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should male to female transgendered athletes be allowed to compete in women's sports

Should Male to female transgendered athletes be able to compete as women

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BrotherFease said:
Mack wanted to wrestle. That's his passion. If he doesn't wrestle in H.S, then he can't wrestle in college. Texas unfairly treated him.

The rest of your sentence, makes no sense. Mack was born a girl, and transitioned into a boy. Texas said he couldn't compete with the boys because his birth certificate said female. There would be no problem if Texas changed the rules to accommodate trans men.
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Maybe we are talking about two different people.
 
Phys251 said:
Transgender people: We are being systematically discriminated against in every aspect of our lives.
Conservatives: *silence*
Transgender people: We are literally being killed because of who we are.
Conservatives: *silence*
Transgender people: We would like the opportunity to compete athletically as to our true selves.
Conservatives:
:alert :argue :2mad: :2brickwal
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Actually its the women in the sports that are the loudest voices. You, typically, alter the argument to fit your own ridiculous comments. Funny how leftists are so interested in trans equality (but lets be honest...it isnt about trans equality...its about normalizing homosexuality) that they willingly...willfully...joyously **** on women and their rights.
 
Outlook said:
Maybe we are talking about two different people.
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You sound like you got the story wrong...which a lot of people did in that situation. That was a situation with a girl that believes she is a boy, transitioning to a boy, and wants to compete against boys while in the process of taking hormones to synthetically emulate boys, but was forced by the Texas state rules to compete only against girls if she was going to compete at all. It was unfair to both the girl that thinks she is a boy and the girls she had to compete against.
 
antiquity said:
I find it strange that people rely on science when it is climate change but disregard science when it come to the number of genders.:confused:
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And when science gets thrown in their face they become hormonally confused he-she hulks.

 
TurtleDude said:
this really isn't a thread for left-wingers to whine about conservative views on transgendered. It is about whether women have a right to be able to fairly compete.
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VanceMack said:
Actually its the women in the sports that are the loudest voices. You, typically, alter the argument to fit your own ridiculous comments. Funny how leftists are so interested in trans equality (but lets be honest...it isnt about trans equality...its about normalizing homosexuality) that they willingly...willfully...joyously **** on women and their rights.
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Both of you just made my point for me. :)
 
VanceMack said:
Actually its the women in the sports that are the loudest voices. You, typically, alter the argument to fit your own ridiculous comments. Funny how leftists are so interested in trans equality (but lets be honest...it isnt about trans equality...its about normalizing homosexuality) that they willingly...willfully...joyously **** on women and their rights.
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Trans has absolutely nothing to do with homosexuality. The bold above is an ignorant statement.
 
Phys251 said:
Both of you just made my point for me. :)
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so you support a man who is surgically changed to a female, competing against natural females?
 
I noticed that some of those posters assumed that the M to F transwomen have the physique of a big and strong men.
 
Phys251 said:
Transgender people: We are being systematically discriminated against in every aspect of our lives.
Conservatives: *silence*
Transgender people: We are literally being killed because of who we are.
Conservatives: *silence*
Transgender people: We would like the opportunity to compete athletically as to our true selves.
Conservatives:
:alert :argue :2mad: :2brickwal
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Phys251: Random bull**** attempting to make a point, and failing miserably.
 
Bodhisattva said:
I want to compete against women... it is discrimination that I am not allowed to.
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It's a discrimination NOT to be humiliated by those women.

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jamesrage said:
Men masquerading as women should not be allowed to compete in any sports where they would have an advantage over actual women. If it was a sport like Nascar racing or some other sport where strength is not an issue then sure men masquerading as women should be allowed to compete with actual women.
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Men masquerading as women = transvestites.
You're welcome.
 
TurtleDude said:
true but my poll was intended to be limited to males who have been-with surgery and hormone therapy-modified to "align" with the gender they believe they are. This is not about some dude with no such therapy deciding that since he cannot win Wimbledon as the world's #225 ranked man, claiming he identifies as a woman and entering the ladies' draw at the Championships. I think all but the most loony outliers would oppose that.
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I suppose if there was a surgery or treatment that made someone the exact equivalent of a biological woman then there's no issue. I don't believe these techniques do that.
 
The reason we have Men and Women's sports has everything to do with sex and nothing to do with "gender identity".
 
I voted for "Yes, but only in sports where they have no advantage"
Probably only a very few such as Curling ..where they push a rock across the ice. Speed racing and a myriad of other sports.. No. Hey..fair is fair.
 
BrotherFease said:
Estrogen levels deceases body mass. That's a fact. Will taking estrogen turn a 6'0 person into a 5'6 person? No. But their muscles will decrease in size and change their body structure.
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Please, stop the nonsense.

It's crazy land to let men play sports with women. Period.

I am sure you have no understanding of sport.
 
Phys251 said:
Both of you just made my point for me. :)
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You wouldnt see your point if you went bald.

"I'll take her on any day, but that's just me. I'll take on men, too. I feel bad about saying it, but, no, I do not think it's fair play, and I question her integrity knowing that she's going into these events knowing that she is going to be stronger. I'm sure Bearden had a rough go at it. It's very difficult to be transgender. But when it comes to racing, it's problematic to me that she transitioned only a couple years ago, and has lived 30 years as a man. Regardless of testosterone levels, she's got muscle memory and a lung capacity that I could never build up. She was a Cat 1 as a male. I could never match a pro man. How fair is that to her female competitors?"

"We all deserve to be on an even playing field. It's difficult when you believe that you're not. If it's not even, why are we doing the sport?"

“Simply reducing hormone levels — the prescription most sports have adopted — does not solve the problem. A man builds up muscle and bone density, as well as a greater number of oxygen-carrying red blood cells, from childhood. Training increases the discrepancy. Indeed, if a male were to change gender in such a way as to eliminate any accumulated advantage, he would have to begin hormone treatment before puberty. For me, that is unthinkable.”

See...this is a debate site...and this is a debate topic...and those are all comments made by women about men competing.

But I made my comments earlier. I'm ALL FOR IT. Let the men compete with the women. Hell...end all womens sports since we are all equal.

But dont pretend this is something it isnt.
 
The brackets as they consist today are probably pretty flawed and i think those that answer with a hard no need to be less reductionist about this.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Gender always matters... women might be on their period during the competition, thus giving unfair advantage to the men.
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Transgender women are women. Dems the facts. I encourage you to look into this beyond such facile unscientific narratives. Science doesnt rely on mere common sense and many discoveries made are counter intuitive.
 
bomberfox said:
Transgender women are women. Dems the facts. I encourage you to look into this beyond such facile unscientific narratives. Science doesnt rely on mere common sense and many discoveries made are counter intuitive.
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Then why do you refer to them as "Transgender women?"
 
BrotherFease said:
Mack wanted to wrestle. That's his passion. If he doesn't wrestle in H.S, then he can't wrestle in college. Texas unfairly treated him.

The rest of your sentence, makes no sense. Mack was born a girl, and transitioned into a boy. Texas said he couldn't compete with the boys because his birth certificate said female. There would be no problem if Texas changed the rules to accommodate trans men.
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Mack was tacking testosterone, right?
 
bomberfox said:
Transgender women are women. Dems the facts. I encourage you to look into this beyond such facile unscientific narratives. Science doesnt rely on mere common sense and many discoveries made are counter intuitive.
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That depends on how you define woman. I choose any person born with a vagina definition. I just don't see how it matters. I don't believe there is a need for other genders. Male (born with penis) Female (born with vagina). That pretty much covers it. Beyond that you are just stereotyping behaviors with genders and then pushing people into what has been decided is appropriate for men or women. A man who acts like how he thinks women should act, or dresses how he thinks women should dress, or has sex with men is still nothing more than a man. And there is nothing wrong with being a man no matter how you act, dress, or are attracted to. Still a man.
 
Phys251 said:
Transgender people: We are being systematically discriminated against in every aspect of our lives.
Conservatives: *silence*
Transgender people: We are literally being killed because of who we are.
Conservatives: *silence*
Transgender people: We would like the opportunity to compete athletically as to our true selves.
Conservatives:
:alert :argue :2mad: :2brickwal
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They are not them true selves... they are a hybrid or something. Nothing wrong with that... but there is a problem with biological boys competing against girls. And I am not even a conservative.
 
HIP56948 said:
I voted for "Yes, but only in sports where they have no advantage"
Probably only a very few such as Curling ..where they push a rock across the ice. Speed racing and a myriad of other sports.. No. Hey..fair is fair.
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In those sports there's no point in having a separate women's division.

The existence of women's sports is based on the premise there is a biological difference between men and women that necessitates it.
 
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