their own physical examination and tell the military whether they passed their self exam or not. From this, they rant Trump is a "draft dodger" (though loved true draft dodge Bill Clinton) because he repeatedly failed the medical exam.

    Do you agree with the Democratic Party's claim that it is the enlistee, not the military, who does military pre-enlistment exams and determine whether the person passes or not? Do you agree with the Democrats on this forum and the Democratic Party that any potential enlistee or draftee does their own physical exam and is how decides whether they pass or not?

    I said that is the most transparent incessant lie - and that everyone knows is a lie. Many Democrats on this forum claim enlistees do their own physical exams.

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    Re: Who does pre-enlistment military physicals? A military doctor or the potential enlistee?

    Explain how the draft for the Vietnam worked obtained anyone since everyone can just tell the military "I examined myself and determine that I failed the medical so you can't draft me based upon my own enlistment standards." ?

    They are also claiming the military can not reject anyone for medical reasons, since they claim the military doesn't make that decision.

    Why didn't they let my kid in the military do that? It took almost 3 months for the military to bring in a military doctor to waive physical issues disqualifications.

    That is the fact-claim of the Democratic Party about Trump.

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    Re: Who does pre-enlistment military physicals? A military doctor or the potential enlistee?

    I literally can not recall a single time anyone ever made the claim that recruits do their own physicals and provide them to the Military recruitment stations.

    But because Joko's reality is not the same as the rest of ours I'll just go ahead and clear things up. When you are going through the recruitment phase of enlistment, one of the very first things you do is provide all of your medical records you can get your hands on. While you do get a physical from a government employed doctor, they're very broad and generalized unless the recruit has directly informed the medical staff of prior injuries and illnesses. Especially during the Vietnam era, MEP stations were going to be too busy to do complete checkups on every Joe passing through. It's completely plausible that prior to the medical review process, Fred Trump bribed one of his tenants to give Donald Trump a medically disqualifying injury to duck the draft.
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    Re: Who does pre-enlistment military physicals? A military doctor or the potential enlistee?

    A Doctor examined me when I joined the service. On the other hand, IF my father would have been extremely wealthy, I'm sure a good reason to not go into the service would have magically appeared.
    In short, same as other things in life. Poor=Take your medicine and suck it up.. Rich=Take your Ferrari and have a wonderful time.

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    Re: Who does pre-enlistment military physicals? A military doctor or the potential enlistee?

    As CM said I can't recall one person on DP saying that a recruit provides his/her own physical prior to enlistment.

    During Vietnam you reported as directed to the induction center closest to you where draftees and enlistees of every branch of service were processed in exactly the same manner. There was no distinction.

    Basically you stood up when they told you to stand up and you sat down when they told you to sit down. You quickly learned not to say a word unless you were asked to. All inductees were subjected to the standard military screaming, eye rolling and feigned anger (the anger was more likely frustration as civilians trying to act like military are a pitiable and pathetic sight).

    First we were handed standard forms to complete - as we were directed. If one of the sergeants or corporals discovered you had gotten ahead of everyone on else in filling out the forms they stopped everything and went completely berserk because no one had yet told you to go to the next line on the form. Next, about 40 of us stumbling and confused, were herded into a big room for our physical. As I recall there were two doctors and a couple of medics conducting the mass physical.

    Lined up with our backs to the 4 walls we were told to take our shirts off, in unison, etc. Toward the end of the physical we were ordered to drop our pants and underwear and face the center of the room while the docs went from man to man and looked at our dangling bits. We were instructed to cough at the appropriate time as well.

    Nothing was private or confidential. I remember one doc loudly asking a recruit where his other ball was and when was the last time he had two balls.

    We were then told to face the wall bend over and grab both cheeks of our ass. We each waited with butt cheeks in hand until the doc stuck his finger up our butts. I don't know if the doc changed rubber gloves or not. Seems like he didn't.

    As all this was happening an E-6 sat at a desk in the center of the room eating a banana sandwich and drinking a Coke.

    After the physical people with medical issues were herded into another room. I remember a corporal screaming across the room, "Who's the guy in here with one nut? Raise your hand. Whose got one ball? You? OK, you follow those guys" (the ones with the medical issues).

    I have no idea how those guys were processed.

    After the paperwork was completed, more yelling and eye rolling, we were told to stand up where upon we raised our right hands and swore the oath, "...I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic..." and that was that. At that very moment ,your butt belonged to Uncle Sam until your separation from the service.

    That is the way it worked when I processed in. I remember it well as I didn't enjoy it at all.

    You may have noticed from the above, Joko, that there was little, very little, individualized anything. Most everything in the induction process is done in unison, the military way. The military does not like the civilian way of doing things and for good reason. The military will make the final determination as to whether an inductee is qualified or not.

    So, Joko, you are wrong. There have never been hundreds of Democrat veterans on DP making horse **** claims "that enlistees do their own physical examinations".
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    Re: Who does pre-enlistment military physicals? A military doctor or the potential enlistee?

    Come on guys and gals! If the OP says it happened it must have happened just they way they said it did! I have not seen any such claims in the short time I have been here but it must be true, the OP is above reproach!
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    Re: Who does pre-enlistment military physicals? A military doctor or the potential enlistee?

    Oh.

    I do know that if the draft were reinstated you would see a military doctor for your physicals.

    I do know I have no doubt Obese Donald got a daddy shopped doctor deferment once he could no longer hide behind the academics WALL.
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    Re: Who does pre-enlistment military physicals? A military doctor or the potential enlistee?

    Quote Originally Posted by HIP56948 View Post
    A Doctor examined me when I joined the service. On the other hand, IF my father would have been extremely wealthy, I'm sure a good reason to not go into the service would have magically appeared.
    In short, same as other things in life. Poor=Take your medicine and suck it up.. Rich=Take your Ferrari and have a wonderful time.
    Yeah, I always loved how right near the end of the Vietnam War the draft got "fair".
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    Re: Who does pre-enlistment military physicals? A military doctor or the potential enlistee?

    The first stop for new recruits after the recruiter's office is the MEPS (military entrance and processing station).
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    Re: Who does pre-enlistment military physicals? A military doctor or the potential enlistee?

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    As CM said I can't recall one person on DP saying that a recruit provides his/her own physical prior to enlistment.

    During Vietnam you reported as directed to the induction center closest to you where draftees and enlistees of every branch of service were processed in exactly the same manner. There was no distinction.

    Basically you stood up when they told you to stand up and you sat down when they told you to sit down. You quickly learned not to say a word unless you were asked to. All inductees were subjected to the standard military screaming, eye rolling and feigned anger (the anger was more likely frustration as civilians trying to act like military are a pitiable and pathetic sight).

    First we were handed standard forms to complete - as we were directed. If one of the sergeants or corporals discovered you had gotten ahead of everyone on else in filling out the forms they stopped everything and went completely berserk because no one had yet told you to go to the next line on the form. Next, about 40 of us stumbling and confused, were herded into a big room for our physical. As I recall there were two doctors and a couple of medics conducting the mass physical.

    Lined up with our backs to the 4 walls we were told to take our shirts off, in unison, etc. Toward the end of the physical we were ordered to drop our pants and underwear and face the center of the room while the docs went from man to man and looked at our dangling bits. We were instructed to cough at the appropriate time as well.

    Nothing was private or confidential. I remember one doc loudly asking a recruit where his other ball was and when was the last time he had two balls.

    We were then told to face the wall bend over and grab both cheeks of our ass. We each waited with butt cheeks in hand until the doc stuck his finger up our butts. I don't know if the doc changed rubber gloves or not. Seems like he didn't.

    As all this was happening an E-6 sat at a desk in the center of the room eating a banana sandwich and drinking a Coke.

    After the physical people with medical issues were herded into another room. I remember a corporal screaming across the room, "Who's the guy in here with one nut? Raise your hand. Whose got one ball? You? OK, you follow those guys" (the ones with the medical issues).

    I have no idea how those guys were processed.

    After the paperwork was completed, more yelling and eye rolling, we were told to stand up where upon we raised our right hands and swore the oath, "...I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic..." and that was that. At that very moment ,your butt belonged to Uncle Sam until your separation from the service.

    That is the way it worked when I processed in. I remember it well as I didn't enjoy it at all.

    You may have noticed from the above, Joko, that there was little, very little, individualized anything. Most everything in the induction process is done in unison, the military way. The military does not like the civilian way of doing things and for good reason. The military will make the final determination as to whether an inductee is qualified or not.

    So, Joko, you are wrong. There have never been hundreds of Democrat veterans on DP making horse **** claims "that enlistees do their own physical examinations".

    Loved the trip down memory lane. I went through Oakland induction center. I had enlisted just two weeks before the “Greetings” letter caught up with me in Basic. This was late 1972 and people were actively trying to get out of serving. I have always had foot issues. I was never the fastest runner, but I was by no means the slowest either. The doc looked at my feet and rubbed his chin and said, “ I don’t know...” I told him, “doc, you don’t understand, I am trying to get into “this man’s army!”

    After all the poking and prodding we were assembled in a large room with those folding grey chairs laid out in uniform rows. We were there most of the afternoon and there were soda and snack machines available. As four inductees/enlistees were shuttled through the small office, where the oath was administered, the rest of the bunch littered the floor and got the chairs all out of alignment.

    Late in the afternoon, after the last of us had been sworn in, the E-7 got up on the stage and in no uncertain terms, told us to pick up our trash and get his god damn chairs back in alignment, as he now owned our asses!
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