Democrats, who do you want to win the primaries?

As you may already know, the democratic race has put out many candidates. The race has thinned out a bit (mainly of candidates who didn't stand a chance of winning) but the candidates you heard of are still in this. There are currently 19 candidates (too many for a complete poll).

We have Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Tulsi Gabbard, Kamala Harris, Andrew Yang, Julian Castro, Michael Bennet, Cory Booker, Beto O'Rourke, Pete Buttigeg, John Delaney, Amy Klobuchar, Wayne Messam, Tim Ryan, Joe Sestak, Tom Steyer, Marianne Williamson, and of course, Joe Biden.

If you haven't been paying attention to the debates (like I haven't) and don't know much about everyone's campaigns, you can always test yourself on isidewith.
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Masterhawk said:

As you may already know, the democratic race has put out many candidates. The race has thinned out a bit (mainly of candidates who didn't stand a chance of winning) but the candidates you heard of are still in this. There are currently 19 candidates (too many for a complete poll).

We have Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Tulsi Gabbard, Kamala Harris, Andrew Yang, Julian Castro, Michael Bennet, Cory Booker, Beto O'Rourke, Pete Buttigeg, John Delaney, Amy Klobuchar, Wayne Messam, Tim Ryan, Joe Sestak, Tom Steyer, Marianne Williamson, and of course, Joe Biden.

If you haven't been paying attention to the debates (like I haven't) and don't know much about everyone's campaigns, you can always test yourself on isidewith.
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Right now I an leaning towards Sanders. I was hot on Warren for many years but her current policy leaves something to be desired ... like details... Sanders has been consistent for years and while I have no illusions he will achieve what he wants (American culture is nowhere near that point of view) he would be great in changing popular culture long term towards a better nation, even if not achieving policy directly.

Not a Democrat, but registered so I can participate in primaries.

Anyways,

Candidates I like:
Buttigieg
Yang
Sanders

Candidates I don't like:
Biden
Harris
O'Rourke
Klobuchar

Mixed feelings:
Gabbard
Warren

Will probably go with either Pete or Yang in the primary.

Geoist said:

Not a Democrat, but registered so I can participate in primaries.

Anyways,

Candidates I like:
Buttigieg
Yang
Sanders

Candidates I don't like:
Biden
Harris
O'Rourke
Klobuchar

Mixed feelings:
Gabbard
Warren

Will probably go with either Pete or Yang in the primary.

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Yang is objectively the best, but good luck electing him. Sanders is my compromise position.

Warren-Buttigieg sounds good, to me. In terms of both electability (VIP) & policy. Electability is everything. Policy falls a distant 2nd, so I'll take whatever I can get. As long as we send Trump packing, it will be a great 4-8 years!

tacomancer said:

Yang is objectively the best, but good luck electing him. Sanders is my compromise position.

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I will admit he is really impressing me lately. Same with Buttigieg.

Chomsky said:

Warren-Buttigieg sounds good, to me. In terms of both electability (VIP) & policy. Electability is everything. Policy falls a distant 2nd, so I'll take whatever I can get. As long as we send Trump packing, it will be a great 4-8 years!

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That would be fine with me as well.

About the only NO on the list for me is Biden, and it's not because I disagree with him so much as I just think he's a terrible candidate (he's got a record of dismal failure in Presidential elections) and IMO has lost it a bit mentally. When I look at him he looks old like the people I see in assisted living look old, as in just not sharp. I don't mean that in a way intended to be disparaging or mean, it's just my impression (and not something I worry about with the older Bernie...). And the way he did NOT effectively defend himself and Hunter this past couple of weeks confirmed my fears - I don't think he's up to facing off against Trump.

I doubt if Bernie will be my first choice either, but beyond that I'm pretty undecided at this point. I'll try to vote for whoever I believe had the best chance at defeating Trump, which will mean who can get voters out. I'm FAR more worried about a big turnout for Democrats up and down the line, Senate, House, governors, state legislatures, than I am who is President, which is the least of my worries, actually, so long as it's ANY Democrat.

Biden as my top choice, as a moderate democrat. Buttigieg is a close second. Most of the rest I could vote for. Sanders and Yang, I could never vote for period, in any election, for any office.

Masterhawk said:

As you may already know, the democratic race has put out many candidates. The race has thinned out a bit (mainly of candidates who didn't stand a chance of winning) but the candidates you heard of are still in this. There are currently 19 candidates (too many for a complete poll).

We have Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Tulsi Gabbard, Kamala Harris, Andrew Yang, Julian Castro, Michael Bennet, Cory Booker, Beto O'Rourke, Pete Buttigeg, John Delaney, Amy Klobuchar, Wayne Messam, Tim Ryan, Joe Sestak, Tom Steyer, Marianne Williamson, and of course, Joe Biden.

If you haven't been paying attention to the debates (like I haven't) and don't know much about everyone's campaigns, you can always test yourself on isidewith.
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The candidate who will promise the most. Of course without raising taxes.

Buttigieg, but all of those choices are a thousand times better than Trump.

Chomsky said:

Warren-Buttigieg sounds good, to me. In terms of both electability (VIP) & policy. Electability is everything. Policy falls a distant 2nd, so I'll take whatever I can get. As long as we send Trump packing, it will be a great 4-8 years!

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Is it though? Trump was in no way shape or form "electable" on paper, and yet he's president. These days, anything is possible.

JasperL said:

That would be fine with me as well.

About the only NO on the list for me is Biden, and it's not because I disagree with him so much as I just think he's a terrible candidate (he's got a record of dismal failure in Presidential elections) and IMO has lost it a bit mentally. When I look at him he looks old like the people I see in assisted living look old, as in just not sharp. I don't mean that in a way intended to be disparaging or mean, it's just my impression (and not something I worry about with the older Bernie...). And the way he did NOT effectively defend himself and Hunter this past couple of weeks confirmed my fears - I don't think he's up to facing off against Trump.

I doubt if Bernie will be my first choice either, but beyond that I'm pretty undecided at this point. I'll try to vote for whoever I believe had the best chance at defeating Trump, which will mean who can get voters out. I'm FAR more worried about a big turnout for Democrats up and down the line, Senate, House, governors, state legislatures, than I am who is President, which is the least of my worries, actually, so long as it's ANY Democrat.

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I agree 110% with both paragraphs, and with your assessment of both candidates (Biden & Sanders).

I recently came to grips with age's detrimental affects on our public figures. It started with Mueller's public hearing, where he looked a shadow of his former self. Then it continued with Biden, who to seems a shadow of the guy that slapped Paul Ryan around on a national televised debate with his "Malarkey" comment! And finally, there's our beloved Bernie suffering a heart attack.

So I've steadfastly come to the conclusion we need some younger blood! Actually, I've felt this for awhile. Buttigieg is great, but I don't see him holding the poll position. But he would make a great guy to represent the next jump forward after a Vice Presidency. He'd be a great face for the new America, hopefully leaving these last gasps of the xenophobic racist 50's to finally die with Trump's Presidency.

So in my mind, it all falls on Warren. Yeah, she is old - 71. But she does come across as more youthful, so much so that I never realized her true age. And she'll be going-up against a guy that's even older. If she takes Buttigieg or another younger candidate along for the ride, I'll be comfortable with her. I think she'll bring the fight to Trump during the election. And I think she'll bring the fight for the people during her time in office. Eight years later, with a further dying-off of the Trump demographics, as a VP Buttigieg will be well positioned to continue move the country forward, progressively & sensibly into the rest of the 21st century.

This is an important election!

(and lets hope Bernie remains in the debates, regardless of his chances to win, so he can continue to provide the timeless foundation he is for the progressive wing of the party)

Puigb said:

Is it though? Trump was in no way shape or form "electable" on paper, and yet he's president. These days, anything is possible.

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Yes, electability is the most important quality. As you described with the Trump phenomenon, I do not know - "on paper" or otherwise - who will be the most electable. But it is the quality I'm looking for, and trying my best to discern. Right now I'm leaning Warren, with Buttigieg as VP.

Hm, it is interesting that our votes are getting spread around the candidates pretty well (at this time). I like the diversity in thought, I'm seeing in the party.

Chomsky said:

Yes, electability is the most important quality. As you described with the Trump phenomenon, I do not know - "on paper" or otherwise - who will be the most electable. But it is the quality I'm looking for, and trying my best to discern. Right now I'm leaning Warren, with Buttigieg as VP.

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I agree about quality. But Trump was certainly not "quality" in any way shape or form. He was like the fast food of presidential candidates. No substance whatsoever, and just gave quick and easy answers to anything, and changed his stances on everything whenever it was convenient for him. He also yelled a lot, and had huge rock star like rallies. Does that mean the Dems will do the same thing as GOP voters and choose someone like Trump? Probably not, but anything is possible in this weird Trump era of politics we live in.

Chomsky said:

Hm, it is interesting that our votes are getting spread around the candidates pretty well (at this time). I like the diversity in thought, I'm seeing in the party.

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I like diversity in thought too, but whoever the candidate ends up being, we all have to vote for him/her regardless if we like him/her or not. If the Dems do what they did in 2016, say hello to four more years of the corrupt circus we've been dealing since January 20th 2017.

Masterhawk said:

As you may already know, the democratic race has put out many candidates. The race has thinned out a bit (mainly of candidates who didn't stand a chance of winning) but the candidates you heard of are still in this. There are currently 19 candidates (too many for a complete poll).

We have Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Tulsi Gabbard, Kamala Harris, Andrew Yang, Julian Castro, Michael Bennet, Cory Booker, Beto O'Rourke, Pete Buttigeg, John Delaney, Amy Klobuchar, Wayne Messam, Tim Ryan, Joe Sestak, Tom Steyer, Marianne Williamson, and of course, Joe Biden.

If you haven't been paying attention to the debates (like I haven't) and don't know much about everyone's campaigns, you can always test yourself on isidewith.
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Bernie hands down; the best in terms of policy, among the top in terms of electability and perhaps most importantly, wholly incorruptible. Warren a somewhat distant but acceptable second. Yang is interesting but I'm not entirely sold. The rest are trash:

Buttigieg deals in empty platitudes and lacks substance and experience wholesale; being mayor of a small city during a fraught tenure with at best mixed outcomes is not remotely reassuring. Beyond that, he is hostile towards core policies I support and is not very electable.

Harris and Booker are both pseudo-progressives who are untrustworthy and undesirable in light of their donors and history.

Biden is almost certainly grappling with early stage dementia, besides being anathema to the progressive agenda.

Beto is bland, uninspiring and lacking on policy.

Puigb said:

I agree about quality. But Trump was certainly not "quality" in any way shape or form. He was like the fast food of presidential candidates. No substance whatsoever, and just gave quick and easy answers to anything, and changed his stances on everything whenever it was convenient for him. He also yelled a lot, and had huge rock star like rallies. Does that mean the Dems will do the same thing as GOP voters and choose someone like Trump? Probably not, but anything is possible in this weird Trump era of politics we live in.

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Well, I don't see this as quite that difficult. There are very little middle & crossover votes these days, and Trump won in 2016 by appealing specifically to his base. I believe the Dems need to do the same thing, so of course Dems will come out for techniques that work for them. Liberals & progressives do not think like Trump supporters. Trump doesn't work for liberals & progressives, as can be seen by their extreme hatred of him. So there's no use in Dems trying Trump techniques.

Chomsky said:

Yes, electability is the most important quality. As you described with the Trump phenomenon, I do not know - "on paper" or otherwise - who will be the most electable. But it is the quality I'm looking for, and trying my best to discern. Right now I'm leaning Warren, with Buttigieg as VP.

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So you would vote for a horrible person who supports what you don’t and doesn’t support what you do on the issues as long as they can win?

Chomsky said:

Well, I don't see this as quite that difficult. There are very little middle & crossover votes these days, and Trump won in 2016 by appealing specifically to his base. I believe the Dems need to do the same thing, so of course Dems will come out for techniques that work for them. Liberals & progressives do not think like Trump supporters. Trump doesn't work for liberals & progressives, as can be seen by their extreme hatred of him. So there's no use in Dems trying Trump techniques.

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Nah, Trump won in 2016 because the Dem base couldn't stomach voting for Hillary Clinton in 2016 the way they did for Obama in 2008 and 2012. Had Obama been able to run for a third term, a Trump presidency wouldn't exist. The Trump base, which is the GOP base, isn't large enough to win elections. This is why the GOP does everything it can to suppress voting, and hope for lower turn out as well. Because that's the only way they can win. The rest of your post I largely agree with, which is why I don't think the Dems will ever have their own Trump, which is a good thing. Trump style politicians have no business in politics, period.

Surrealistik said:

Bernie hands down; the best in terms of policy, among the top in terms of electability and perhaps most importantly, wholly incorruptible. Warren a somewhat distant but acceptable second. Yang is interesting but I'm not entirely sold. The rest are trash:

Buttigieg deals in empty platitudes and lacks substance and experience wholesale; being mayor of a small city during a fraught tenure with at best mixed outcomes is not remotely reassuring. Beyond that, he is hostile towards core policies I support and is not very electable.

Harris and Booker are both pseudo-progressives who are untrustworthy and undesirable in light of their donors and history.

Biden is almost certainly grappling with early stage dementia, besides being anathema to the progressive agenda.

Beto is bland, uninspiring and lacking on policy.

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I think you're going to have to consider Warren, unless you make the jump to Ylang. A 79 y.o. man that just had a heart attack, is not going to become President.

Bernie will remain in his rightful well-deserved place, as the patriarch and guiding light of the progressive wing of the party. May his years with us be long. Some liberals like Bernie & Chomsky seem to never lose their drive, and age timelessly reminding us of what true liberalism is.

Masterhawk said:

As you may already know, the democratic race has put out many candidates. The race has thinned out a bit (mainly of candidates who didn't stand a chance of winning) but the candidates you heard of are still in this. There are currently 19 candidates (too many for a complete poll).

We have Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Tulsi Gabbard, Kamala Harris, Andrew Yang, Julian Castro, Michael Bennet, Cory Booker, Beto O'Rourke, Pete Buttigeg, John Delaney, Amy Klobuchar, Wayne Messam, Tim Ryan, Joe Sestak, Tom Steyer, Marianne Williamson, and of course, Joe Biden.

If you haven't been paying attention to the debates (like I haven't) and don't know much about everyone's campaigns, you can always test yourself on isidewith.
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An interesting link you provided.
Surprisingly, the result acquired by my responses was:
88% Republican Donald Trump
80% Republican John Kasich
64% Libertarian Gary Johnson
48% Democrat John Delaney
27% Democrat Tulsi Gabbard
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1% Democrat Kamala Harris
1% Democrat Bernie Sanders
1% Democrat Elizabeth Warren
1% Democrat Julian Castro

But I would vote for Gary Johnson before I would vote for John Kasich.
I guess I'll just have to wait to see which names are on the ballot.

Redress said:

So you would vote for a horrible person who supports what you don’t and doesn’t support what you do on the issues as long as they can win?

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You know better than to attempt to present such a false dichotomy.

So, here's my response:

Given the horrors of Trump, there isn't one candidate on the Dem stage that would not be a vast, and I mean VAST, improvement. I see no "horrible persons" on that stage, despite your characterizing your question in those terms. So yes, any one of them will do fine to end Trump's Presidency, so we can move on past this train-wreck. I'm for the Dem candidate I believe most likely to win, because I believe that is what's most important thing to be done.

Remember,

"The first rule of governance, is attain the position to govern"

Puigb said:

I like diversity in thought too, but whoever the candidate ends up being, we all have to vote for him/her regardless if we like him/her or not. If the Dems do what they did in 2016, say hello to four more years of the corrupt circus we've been dealing since January 20th 2017.

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True. But, is there any of the leading Dem candidates that you really don't like? That would make you prefer Trump?

For Dems & liberals, I can't imagine anyone saying they'd prefer four more of Trump, rather than take Joe, Warren, Bernie, or even Buttigieg for that matter.

Chomsky said:

True. But, is there any of the leading Dem candidates that you really don't like? That would make you prefer Trump?

For Dems & liberals, I can't imagine anyone saying they'd prefer four more of Trump, rather than take Joe, Warren, Bernie, or even Buttigieg for that matter.

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I'd take a dog turd over Trump and his thugs in the GOP. I'm not a fan of one party rule, but the Trump and the GOP have pissed me off so much, I'm rooting for the Democrats to control the entire government, and hope they undo as much of Trump's damage as possible. The GOP deserves to be completely out of power for a while after enabling and defending this mob boss of a president the past few years.