View Poll Results: Do You Believe MFA Would Not Cost Middle Class Taxpayers One Penny?

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  • Yes. Of course. Why wouldn't I believe it?

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  • No. I'd also like to sell you the Brooklyn Bridge

    49 80.33%
  • Maybe it would. Maybe it wouldn't. I don't really know.

    8 13.11%
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    Re: Do You Believe MFA Would Not Cost Middle Class Taxpayers One Penny?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    I get that it's a gotcha question, but by sighing and saying "ok, I promise your taxes won't go up," she's feeding into it.
    If the American people are too stupid to understand saving money, maybe they don't deserve it.
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    Re: Do You Believe MFA Would Not Cost Middle Class Taxpayers One Penny?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    If the American people are too stupid to understand saving money, maybe they don't deserve it.
    To doubt a presidential campaign promise is not to be stupid. Most Americans who have been around for at least an election cycle or two know to be skeptical of presidential campaign promises (e.g., that they'll for sure save money).

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    Re: Do You Believe MFA Would Not Cost Middle Class Taxpayers One Penny?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Let's look at one example and imagine how it might extrapolate out. In the early 2000s, Medicare paid around $102 for a mental health psychotherapy session. Today it pays less than $85. A 30% decline, adjusted for inflation. A lot of mental health therapists out there are in private practice, either independently or as part of a group and bill private insurance for closer to the $100 rate that Medicare used to pay, or in some cases more than that. Their entire practices and businesses are built up around this reimbursement rate and many of them do not exactly have fat margins.

    So imagine DHHS comes in and says "the Medicare rate is now THE RATE, so you're all gonna get $85 per session." There aren't many businesses anywhere that can sustain a 30% cut to their gross revenue. The practices that run on thin margins aren't going to operate at a loss. Many would stop doing therapy and vie for jobs in a larger health system, social service organization, or government agency, likely performing some sort of administrative task rather than direct therapy. So the supply of psychotherapy providers shrinks, and people start to really struggle to find psychotherapists who are accepting new clients. The fact that Medicare For All says "we'll pay your $85 psychotherapy bill for you!" sounds great but it doesn't help people who can't actually find someone willing to provide therapy to them.
    And just to follow up on this post, Warren's health care plan promises to do just what I said, make the current Medicare rates "THE RATES" going forward. So this scenario quoted above is entirely realistic under a Warren-style MFA proposal.

    The new one-size-fits-all rate that all private therapists will be receiving will be a substantial cut to many providers' revenue, which virtually none of them will be able to absorb without dramatic changes to their practices. It's easily enough of a cut to constrain the supply of mental health therapists, those willing to remain in practice will likely need to see more people to sustain their business, which stretches them thinner and reduces quality, and the reduced supply of therapy appointment availability increases wait-lists on already-overworked therapists, and so on and so forth.

    And so you can bet that the American Psychiatric Association and American Psychological Association, National Association of Social Workers, and a slew of other professional associations (which are generally overwhelmingly politically liberal organizations, by the way!) will be trying to break down the doors of the Warren Administration to lobby her hard, and try to turn other politicians against her if she won't listen to them and consider the mental health needs of the country. But Warren has already characterized groups like this that lobby the federal government as greedy and evil and to blame for all our health care policy problems. She will either listen to these groups and consider their warnings and soften her position (making her a total hypocrite relative to her prior statements), or she will refuse to listen to anyone and her list of political enemies will explode.

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    Re: Do You Believe MFA Would Not Cost Middle Class Taxpayers One Penny?

    Maybe it would cost Americans money. What better way to use money then to invest in the health and well being of people and more specifically your fellow Americans. We are a society.
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    Re: Do You Believe MFA Would Not Cost Middle Class Taxpayers One Penny?

    The real question is where do the Democrats find so many totally ignorant people? What type of moron believes that you can add a program that costs as much as the entire government takes in and it won't increase taxes?

    Another quizzer. What twit thinks by renaming a health care system, not addressing any of the issues that make it expensive and adding tens of millions of people to it will make it cheaper? There can't really be people out there that are that stupid.

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