would you vote to repeal the 2nd ammendment

I've been engaging with a poster that believes the 2a should be repealed. So, what say you? Would you vote to repeal the 2nd amendment? yes or no

Vote in what manner? When will the average citizen who is not an office holder vote on anything of such importance as changing the US Constitution?

I don't understand the purpose of repealing it. The Supreme Court decides how to interpret the Constitution. If a poster believes that the Conservative court's interpretation was wrong they could hope for a Liberal court to take up the issue.

The Second Amendment is poorly written. It's much too ambiguous - it needs to be written clearly so we don't need a Court to tell us what it means.

Here's my proposed Amended amendment:

The Right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. . . Ever. . . I'm totally serious. . . Any lawmaker who infringes on this Right shall be punished to the full extent of the Law.

Voted no... but given where we are today against the intention of the 2nd Amendment way back then, it is well overdue for an update.

No and I do not see that being put to a popular vote, but if it was I would suggest changing "shall not be infringed" to "shall not be abridged or denied".

i'd probably support an update with about fifty fewer commas and maybe a specification that howitzers, bioweapons, and nuclear bombs aren't covered.

mrdeltoid said:

I've been engaging with a poster that believes the 2a should be repealed. So, what say you? Would you vote to repeal the 2nd amendment? yes or no

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Wishing it repealed is an acknowledgement that the 2A is an individual right. That "pesky Second Amendment", as one liberal legal scholar put it.

haymarket said:

Vote in what manner? When will the average citizen who is not an office holder vote on anything of such importance as changing the US Constitution?

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That wasn't the question.

The question didn't ask would someone, as an average citizen, vote. It was just simply, would "you" vote.

What are you afraid of?

I voted no.

haymarket said:

Vote in what manner? When will the average citizen who is not an office holder vote on anything of such importance as changing the US Constitution?

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It's hypothetical.

Of course I would vote to repeal it. We now have police and national guards. We no longer need slave patrols or Indian killers. Thus, it is obsolete.

Waddy said:

Wishing it repealed is an acknowledgement that the 2A is an individual right. That "pesky Second Amendment", as one liberal legal scholar put it.

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Exactly. I think what is missed by most, is the 2a is aimed at the government. In other words, it is a restriction on government.

mrdeltoid said:

I've been engaging with a poster that believes the 2a should be repealed. So, what say you? Would you vote to repeal the 2nd amendment? yes or no

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In a heartbeat, but I would readily prefer to rewrite it to delineate specific powers to regulate guns rest with states and which ones ( fairly few) rest with Congress.

mrdeltoid said:

Exactly. I think what is missed by most, is the 2a is aimed at the government. In other words, it is a restriction on government.

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That is very naive. As guns have been used to protect slavery and wipe out Native Americans, it is clearly a tool of government.

j brown's body said:

That is very naive. As guns have been used to protect slavery and wipe out Native Americans, it is clearly a tool of government.

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I rest my case

mrdeltoid said:

Exactly. I think what is missed by most, is the 2a is aimed at the government. In other words, it is a restriction on government.

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A restriction with limits. Lots of gun control is constitutional

One yes vote for repealing was supposed to be a no vote.:3oops:

vegas giants said:

A restriction with limits. Lots of gun control is constitutional

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Agreed

ocean515 said:

That wasn't the question.

The question didn't ask would someone, as an average citizen, vote. It was just simply, would "you" vote.

What are you afraid of?

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When would I vote on this issue? In what capacity would I ever do that? It is an incredibly silly question with no basis in reality.

mrdeltoid said:

I've been engaging with a poster that believes the 2a should be repealed. So, what say you? Would you vote to repeal the 2nd amendment? yes or no

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Doesn't matter, popular vote can't repeal a constitutional amendment.

SkyChief said:

The Second Amendment is poorly written. It's much too ambiguous - it needs to be written clearly so we don't need a Court to tell us what it means.

Here's my proposed Amended amendment:

The Right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. . . Ever. . . I'm totally serious. . . Any lawmaker who infringes on this Right shall be punished to the full extent of the Law.

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And do you really naively think both sides will ever agree on when the right is INFRINGED and what that word means?

vegas giants said:

A restriction with limits. Lots of gun control is constitutional

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You're correct. But those "controls" cannot be a defacto prohibition. That's what Heller was all about. A city may require a license, conduct background checks, can regulate sales, but it cannot prohibit private ownership. So a city, or state, can make a person jump through hoops on the way to ownership, but not prohibit private gun ownership as a result.

haymarket said:

And do you really naively think both sides will ever agree on when the right is INFRINGED and what that word means?

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It's irrelevant if ignorant people don't know the meaning of the word INFRINGED.

The term INFRINGE means simply: "act so as to limit or undermine (something); encroach on."

One does not need to be a legal expert to understand the meaning of the word INFRINGE.

mrdeltoid said:

I've been engaging with a poster that believes the 2a should be repealed. So, what say you? Would you vote to repeal the 2nd amendment? yes or no

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Speaking as a liberal: NEVER
Besides, my vote, even if it was against the 2A, (which it isn't) would accomplish little or nothing, as it would never be the majority.

But supposing a majority DID succeed in repeal.
What would that accomplish? Would it make four hundred million guns disappear?
Yeah, just as Prohibition made booze disappear and the War on Drugs made drugs disappear. :roll:

Maybe you folks on the Right have been filling up on fear and paranoia for so long that you're not even capable of sitting down for rational discussion anymore. Not necessarily saying that might be you specifically...Mister Deltoid, but it's a cinch that engaging too much in doomsday scenarios can turn you into a doomer, yes?

I honestly do not believe the 2A will ever be repealed.
As a liberal gun owner, I think such a scenario is folly.
That doesn't mean that I believe the entire Left has sane and practical views on guns but I am indeed confident that there are sufficient people who lean left that own guns to counter some of the more extreme positions, which of course as said earlier, would be impossible to enact into actual practice under law.

Now, what doesn't scare me is talk of regulation. Realistically a large number of Americans own and use guns, and regulating their use is perfectly normal, no different than regulating the use of anything hazardous. The trick is to remember that we use a lot of very hazardous things every day, and when they are used according to regulations, it works out smoothly if people are well trained and responsible.

For me and most gun owners if not all, one of the cores of practical thinking re the 2A is the principle of self-defense and defense of one's home and property. The so called "castle doctrines" in the various states need to be brought into sync, and so should concealed carry...no more state to state bickering and mish-mosh over what is considered kosher in concealed carry and castle doctrine.
It is my hope SCOTUS establishes an interpretation that sets forth these two principles as sacred bedrock, meaning that in all states, a person has the elemental right to defend themselves if they are at home or at their place of business or anywhere where they have a legal right to be, and that when a person earns the right to be granted concealed carry (SHALL ISSUE - not "MAY ISSUE") in one state, it should be valid everywhere.