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Who Won Last Night's Debate?

Who Won the Debate?

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Poll incoming. The less memorable candidates will be grouped together under "Other" due to forum constraints.
 
Bernie and Warren. Klobuchar and Pete both made their cases well.
 
A Trump fanboi just couldn't resist adding Donald Trump to the poll.

Geezus lol.
 
I voted Buttigieg simply because I think he made the biggest strides forward last night.

He showed passion and some grit.

Warren might still prove to be the true front-runner, but she was already heading in that direction after the last debate.
 
In the arena that matters most, namely the up and coming primaries and caucuses, Warren has eclipsed Biden as the current front runner.

Biden constantly fumbles. He can no longer make cogent points. He repeats empty phrases; last night he repeatedly used the words "in fact". He has become an 'Old Man Has Been'... and does a poor job of trying to look and act Presidential.

Sanders' best chance ended with the 2016 primaries.

Pete articulates well, has a good ground game and strong fundraising operation. His sexual orientation, lack of Big League experience and lack of support among the Black vote create too many obstacles to winning this election cycle.

Harris lost some ground. Booker gained a little ground. They both have a shot as a running mate or at a cabinet position.

Amy gained ground toward making the next debate stage. Yang and Tom have a role in the debates; neither can win.

Say goodbye to Tulsi, Beto and Castro!
 
Just a quick glance at the Primary and Caucus schedule:

The following primary and caucus dates have been scheduled by state statutes or state party decisions, but are subject to change pending legislation, state party delegate selection plans, or the decisions of state secretaries of state:[309]

February 3: Iowa caucuses
February 11: New Hampshire primary
February 22: Nevada caucuses
February 29: South Carolina primary
March 3: Super Tuesday (Alabama, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Maine, Massachusetts, Minnesota, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, and Virginia primaries); American Samoa caucuses; Democrats Abroad party-run primary for expatriates features a March 3–10 voting period.
March 10: Idaho, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, and Washington primaries; North Dakota firehouse caucuses (identical to a party-run primary).
March 14: Northern Mariana Islands caucuses
March 17: Arizona, Florida, Illinois, and Ohio primaries
March 24: Georgia primary[310]
March 29: Puerto Rico primary[311]
April 4: Alaska, Hawaii, and Louisiana primaries; Wyoming caucuses
April 7: Wisconsin primary
April 28: Connecticut, Delaware, Maryland, New York, Pennsylvania, and Rhode Island primaries
May 2: Kansas primary; Guam caucuses
May 5: Indiana primary
May 12: Nebraska and West Virginia primaries
May 19: Kentucky and Oregon primaries
June 2: Montana, New Jersey, New Mexico, and South Dakota primaries
June 6: United States Virgin Islands caucuses
June 16: District of Columbia primary (bill proposing a move to June 2 has been approved by the DC Council and now only awaits final approval by the US Congress for enactment)[312][313]
The 57 states, districts, territories, or other constituencies with elections of pledged delegates to decide the Democratic presidential nominee, currently plan to hold the first major determining step for these elections via 50 primaries[l] and seven caucuses (Iowa, Nevada, Wyoming, and four territories).[309] The number of states holding caucuses decreased from 14 in the 2016 nomination process to only three in 2020.
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2020 Democratic Party presidential primaries - Wikipedia

Quick glimpse at the Battleground states forecast: PA, WI and AZ the most volatile.

Larry J. Sabato's Crystal Ball >> 2020 President
 
Bernie won the entire day. I enjoyed his subtleness when he said he'd have a big campaign stop in NYC over the weekend
and will have a 'special guest'. Later the news broke that AOC will endorse Bernie at that event giving Bernie a huge boost,
only Obama's endorsement would have been as significant.
 
slick said:
Bernie won the entire day. I enjoyed his subtleness when he said he'd have a big campaign stop in NYC over the weekend
and will have a 'special guest'. Later the news broke that AOC will endorse Bernie at that event giving Bernie a huge boost,
only Obama's endorsement would have been as significant.
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OAC's endorsement was expected and doesn't move the needle for moderate/centrist Democrats or independents towards Sanders.

Warren and Buttigieg or Booker.

If not on the ticket I'd like to see Kamala Harris as Attorney General with a mandate to prosecute Trump & Co. and everyone who knew/ignored crimes being committed.
 
AmNat said:
Poll incoming. The less memorable candidates will be grouped together under "Other" due to forum constraints.
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I did. I had a wonderful game of Shadowrun with some great friends and I caught the highlights this morning.
 
AmNat said:
Poll incoming. The less memorable candidates will be grouped together under "Other" due to forum constraints.
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Bernie and Warren definitely. At this point the nomination is clearly the progressive's to lose I feel.

Biden was a clear loser; again more stumbling and bumbling that will likely solidify his ongoing decay.

Buttigieg had moments but in balance looked bad as he swung between his typical yawn inducing empty platitudes and trying, and largely failing, to attack the policies of Warren and Sanders on the basis that they would be 'divisive'.

Steyer had several excellent moments where he acknowledged, in agreement with Bernie, the descent of this country into plutocracy and domination by corporations and billionaires like himself, as well as the need for strong, substantive reforms in terms of both campaign finance and taxation; a surprisingly good appearance, and one that greatly increased my esteem for him.

Yang had some good moments, and probably helped his campaign.

Tulsi failed to land any knockout blows and betrayed stances that will likely devastate support for her among progressives which was one of her lynchpin demos. While she made some good points, I also was generally underwhelmed by her foreign policy discourse which is supposed to be one of her strengths.

Don't have much to say about the rest; they're done in either case.

Rogue Valley said:
OAC's endorsement was expected and doesn't move the needle for moderate/centrist Democrats or independents towards Sanders.

Warren and Buttigieg or Booker.

If not on the ticket I'd like to see Kamala Harris as Attorney General with a mandate to prosecute Trump & Co. and everyone who knew/ignored crimes being committed.
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AOC's endorsement could conceivably have gone to Warren, and it is very relevant and significant that it didn't; likewise with Ilhan Omar and Rashida.

The only person with a real chance among those listed is Warren.
 
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Trump won, and he wasn't even present. He probably had more people following him on Twitter last night than there were people watching the debate. I tried to watch, at least, most of it, but I couldn't. The level stupid that was on last night was unbearable. The ONLY one that sounded, somewhat, sane on stage was Tulsi Gabbard, and the commentators didn't even give her much time to talk. Other than that, it was a lackluster performance by everyone at the debate:

-no plans to further lower taxes

-admitted to gun confiscation and arresting people don't comply

-kicking people off of their private insurance plans that they like and eliminating choice

-want to go back to war and helping a group who's getting support from terrorists

-wanting to impeach Trump (what's the point in running if that's what they want to do)

-wealth tax on business owners (big and small) who make over 100k a year

-repealing the current tax cuts that have set record low unemployment numbers

You want to talk about going backwards, talk about the Democrat party. They didn't even talk about climate change, abortion, nor illegal immigration:

-Climate change being the LEAST important issue because no one, except for these environmental fascist whack jobs, believes in it. It's pure fantasy that's backed up by nonsense

-Illegal immigration IS an important issue because the vast majority of Americans because they believe in borders and nations, and they want this invasion stopped. All these Democrats have proposed has been decriminalizing illegal crossings, while Mexico has their border laws up and running.

-Abortion is another BIG topic the Democrat candidates did NOT want to touch on because they know they're in the minority on that issue. Last I checked, killing babies, in or out of a womb, is not only frowned upon, but it's also barbaric and considered murder by the majority of people in the world. I had to laugh when Fauxahontas Warren brought up about providing financial and health support for kids from ages 0 on up because she's one of these baby killing advocates. It's funny every time when these Leftists bring up children because they voted 'yes' on pro-abortion bills and supported baby killing organizations because they all have to deal with ending the life of a child before being taken out of the hospital. The irony behind it all.

All this is why Trump will NEVER be impeached AND the reasons why he's going to be reelected. I'm going to make a bold prediction that Trump will win both Minnesota and New Mexico (if not more), then hold onto the ALL (or at least most) the states he won in 2016, making his victory even BIGGER than what it was back then. Can't wait to see the rebuttal from these Leftists on here. KAG 2020!
 
I didn’t watch enough of the “debate” to determine a winner; what I did observe is that out of the major candidates, Biden did himself no good.
 
Dragonfly said:
I voted Buttigieg simply because I think he made the biggest strides forward last night.

He showed passion and some grit.

Warren might still prove to be the true front-runner, but she was already heading in that direction after the last debate.
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Pete was strong and direct when he had to be - particularly with O'Rourke. I also agree he won.
 
Rogue Valley said:
A Trump fanboi just couldn't resist adding Donald Trump to the poll.

Geezus lol.
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Well, to be fair, there is an argument that some (IMO too many) democrats ascribe to - that having debates and attacking each other in any way weakens them all...and helps Trump.

Personally I think that's bull****, and ideally every single candidate in a primary should have a challenger so they can't just coast into the nomination.
 
Rogue Valley said:
OAC's endorsement was expected and doesn't move the needle for moderate/centrist Democrats or independents towards Sanders.

Warren and Buttigieg or Booker.

If not on the ticket I'd like to see Kamala Harris as Attorney General with a mandate to prosecute Trump & Co. and everyone who knew/ignored crimes being committed.
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Ocasio-Cortez's endorsement is a huge boon for the campaign. Democratic primary voters polled by Insider in July said they value her 2020 endorsement the most out of all non ex-Democratic presidents. In July, Ocasio-Cortez indicated that her endorsement would come down to either Sanders or Sen. Elizabeth Warren in an interview with CNN a few months ago.

By endorsing Sanders, she is also doing what most of her own “base” wants. It would be safer for her to remain neutral,

“The endorsement has to be a blow for Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), who, like Sanders, is running on a platform of sweeping liberal change and who has emphasized her role as a female pioneer,” notes the Post.
 
It sure as **** wasn't Biden. He looked like a whipped dog by the time the thing was over.

Then we have the resurrected Stalin, going by the name "Beto O'Rourke", saying he'd use cops to make sure his gun grabbing plan was a success.
 
Rogue Valley said:
OAC's endorsement was expected and doesn't move the needle for moderate/centrist Democrats or independents towards Sanders.

Warren and Buttigieg or Booker.

If not on the ticket I'd like to see Kamala Harris as Attorney General with a mandate to prosecute Trump & Co. and everyone who knew/ignored crimes being committed.
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I agree. I've stated before, I think whichever candidate ends up with the nomination should take all the others and form one helluva cabinet.
 
Rogue Valley said:
OAC's endorsement was expected and doesn't move the needle for moderate/centrist Democrats or independents towards Sanders.

Warren and Buttigieg or Booker.

If not on the ticket I'd like to see Kamala Harris as Attorney General with a mandate to prosecute Trump & Co. and everyone who knew/ignored crimes being committed.
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I agree. I've stated before, I think whichever candidate ends up with the nomination should take all the others and form one helluva cabinet.

I think Amy Klobuchar had her best night yet. I think Warren is still in the lead, but Pete and Bernie are not out of it yet.
 
JMR said:
I think Amy Klobuchar had her best night yet. I think Warren is still in the lead, but Pete and Bernie are not out of it yet.
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That's a pretty low bar; I suppose mediocrity might well qualify for being her best night to date. To be honest, she didn't even really stand out to me. What specific moment impressed you? I'm legitimately curious.
 
Surrealistik said:
That's a pretty low bar; I suppose mediocrity might well qualify for being her best night to date. To be honest, she didn't even really stand out to me. What specific moment impressed you? I'm legitimately curious.
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First of all, Amy is not my choice for the nomination.

I thought she did well last night by being rather aggressive in stating her case for moderation, and also delivered the strongest critique to Elizabeth Warren. Eventually Warren is going to have to spell out exactly how her policies can be enacted...better now than later. jmo

I think the ticket is going to require a mid westerner, and I think she made a case for herself.

I like Pete a lot...and if I had to say who had the best debate, I'd pick him.
 
I would say Bernie Sanders, followed by Warren. Warren loses points for being sketchy about M4A.

We have to be honest about Bernie, whether you like him or not. He's a leader, he doesn't run from his beliefs, he's all-in, he's been leading this movement all his life, and Warren at her best is standing on his shoulders. AOC, Tlaib and Omar recognize this and have endorsed him accordingly. Thus, even if Warren wins, Bernie wins. But last night, Bernie probably won overall -- especially with the post-debate endorsements.

Bernie is a Rocky-esque champion for the progressive movement.
 
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