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Do You Believe MFA Would Not Cost Middle Class Taxpayers One Penny?

Do You Believe MFA Would Not Cost Middle Class Taxpayers One Penny?

  • Yes. Of course. Why wouldn't I believe it?

    Votes: 4 6.6%

  • No. I'd also like to sell you the Brooklyn Bridge

    Votes: 49 80.3%

  • Maybe it would. Maybe it wouldn't. I don't really know.

    Votes: 8 13.1%
  • Total voters
    61
The most realistic way to ever pass Medicare for All will include a middle class tax increase.
 
Rich people have a lot of money but there's not a lot of them. That's why they call them the 1%.

All the money is held by the middle class and the middle class will foot the bill like always.
 
The real question is not taxes, but overall cost. Medicare for All will save people money overall, and that is a fact.
 
Moderate Right said:
Remember, if you like your insurance you can keep your insurance. If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor. Now Elizabeth Warren is saying that MFA would not cost middle class taxpayers one penny. Do you believe her?


UPDATE 6-Democrat Warren: Medicare for All would not raise U.S. middle-class taxes '''one penny'''
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It will almost certainly save the average member of the middle class more in terms of saved out of pocket expenses than it will cost them in new taxes.
 
The wall is certainly going to cost me money
 
Your Star said:
The real question is not taxes, but overall cost. Medicare for All will save people money overall, and that is a fact.
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How can this be a fact when it doesn't exist yet. Perhaps a hope,certainly not a fact.
 
Medicare For All would cost Taxpayers an estimated $3.2 Trillion per year.

The only way to raise that much funding is to hike taxes on the middle class. . . . Their Taxes would need to double what they currently are.
 
SkyChief said:
Medicare For All would cost Taxpayers an estimated $3.2 Trillion per year.

The only way to raise that much funding is to hike taxes on the middle class. . . . Their Taxes would need to double what they currently are.
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Wrong. Companies would not have to pay for health insurance. Their taxes would go up
 
Moderate Right said:
Remember, if you like your insurance you can keep your insurance. If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor. Now Elizabeth Warren is saying that MFA would not cost middle class taxpayers one penny. Do you believe her?
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Relative to what?
 
From the OP's citation:

Warren said her plan would save American households $11 trillion in out-of-pocket healthcare spending over the next decade while imposing significant new taxes on corporations and the wealthy to help finance it.
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"significant new taxes on corporations"

What do you suppose those corporation's response to an increase in the cost of doing business will be? Nothing?

No, they are going to reduce costs where they can, and that'll also include cutting back on employees and increasing investments in automation. It's a certainty, as we've already seen it before.

McDonald's Says Goodbye Cashiers, Hello Kiosks - Forbes
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Are McDonald's kiosks better than cashiers? - Business Insider
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Jul 26, 2018 - McDonald's started rolling out ordering kiosks at its US locations in 2015, and the chain hasn't looked back since: by 2020, most of its 14,000 locations will have kiosks installed. It plans to add the kiosks to 1,000 stores every quarter for the next two years, according to CNBC.

McDonald's to add self-order kiosks to 1,000 stores each quarter
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This plan demonstrates a fundamental lack of understanding of business and economic realities (Warren is smarter than this, but she's dishonest and lying to the masses get into public office - as if that's new) and anyone who supports these flawed public policies demonstrates the same.
 
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eohrnberger said:
From the OP's citation:



"significant new taxes on corporations"

What do you suppose those corporation's response to an increase in the cost of doing business will be? Nothing?

No, they are going to reduce costs where they can, and that'll also include cutting back on employees and increasing investments in automation. It's a certainty, as we've already seen it before.

McDonald's Says Goodbye Cashiers, Hello Kiosks - Forbes
[url]https://www.forbes.com › sites › edrensi › 2018/07/11 › mcdonalds-says-g...[/URL]
Jul 11, 2018 - As of 2020, self-service ordering kiosks will be implemented at all U.S. McDonald’s locations. ... Some restaurant concepts have even automated the food-preparation process; earlier this year, NBC News profiled "Flippy," a robot hamburger flipper. ... One way to combat rising labor costs ...

Are McDonald's kiosks better than cashiers? - Business Insider
[url]https://www.businessinsider.com › mcdonalds-kiosk-vs-cashiers-photos-20...[/URL]
Jul 26, 2018 - McDonald's started rolling out ordering kiosks at its US locations in 2015, and the chain hasn't looked back since: by 2020, most of its 14,000 locations will have kiosks installed. It plans to add the kiosks to 1,000 stores every quarter for the next two years, according to CNBC.

McDonald's to add self-order kiosks to 1,000 stores each quarter
[url]https://www.cnbc.com › 2018/06/04 › mcdonalds-to-add-self-order-kiosks-t...[/URL]
Jun 4, 2018 - McDonald's has been systematically adding self-service ordering kiosks and table service to stores as it works to "build a better McDonald's." "What we're finding is when people dwell more, they select more," CEO Steve Easterbrook told CNBC on "Squawk on the Street" on Monday.


This plan demonstrates a fundamental lack of understanding of business and economic realities (Warren is smarter than this, but she's dishonest and lying to the masses get into public office - as if that's new) and anyone who supports these flawed public policies demonstrates the same.​
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Why would it be an increase if they are not paying for health insurance anymore?​
 
I want Trump gone. But I cannot support MFA. I am way too much small government to accept this much of a major shift to central government control of healthcare.

If Warren (or Bernie) wins the nomination, I will vote for the Libertarian candidate or abstain. I thought I might be able to support Warren because of Trump, but I cannot.
 
vegas giants said:
Wrong. Companies would not have to pay for health insurance. Their taxes would go up
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The Urban Institute calculated that under a single-payer plan that looks a lot like Medicare for All, costs would total $59 trillion over a decade, which would require $34 trillion in new federal spending.


Here's How Warren Finds $20.5 Trillion To Pay For 'Medicare For All' : NPR

Warren's proposal grossly underestimates the real cost of Medicare for All.

The tax hikes on the middle class would wreak havoc on the economy.
 
vegas giants said:
Wrong. Companies would not have to pay for health insurance. Their taxes would go up
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Companies don't pay taxes. The end consumer pays ALL taxes. That's Econ101.
 
Moderate Right said:
Remember, if you like your insurance you can keep your insurance. If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor. Now Elizabeth Warren is saying that MFA would not cost middle class taxpayers one penny. Do you believe her?


UPDATE 6-Democrat Warren: Medicare for All would not raise U.S. middle-class taxes '''one penny'''
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As much as I believe that the 2018 tax cuts would stimulate capital investment, create jobs and not widen the deficit.

Warren wimped out here..... the middle class are already paying a ton for medical care, she could raise middle class taxes and still have it be a net positive for the pocketbooks of the middle class.... you raise taxes, but much less than what people are currently spending on insurance/med costs.
 
Your Star said:
The real question is not taxes, but overall cost. Medicare for All will save people money overall, and that is a fact.
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Wrong. The latest analyses from even LW organizations calculate the cost for Warren's "plan" to be between $3.5 trillion $5.4 trillion per year; IOW double federal spending. That money comes out of our pockets.
 
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Surrealistik said:
It will almost certainly save the average member of the middle class more in terms of saved out of pocket expenses than it will cost them in new taxes.
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Wanna buy a bridge?
 
I have a question about Medicare for all.

I am on Medicare. I have a free union backed tie-in plan that pays ALL my costs not covered by Medicare. But if I didn't have this tie-in plan I would be paying an office visit co-pay, pay for my drugs, and then Medicare only pays 80% of everything else. No dental or eye care under Medicare. Are we talking that Medicare for everyone? I do pay a premium for Medicare each month out of my SS. Would everyone have to pay for Medicare? And foot the bill for their own drug coverage, eye coverage dental coverage, or buy an additional insurance plan to cover those costs? Since Medicare is an individual plan, would a family have to buy a separate plan for each family member, and separate tie-in plans? That could really add up fast.

And if there is a big tax increase on businesses, wouldn't that cost be passed along in the price of the product or service?

I can't get past that any massively expensive new medical plan won't mean higher costs for everyone involved. Doesn't seem logical. 2+2 still equals 4 doesn't it?
 
Moderate Right said:
Remember, if you like your insurance you can keep your insurance. If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor. Now Elizabeth Warren is saying that MFA would not cost middle class taxpayers one penny. Do you believe her?


UPDATE 6-Democrat Warren: Medicare for All would not raise U.S. middle-class taxes '''one penny'''
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Details. The devil's in the details.

As you know I am pessimistic about the chances of anything but a severely watered-down M4A passing any time in the next decade. But I am also realistic in understanding that for middle-class citizens, the overall costs will go down.
 
It would likely raise taxes but it could be offset by savings because of a plan that everyone is in and lack of being dropped for some dumbass reason some insurance company came up with, leaving you with the thousand of dollars tab
 
considering that other first world countries pay significantly less for the same care, i doubt that a step in that direction is a bad move.
 
Moderate Right said:
Remember, if you like your insurance you can keep your insurance. If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor. Now Elizabeth Warren is saying that MFA would not cost middle class taxpayers one penny. Do you believe her?


UPDATE 6-Democrat Warren: Medicare for All would not raise U.S. middle-class taxes '''one penny'''
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The logic people apply to the concept of MFA baffles me. Its so important it must be free at the point of service but only rich people should pay the bill associated with a service that everyone must have access to. Imo rich or poor everyone should share an equal share of the finacial burden.

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Moderate Right said:
Remember, if you like your insurance you can keep your insurance. If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor. Now Elizabeth Warren is saying that MFA would not cost middle class taxpayers one penny. Do you believe her?


UPDATE 6-Democrat Warren: Medicare for All would not raise U.S. middle-class taxes '''one penny'''
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At first it probably wouldn't cost tax payers a dime and socialist democrats will say see we can get you all the free **** in the world and make them thar e-vile re-itch peoples pay for it. But once people actually start using it and rich people can't be taxed any further then those same democrats will demand everyone needs to pay their fair share.
 
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