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Warren’s Very Good Transition Plan. Good idea?

Warren’s Very Good Transition Plan. Good idea?

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Opinion | Warren’s Very Good Transition Plan - The New York Times


So Elizabeth Warren has pivoted from Bernie's "medicare for all" to Buttigieg's "medicare for people who want it."

The Bernie Bros are calling out for her blood, seeing her as a traitor to the cause.

Do you think this is a good strategy for Warren? As I understand it, the government would create an insurance company who would sell health insurance to anyone who wanted it. This company would be big enough to buy medical services at reduced prices as it would have a lot of bargaining power.

There are a lot of "what if's" though.
 
swing_voter said:
Opinion | Warren’s Very Good Transition Plan - The New York Times


So Elizabeth Warren has pivoted from Bernie's "medicare for all" to Buttigieg's "medicare for people who want it."

The Bernie Bros are calling out for her blood, seeing her as a traitor to the cause.

Do you think this is a good strategy for Warren? As I understand it, the government would create an insurance company who would sell health insurance to anyone who wanted it. This company would be big enough to buy medical services at reduced prices as it would have a lot of bargaining power.

There are a lot of "what if's" though.
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The government competing with private enterprise is NEVER a good idea.
 
swing_voter said:
Opinion | Warren’s Very Good Transition Plan - The New York Times


So Elizabeth Warren has pivoted from Bernie's "medicare for all" to Buttigieg's "medicare for people who want it."

The Bernie Bros are calling out for her blood, seeing her as a traitor to the cause.

Do you think this is a good strategy for Warren? As I understand it, the government would create an insurance company who would sell health insurance to anyone who wanted it. This company would be big enough to buy medical services at reduced prices as it would have a lot of bargaining power.

There are a lot of "what if's" though.
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Warren will flip-flop which ever way the polls blow. Bernie had a lot of popularity, so she tried to usurp his platform. Now Buttigieg is surging, so she's trying to usurp his platform.

Warren has no platform or philosophy of her own, all she can do is steal whatever happens to be popular at the time. She's a political shape-shifter.

Warren is as trustworthy as Trump.
 
swing_voter said:
Opinion | Warren’s Very Good Transition Plan - The New York Times


So Elizabeth Warren has pivoted from Bernie's "medicare for all" to Buttigieg's "medicare for people who want it."

The Bernie Bros are calling out for her blood, seeing her as a traitor to the cause.

Do you think this is a good strategy for Warren? As I understand it, the government would create an insurance company who would sell health insurance to anyone who wanted it. This company would be big enough to buy medical services at reduced prices as it would have a lot of bargaining power.

There are a lot of "what if's" though.
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I'm not sure this is the pivot you think it is, because it is clearly and decisively a concrete transition to singlepayer, whereas in the case of Buttigieg it is only a possible bridge with no truly defined end game.
 
I trust Bernie WAAAYYY more than Warren on M4A, it's not even a close contest. That said, of course there will be a transition under any plan.

I hope Dems eliminate the filibuster and steam roll as much progress as they can. Break every single rule they have to and primary any Dem who won't play ball.
 
Dans La Lune said:
I trust Bernie WAAAYYY more than Warren on M4A.
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I mean, you can make that statement in general, not just related to M4A. Warren is status quo Corporate Republocrat. She'll say and do anything to get into power, but you have no clue as to what will happen once she's in power. That's why she's trying to steal Buttigieg's line now. He's been gaining steam and she wants in.
 
Ikari said:
Warren will flip-flop which ever way the polls blow. Bernie had a lot of popularity, so she tried to usurp his platform. Now Buttigieg is surging, so she's trying to usurp his platform.

Warren has no platform or philosophy of her own, all she can do is steal whatever happens to be popular at the time. She's a political shape-shifter.

Warren is as trustworthy as Trump.
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Every Democrat has the same platform: increase coverage and affordability, improve the functioning of the health system.
 
tacomancer said:
UPS and Fedex are doing just fine.
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The USPS didn't begin to compete with those two companies. In fact, it's the other way around. The USPS began because there was NO industry to provide mail service. Furthermore, the USPS is mandated by the Constitution.

None of that applies within this health care insurance topic.
 
Mycroft said:
The USPS didn't begin to compete with those two companies. In fact, it's the other way around. The USPS began because there was NO industry to provide mail service. Furthermore, the USPS is mandated by the Constitution.

None of that applies within this health care insurance topic.
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The USPS doesn't compete with Fedex or UPS, but its the other way around? So Fedex and UPS compete with USPS?

What?
 
Greenbeard said:
That's why I like her. She's smart.
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LOL. If this is actually true, it means she is a top notch flipper. And, a liar. She is lying, knowing full well that she can use this to get elected and then afterwards pivot to MFA, not MFA who want it.
 
Moderate Right said:
LOL. If this is actually true, it means she is a top notch flipper. And, a liar. She is lying, knowing full well that she can use this to get elected and then afterwards pivot to MFA, not MFA who want it.
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I never understood why its bad for candidates to update their platform. People who learn from information are who we want in charge.
 
Gaius46 said:
In a free market I’d likely agree. Healthcare isn’t a free market.
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But, on the other hand, for profit companies cannot possibly compete with a government that can print money at will. That's why companies can't sell certain items below a certain cost to drive out the competition and leave only themselves standing. And, you can't institute a policy or law of minimum prices whereby one of the business actually makes those laws. Talk about a conflict of interest!
 
Dans La Lune said:
I trust Bernie WAAAYYY more than Warren on M4A, it's not even a close contest. That said, of course there will be a transition under any plan.

I hope Dems eliminate the filibuster and steam roll as much progress as they can. Break every single rule they have to and primary any Dem who won't play ball.
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Only thing is MFA has no chance of actually passing. Even many Democrats would not vote for it, including Nancy herself. It is a fantasy plan.
 
tacomancer said:
I never understood why its bad for candidates to update their platform. People who learn from information are who we want in charge.
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LOL. When Trump updates his platform you call him a liar.
 
Moderate Right said:
They are apples to the orange we are talking about. UPS and FedEx can't possibly mail a letter from Florida to Hawaii for 55 cents.
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Isn’t your post cute?


You think that the carrier drops everything and sends one letter to it’s destination?

They send a bag/box full or even larger quantities of correspondence at a time.
 
Moderate Right said:
Only thing is MFA has no chance of actually passing. Even many Democrats would not vote for it, including Nancy herself. It is a fantasy plan.
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The goal is to make opposition to Medicare For All politically untenable. Remember, Nancy Pelosi was originally for single-payer before politics put her through the meat-grinder. Joe Manchin would definitely lose the argument to Bernie Sanders in West Virginia, etc.
 
Ikari said:
Warren will flip-flop which ever way the polls blow. Bernie had a lot of popularity, so she tried to usurp his platform. Now Buttigieg is surging, so she's trying to usurp his platform.

Warren has no platform or philosophy of her own, all she can do is steal whatever happens to be popular at the time. She's a political shape-shifter.

Warren is as trustworthy as Trump.
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I mostly agree that Warren is simply trying to creep away (evolve?) from her M4A position since she was forced to admit how expensive it would be. The Buttigieg "plan" is to give (100%?) taxpayer funded (aka "free") medical care insurance to "those who want it". IMHO, that is an even worse idea, but it is a clever ploy to keep anyone from possibly knowing how much it would cost - are we talking about 10M, 20M, 40M, 200M or 330M people opting for the Buttigieg "plan"?
 
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