View Poll Results: Which is most likey to actually happen?

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  • Trump is Impeached, Acquitted and Reelected.

    10 21.28%
  • Trump is NOT Impeached and is Reelected.

    9 19.15%
  • Trump is Impeached, Convicted and still Reelected.

    0 0%
  • Trump is Impeached, Acquitted and Defeated in the Election.

    22 46.81%
  • Trump is NOT Impeached and is Defeated in the Election.

    3 6.38%
  • Trump is Impeached, Convicted and is Defeated in the Election.

    1 2.13%
  • Trump Resigns and is Reelected.

    0 0%
  • Trump resigns and is Defeated in the Election.

    0 0%
  • Plastic Bananas Foster

    2 4.26%
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Thread: One Year Out

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    Re: One Year Out

    Quote Originally Posted by Jay59 View Post
    There are three possibilities for the Democrat nomination. It is becoming increasingly clear that corporate America chooses Biden out of self preservation. IMO there is no way he can beat a pro business candidate like Trump. He is also doing poorly in the debates which raises other concerns. Warren and Sanders are both widely viewed as left wing extremists, plus Warren is dull as flat beer. I don't see either as electable.

    Trump won in 2016 against a better backed and funded candidate, with various handicaps that no longer apply. I don't think the Democratic nominee will change that.
    With Trump fatigue setting in, being dull as flat beer may be a compelling virtue.

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    Re: One Year Out

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You need go no further than the first item on the list.
    I agree with this. It has been noted by the FEC that it is ILLEGAL to ask for, accept anything of value from a foreign nation to advance your political race. Add to that bribery/extortion when he held up aid for fake investigations. If the GOP senators had one shred of integrity, he would be gone and not forgotten. The real story is that all the GOP senators would like to see him gone. They are all acting like scared little kids that he will attack them. So they will bury their heads in the sand, just like they have been doing for 2.5 years and acquit him. They will go down on the wrong side of history, but they don't seem to care. It's bizarre.

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    Re: One Year Out

    Quote Originally Posted by antiquity View Post
    But you seem to overlook Hillary and DNC paying a foreign agent to compile dirt on Trump using the Steel Dossier and the Russians.....
    BBBBBBZZZZTTTT!!!!!!. Clinton hired a US firm - Fusion GPS - to produce the information and it was perfectly legal.
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    Re: One Year Out

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I voted, impeached, acquitted and defeated. The defeated all depends on who the democrats nominate. Now I received this AM an interesting article from Gallup reference Trump's vs. Nixon's impeachment. Time to share it.

    "Eighty-nine percent of Democrats currently say Trump should be impeached and removed from office. That compares with 71% of Democrats who in 1974 said the charges against Nixon warranted his removal from office. The 1974 survey was conducted days before Nixon announced his resignation from office on August 8, 1974.

    Among Republicans, 92% reject Trump being impeached and removed from office while just 7% are in favor of it. Under Nixon, a smaller 59% of his fellow Republicans opposed his removal from office while 31% endorsed it."

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    "Party differences between 1974 and now reflect the more politically polarized U.S. environment, with Americans' opinions about the president now more unified within party groups than in the past. Eighty percentage points currently separate Democratic (87%) and Republican support (7%) for removal, double the size of the party gap under Nixon (71% and 31%)."

    For more, here's the link.

    More Democrats Want Trump Removed Than Wanted Nixon Out

    Why the huge difference between 1974 and today? That is a subject for another thread. But it's isn't hard to figure out.
    Trump will be impeached by the Democratic house but will easily win vs. the bunch of losing Democrat candidates:

    Bernie has heart problems and may even have drop out soon, Biden has onset dementia
    (and if you keep pursuing Ukraine-with China and now Rumania he may be prosecuted), and
    Warren is even getting the DNC to call her a liar and dislike her "plans"s etc. etc.

    The frailities of the 'BIG 3" leaves an opening for Buttigieg. Butt & Bernie are the only ones who
    would have a snowball's chance debating Trump. Butt is now leading in Iowa. Can you imagine
    a state dinner with China with Chi & his rather attractive wife walking down the red carpet with
    Butt & his husband, imagining that photo op more than anything else should end Buttigieg's hopes.

    Trump should have an easier time with anyone in this group than he did with Clinton. Looks like
    a landslide IMO, not a Nixon landslide like in 1972 when California was still part of America,
    but a solid victory like Bush #1 in 1988.

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    Re: One Year Out

    Quote Originally Posted by slick View Post
    Trump will be impeached by the Democratic house but will easily win vs. the bunch of losing Democrat candidates:

    Bernie has heart problems and may even have drop out soon, Biden has onset dementia
    (and if you keep pursuing Ukraine-with China and now Rumania he may be prosecuted), and
    Warren is even getting the DNC to call her a liar and dislike her "plans"s etc. etc.

    The frailities of the 'BIG 3" leaves an opening for Buttigieg. Butt & Bernie are the only ones who
    would have a snowball's chance debating Trump. Butt is now leading in Iowa. Can you imagine
    a state dinner with China with Chi & his rather attractive wife walking down the red carpet with
    Butt & his husband, imagining that photo op more than anything else should end Buttigieg's hopes.

    Trump should have an easier time with anyone in this group than he did with Clinton. Looks like
    a landslide IMO, not a Nixon landslide like in 1972 when California was still part of America,
    but a solid victory like Bush #1 in 1988.
    It's possible, but I don't think Trump supporters and a lot of Republicans take into account Trump's obnoxious, uncouth persona. Especially among independents, the non-affiliated or swing voters. A lot of them have come to plain not like Trump the man. By that, I means they are fairly evenly split on his policies. But these swing voters, independents give Trump an 35% favorable/53% unfavorable. Question 62A.

    Trump won independents back in 2016 46-42 with 12% voting third party, against both Trump and Clinton. Then in 2018 independents voted for the Democratic congressional candidates by a 54-42 margin with the rest voting third party. It's interesting to me being a numbers guy that 54% of independents voted against Trump, 42 for Clinton, 12 for third parties. That 54% of independent also voted Democratic in 2018. Today, 53% of independents view Trump unfavorably.

    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.ne...nTabReport.pdf

    Then you have 33% of independents that want Trump to run for reelection, 46% who do not. Question 80.

    Of course, we don't know as of yet who will be the Democratic nominee. A nominee ala Clinton who was disliked by 70% of independents could make all the difference. Trump was disliked by 57% of independents which normally would have been more than enough for them to vote for the other candidate. 2016 was a very unique election.

    Questions 10 and 11.

    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.ne...bReport_lv.pdf

    An election between two candidate which now hold the record for the lowest favorable ratings of any major party candidates ever at 36% and 38%. Goldwater was the previous record holder at 43% back in 1964. Trump and Clinton also now hold the record for the highest unfavorable's of any major party candidates at 56% and 60%. Smashing Goldwater's record of 47%.

    Highest to lowest favorable/unfavorable ratings of each major party presidential candidate.
    Favorable/unfavorable
    1956 Eisenhower 84/12%
    1964 LBJ 81/13%
    1976 Carter 81/16%
    1960 JFK 80/14%
    1960 Nixon 79/16%
    1968 Nixon 79/22%
    1976 Ford 79/20%
    1972 Nixon 76/21%
    1968 Humphrey 72/28%
    1984 Reagan 71/30%
    1980 Carter 68/32%
    1984 Mondale 66/34%
    1980 Reagan 64/31%
    1992 Bill Clinton 64/33%
    2008 Obama 62/35%
    2012 Obama 62/37%
    1956 Stevenson 61/31%
    2004 G.W. Bush 61/39%
    2008 McCain 60/35%
    1992 G.H.W. Bush 59/40%
    2000 G.W. Bush 58/38%
    2004 Kerry 57/40%
    1996 Bill Clinton 56/42%
    1988 G.H.W. Bush 56/39%
    2000 Gore 55/45%
    2012 Romney 55/43%
    1972 McGovern 55/41%
    1996 Dole 54/45%
    1988 Dukakis 50/45%
    1964 Goldwater 43/47%
    2016 Hillary Clinton 38/56%
    2016 Donald Trump 36/60%

    Figure the odds they would be matched up against one another.
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    Re: One Year Out

    I seriously doubt that Trump is going to be impeached. If the House Dems actually go through on the vote regarding articles of impeachment (which I'll believe it when I see it), it'll be voted down in the Senate. I think he's definitely going to win in 2020. If the Democrats actually ran someone like Bernie or Warren rather than the majority of the clowns that are up there (although that's by design), they could definitely win.
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    Re: One Year Out

    #1 seems the most likely, but nothing is certain. Except for plastic bananas, of course
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    Re: One Year Out

    Quote Originally Posted by bearpoker View Post
    With Trump fatigue setting in, being dull as flat beer may be a compelling virtue.
    It isn't Trump fatigue, It is President Trump bashing that has coming to the end of it's relevance.
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