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    Re: Criminalizing Fake News/Propaganda

    So I guess the conclusion is that it really can't happen. The good thing is that enough of us seem to be aware of the problem and if they watch MSM it's for entertainment purposes. There are more and more independent credible news sources emerging and it's getting harder and harder to silence them all.
    There are none so blind as those who choose not to see....

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    Re: Criminalizing Fake News/Propaganda

    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post
    So I guess the conclusion is that it really can't happen. The good thing is that enough of us seem to be aware of the problem and if they watch MSM it's for entertainment purposes. There are more and more independent credible news sources emerging and it's getting harder and harder to silence them all.
    Could you name some independent credible news alternatives to MSM.

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    Re: Criminalizing Fake News/Propaganda

    No. This is a bad proposal because it means others get to decide what is not fake news, someone like Trump or AOC, who would almost certainly call any news they find to be wrong or simply presenting them poorly as fake news.

    Be a grown up, and decide for yourself what is not completely being truthful or being misleading.

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    Re: Criminalizing Fake News/Propaganda

    Quote Originally Posted by weaver2 View Post
    Could you name some independent credible news alternatives to MSM.
    Breitbart, Drudge Report, Wikileaks, Guardian, and all conspiracy theory sites.
    There are none so blind as those who choose not to see....

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    Re: Criminalizing Fake News/Propaganda

    1. A liberal (liberal!) magazine article reports that Dean Baquet, the editor of the New York Times, recently told staffers that the newspaper has decided to "reframe" the history of this country around slavery and its consequences.

    2. This article says that "[T[he duty of an honest reporter is to shun precisely the fictive convenience provided by a frame."

    *****

    It is incredible that anyone would want to read that rag, IMHO. It is nothing but political pornography.


    The article is entitled "The Medium Is the Mistake" by David Bromwich in the December 5, 2019, (print) edition of the New York Review of Books, pages 10-12.

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    Re: Criminalizing Fake News/Propaganda

    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post
    This is what I meant but a lot of people here think that what I meant was the government censoring what is allowed and what is not. What I was saying was that there should be some consequence for the times they get caught blatantly lying and manipulating as in the example I gave. If they just get to apologize and move on then there is no deterrent for it. I never said the content should be regulated, just deliberate lies when it is obvious and can be proven they deliberately lied and was not a mistake. Nothing more than that although some pointed out that this would open the door for the government to escalate it to unreasonable things. That's a good point. We'll never have a government honest enough to be able to do that.

    I watch CNN just so full of **** though and I just can't help but to fantasize them getting slapped with a penalty of having to have a fiction disclaimer in the corner of the screen that would be removed if they go 60 days without getting caught again! Lol
    I agree with you on CNN. They are just about the worst, posing as a flagship news organization for the United States, but really only furthering a certain political ideology. In that light, I suppose everyone in the 20's and 30's called the Völkischer Beobachter a "newspaper", and even today it's still referred to as a "newspaper".

    Propaganda is not news, period.
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    Re: Criminalizing Fake News/Propaganda

    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post
    "News" in this country is (and has been for awhile now) arguably the no.1 problem above everything else because without the honest and unbiased reporting of facts for the information grid, the nation is crippled when it comes to remedying the issues. If we're not being supplied the truth, solutions are useless. Dealing with this matter becomes a delicate situation because it needs to be resolved while leaving the first amendment intact and unscathed.

    Here is an example of a proposal to remedy the highly underrated dilemma that really needs to be escalated to the forefront:

    If you bill yourselves as an informational SOURCE OF NEWS events in this country and are caught aiding in the staging of events or deliberately misguiding the public by engaging in one of the various methods of deceptive reporting, consequences will be in effect. These could range from a warning for the first violation, to restrictions on the airing of the program such as a disclaimer in the corner of the screen that warns the viewer that the information they are receiving may be fiction. On the radio the disclaimer could be an announcement before and after each commercial.
    Continued violations or more serious scandals could end up in loss of news agency license or even criminal prosecution. This would all be incumbent only to those actually billing themselves as reporters of NEWS in this country. This is just an example. If anybody has any other ideas I'd like to hear them because, as I said, this is a very delicate situation when it involves both the government and the 1st amendment, but the bottom line is SOMETHING needs to be done.
    I like the idea of using a free market solution since fake news is all about making money and power. The NYT was about to go belly up, when Trump took office. Fake news about Trump allowed them to regain market share. it is that simple. There are enough people out there who like this that it is lucrative.

    One free market solution is look at fake news from the POV of 20/20 hindsight since fake news can be affective in real time; sensationalism, but it will not stand the test of time.

    For example, we could go back 1 year, and revisit the news from that day one year ago. We had a year for all to things to pan out and therefore we now have an objective platform, anyone can see. We then rate each news organization and their news personalities and give a grade ranging from 5-stars all the way to blithering moron.

    This rating listing will be given to all the stations and news personalities, and all have to post it each day, they begin news programming. The audience can then choose to stay or leave depending on their tastes. If they seek the best sources, these will be identified. If they want entertainment from morons, this map will tell them. This will allow the free market to reward and punish, with each station changing to get market share. Each day we ho back one year which may change the ratings.

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    Re: Criminalizing Fake News/Propaganda

    I had great difficulty hitting the No button.
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    Re: Criminalizing Fake News/Propaganda

    None or next to none have any credibility any more. You'd have to incarcerate the entire profession...
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    Re: Criminalizing Fake News/Propaganda

    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post
    Breitbart, Drudge Report, Wikileaks, Guardian, and all conspiracy theory sites.
    None of those are reputable or impartial.


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