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Should a president withold aid to states for political reasons?

Should a president withold aid to states for political reasons?

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BrotherFease said:
Political reasons = to advance or hurt a political candidate
Civil Rights = To defend our constitution and protect its citizens.

That's how I interpret what has been said.
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So we protect civil rights by discriminating against people?
 
presluc said:
I apologize for stepping on your thread BrotherFease. but I have some comments to say about Harshaw.

First of all we went from Should a president withhold funds during a disaster to withholding school funds over transgender bathrooms.
Ah the old distraction shift the blame strategy as the kids say , been there done that.

Question; during this withholding of funds to schools were there any school tax levies past if so where did the money go.
Question which political party voted to cut education last , for what reason??
Last but not least how many transgender bathrooms were on fire during this withholding of funds???
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. . . what?

Finally is not this subject a bit off track from the OP???:peace
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Debating Title IX is definitely off-track from the OP. My initial comment wasn't.
 
BrotherFease said:
All good presluc. I find it sad that my side -- as in, I am slightly right -- cannot complete a conversation without mentioning transgender people. It's just pathetic.
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Umm, that was probably the first time in all of my 14 years at DP I mentioned anything having to do with transgender anything, and I didn't even mention transgender people.

Whether we agree with Obama's view or not, he didn't do it in order advance his political campaign or to spite another person. It's a blatant diversion technique by the poster in question.
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That is irrelevant to the question stated in the OP, which contained no such qualifications. It said "for political reasons." Your reasons are hardly the only political reasons. And agreeing or disagreeing with Obama's view is ALSO irrelevant to the question, and to my point.
 
Harshaw said:
. . . what?



Debating Title IX is definitely off-track from the OP. My initial comment wasn't.
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So you think withholding funds from schools over a transgender issue is like withholding funds for wild fires .
If that is the point of your initial comment it is wrong.
As I said a distraction from the real question , and the real meaning of the OP.
:peace
 
BrotherFease said:
All good presluc. I find it sad that my side -- as in, I am slightly right -- cannot complete a conversation without mentioning transgender people. It's just pathetic.

Whether we agree with Obama's view or not, he didn't do it in order advance his political campaign or to spite another person. It's a blatant diversion technique by the poster in question.
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Ah , I lose so many friends this way, but in my opinion Obama was a wimp, and both Republican and Democrats play the same game "the blame game shuffle and not my fault dance"

I will admit at one time I was a die hard Democrat but it the middle of Obama's term I became an Independent voter I found out something many Independent voters are a lot like me.
We don't care who made the mistake we don't care which political party is to blame, we only want the mistake fixed,the problem taken care of.
Who does it Republican or Democrat does not matter but they sure as Hell ain't getting anything done pointing fingers and blaming each other.:peace
 
If the vice President can(Biden) then the President should be able to.
 
Kreton said:
We are incredibly divided as a nation. There are countless examples and instances that can be pointed to but we have reached a point where the president is threatening to pull aid during a national disaster for no reason other than California is right wing enough.

Pretty straight forward question.

Should a president withhold aid to states for political reasons?
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This OP is an outright lie. Funds were withheld for 2 reasons:

1. California banned wildfire prevention. The known result every year is wildfires that California wants the rest of the country to pay for and

2. Californian state politicians stole $2 billion in federal funds for light rail they never built and instead just pocketed the money for themselves. They can use that $2 billion in federal funds.

California doesn't need the money anyway. Just ask most Democrats on this forum. California is a fabulously wealthy state - richer than almost all countries in the world - so is drowning in excess money - PLUS they will tell you that California is getting super rich from the highly profitable millions of immigrants the Democratic Party explains is fantastic for government for all the taxes they pay. Those claims by progressive Democrats are true, aren't they?
 
Kreton said:
Pretty straight forward question.

Should a president withhold aid to states for political reasons?
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Not personal political profit. There is some leeway for ideology or policy disputes - congress can vote to do that do. Let's not pretend this was what Trump did. He wanted a personal election favor.
 
Kreton said:
We are incredibly divided as a nation. There are countless examples and instances that can be pointed to but we have reached a point where the president is threatening to pull aid during a national disaster for no reason other than California is right wing enough.

Pretty straight forward question.

Should a president withhold aid to states for political reasons?
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I assume you mean partisan political reasons. That would be a dereliction of duty, obviously.
 
presluc said:
So you think withholding funds from schools over a transgender issue is like withholding funds for wild fires .
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:roll: No, I think in both cases they're a President (or admin) withholding funds for "political reasons," just like the question asked.

If you want to say one is OK and one isn't, then your answer to the poll question is "yes."

As I said a distraction from the real question , and the real meaning of the OP.
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Yes, the real meaning of the OP was to bash Trump and only Trump, even though it was intentionally, but falsely, worded to encompass any President. I already acknowledged that.
 
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Harshaw said:
:roll: No, I think in both cases they're a President (or admin) withholding funds for "political reasons," just like the question asked.

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As I said a distraction from the real question , and the real meaning of the OP
Yes, the real meaning of the OP was to bash Trump and only Trump, even though it was intentionally, but falsely, worded to encompass any President. I already acknowledged that.
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There you go again claiming the Civil Rights Office of the Department of Education taking action to prevent discrimination against transgender students are "political reasons" and comparing it to Trump threatening to withhold disaster funding to California simply because doesn't like the state's politics. As has been pointed out, your comparison is apples and oranges and could not be more bigoted.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Yes, the real meaning of the OP was to bash Trump and only Trump, even though it was intentionally, but falsely, worded to encompass any President. I already acknowledged that.
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There you go again claiming Civil Rights Office of the Department of Education taking action to prevent discrimination against transgender students as "political reasons" and comparing it to Trump threatening to withhold disaster funding to California simply because doesn't like the state's politics. As has been pointed out, your comparison is apples and oranges and could not be more bigoted.
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It, in fact, very much was a political reason. And despite your need to find "bigotry," to say it was a political reason is not bigoted. You beclown yourself.
 
Kreton said:
We are incredibly divided as a nation. There are countless examples and instances that can be pointed to but we have reached a point where the president is threatening to pull aid during a national disaster for no reason other than California is right wing enough.

Pretty straight forward question.

Should a president withhold aid to states for political reasons?
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Well the federal government has been withholding money from states and the people of this country for that matter in order to force their agenda on us for as long as I can remember. But I think we should attack Trump for it because we are full of hate.
 
Harshaw said:
It, in fact, very much was a political reason. And despite your need to find "bigotry," to say it was a political reason is not bigoted. You beclown yourself.
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Only a bigot would argue that protecting transgender students from discrimination was just politics.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Only a bigot would argue that protecting transgender students from discrimination was just politics.
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If all you have is name-calling, then you don't have an argument.
 
Harshaw said:
If all you have is name-calling, then you don't have an argument.
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I have restated my argument multiple times. Once again, you are comparing the Civil Rights Office of the Department of Education taking action to protect transgender students to Trump threatening to withhold disaster funding from California simply because he doesn't like the state's politics.

Why is it just "politics" for the Civil Rights Office of the Department of Education to take action to prevent discrimination against transgender students?
 
Harshaw said:
Yes, and I've restated mine multiple times, which you've ignored. Which means it's time to ignore you.
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Again, why is it just "politics" for the Civil Rights Office of the Department of Education to take action to prevent discrimination against transgender students? You have yet to address that.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
Well the federal government has been withholding money from states and the people of this country for that matter in order to force their agenda on us for as long as I can remember. But I think we should attack Trump for it because we are full of hate.
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:roll:
 
Kreton said:
most people don't seek the truth. They seek to reinforce their preconceived beliefs.
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Well everybody had a right to preconceived beliefs. but preconceived beliefs can be twisted and taken out of context.

FACTS , they do not lie are not twisted and no matter how you attempt to twist it , it remains a FACT,:peace
 
Harshaw said:
:roll: No, I think in both cases they're a President (or admin) withholding funds for "political reasons," just like the question asked.

If you want to say one is OK and one isn't, then your answer to the poll question is "yes."



Yes, the real meaning of the OP was to bash Trump and only Trump, even though it was intentionally, but falsely, worded to encompass any President. I already acknowledged that.
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First of all the reasons are a bit different, you withhold funds for a school over transgender problem that can be debated you have time.
When you withhold funding and you got wildfires headed for houses you got no time you stop to debate you gonna lose houses and land.
Try withholding funds for the pentagon or Congress salaries or secret service???

Second of all everything that is posted is to bash Trump, I thought Trump and his followers were supposed to be tough ,throw a few criticisms their way it's "oh my their bashing Trump" What's next "stop picking on me" . lol :peace
 
presluc said:
First of all the reasons are a bit different, you withhold funds for a school over transgender problem that can be debated you have time.
When you withhold funding and you got wildfires headed for houses you got no time you stop to debate you gonna lose houses and land.
Try withholding funds for the pentagon or Congress salaries or secret service???
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Political reasons are political reasons.

Second of all everything that is posted is to bash Trump, I thought Trump and his followers were supposed to be tough ,throw a few criticisms their way it's "oh my their bashing Trump" What's next "stop picking on me" . lol :peace
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A dishonest thread is a dishonest thread.
 
presluc said:
Well everybody had a right to preconceived beliefs. but preconceived beliefs can be twisted and taken out of context.

FACTS , they do not lie are not twisted and no matter how you attempt to twist it , it remains a FACT,:peace
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What in the world are you talking about?
 
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