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Will Trump last his first term?

Will he last?

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swing_voter said:
Yes, he'll survive. No republicans have signed onto the impeachment. Without at least a dozen republicans it will look completely partisan. Keep in mind that any congress can impeach any president, it doesn't matter if it's just or not. It's a completely political process.

If the impeachment is 100% partisan, what will the republicans do for revenge?
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Completely destroy the Democrats in 2020 elections.

What do you mean if?
 
F=Other

IMO he will be impeached, remain in office, but not survive the 2020 election.

With his narcissism tho, I can also see him resigning very late in the game if his poll numbers are too low...quitting and blaming everyone else rather than losing.

Would be interesting, esp. if it's past the nomination point...
 
jet57 said:
And once again we come right back 'round to how the prosecutor frames his case and what evidence 'beyond a reasonable doubt' is presented in such an ascending way that no juror CAN turn around to compare and contrast. That's what happened in both Watergate and Vietnam. There have to be enough people on both sides that care enough about the welfare and position of this country to see fact as fact and leave everything else behind. That's where we get into scary territory because I think the outcome of all of this will set the pace for things to come in the executive branch.
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I disagree. I don’t think this has anything to do with the presentation but the timing of it. You basically have a three day window in which Republicans agree that the offense is bad. After that...poof...the offense becomes tolerable.
 
Chomsky said:
I think the bolded is a salient point.

If you go on the Trump media sites, you'll see this is exactly what quite a few of the commenters propose. Hopefully this is merely internet bravado, but it does show insight into the mindset of the more hard-core Trumpers. And while I'm sure we'll have a smooth transition of power should Trump lose the upcoming election, I do very much believe there will be some rogue incidents similar to the D.C. Pizza Parlor incident. Hopefully, they will be minimal.

But I must remind you of this: In 1959 John Brown raided Harper's Ferry! The shoe was on the other foot!
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1959?
 
Cardinal said:
I’m not going to name names, but there’s a poster here who was utterly shocked by the Helsinki press conference last year in which Trump took the side of Putin over our entire intelligence and law enforcement community. He said (as best as I can remember it): “I agree. Trump is not working for the interests of the American people.” And of course, still being youthful and naive, I thought, “Aha, finally a trump supporter has come around.” Three months or so later, that poster said, in reference to that incident and in a robotic tone, “I do not believe that Trump is working in the interests of Putin over the interests of the American people.” I asked him what changed to cause a 180 degree turn like that. He repeated, “I do not believe that Trump is working in the interests of Putin over the interests of the American people.” I asked him again, and he repeated himself again.

That poster, as I described earlier, was forced to shift his moral code in order to keep supporting Trump, and I do not believe he was happy to do it. In fact, I’d say he was quite miserable about it. But here’s the really scary thing: he knew what Trump did was horribly wrong, but revoking his support for Trump was never on the table. That simply wasn’t an option, and it’s that which I think is the scariest thing of all.
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Trump only asks one simple thing of his supporters: their soul.

I bet you veteran posters that are current Trump supporters that expressed outrage on this board about Obama or others, that they now defend in Trump; doing a 180 from the arguments they would make just a few years ago. That is selling your soul.

Hell, look at the Senate. Start with Lindsey Graham.

The Humiliation of Lindsey Graham - POLITICO Magazine



He had it right the first time.

It amazes me how many people have such little regard for their soul.
 
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Cardinal said:
I disagree. I don’t think this has anything to do with the presentation but the timing of it. You basically have a three day window in which Republicans agree that the offense is bad. After that...poof...the offense becomes tolerable.
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I just have to comment, and not to further our debate on the earlier point. But this is a prime example of political expediency. And I believe I am seeing this throughout Trump world, leaders and followers alike.
 
upsideguy said:
Trump only asks one simple thing of his supporters: their soul.

I bet you veteran posters that are current Trump supporters that expressed outrage on this board about Obama or others, that they now defend in Trump; doing a 180 from the arguments they would make just a few years ago. That is selling your soul.

Hell, look at the Senate. Start with Lindsey Graham.

The Humiliation of Lindsey Graham - POLITICO Magazine



He had it right the first time.

It amazes me how many people has such little regard for their soul.
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You would win that bet.
 
Chomsky said:
We learned that the People gave Pelosi the gavel, in order to remove Trump. I think you're missing the groundswell you see occurring under (most) of our feet. Might not be occurring where you live, but it's occurring in a large enough swatch of the country to have flipped the House. And it's only becoming larger.

51% of the country does not just want Trump removed, but they want him impeached! Think about that? That's a helluva' more drastic measure than mere removal by election. They want him impeached - now! Imagine how they'll vote, if he survives his impeachment?
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And to add to that, some who say they don't want Trump impeached still won't necessarily vote for him, may in fact be just figuring it's better to vote him out.

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BrotherFease said:
PATH F - Other.
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I think time is on Trump's side in that he benefits from delay.
So, I expect Trump to prolong everything as much as possible.

I expect that the House will vote to impeach.

I expect that more information which makes Trumpco et al look dodgy will come to light .
As that information comes out, Trump will face even more pressure.

I expect Trump will continue to make unforced errors.
It seems plausible that Trump could seal his own fate under a pile of errors.
Trump may force the Senate to vote against him.

Even if Trump sees the Senate conviction coming, he will still benefit from delay.
So Trump won't resign even if Moscow Mitch tells Trump it's the Ides of March in the Senate.

At this moment, I expect Trump will end up convicting himself in the Senate.
 
Chomsky said:
I just have to comment, and not to further our debate on the earlier point. But this is a prime example of political expediency. And I believe I am seeing this throughout Trump world, leaders and followers alike.
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“Political expediency” is giving up some of the points of your bill just to get it passed. What you see happening now is a fire sale of principles, defined exclusively by one’s political orientation.
 
Fletch said:
Do you know any Trump supporters? Or have you just retired from the drudgery of having to think for yourself and let the talking heads on CNN do your thinking for you. Post #31 is so far off the deep end that I cant believe you wrote it.
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Yes I do, some live in my house. They are against Dems so they accept anything Trump does or says simply because they view pretty much all (with a few exceptions) Dems as bad, corrupt and are blinded to anything Trump does even going as far as to say that lying under oath, and apologizing for doing it, is far worse than the thousands of lies that Trump has told on far more serious issues without any humility or apologies ever.

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roguenuke said:
And to add to that, some who say they don't want Trump impeached still won't necessarily vote for him, may in fact be just figuring it's better to vote him out.

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I’m not buying that. Since February his support has been ping-ponging between 42% and 44%, and literally nothing in the news changes that dynamic. Democrats will be facing a Republican base in 2020 that is 100% energized.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Lol, where have you been the last 3 years? Trump loyalists won't even admit the things Trump has said on live TV dozens of times. All the clips of him asking Ukraine to investigate Biden were doctored as part of a liberal conspiracy. There is no bottoming out for them and they will continue to sink and ignore all of his faults and law breaking completely regardless of the rock hard evidence presented.
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IMO, modern conservatism relies almost completely on human resistance to admitting they have been fooled. To choose the pretty lie over the ugly truth.

Its the same phenomenon that allows con men to hit the same mark more than once.

The only good thing is that when they do reach the "gag point" they tend to turn on those who have been lying to them dramatically.
 
Will Trump last his first term?
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Of course he's going to finish his first term.
And if the Democrats don't get bold and creative in their nomination, if they nominate one of their politics-as-usual fossils, Trump's re-election is a lead-pipe cinch.
 
Chomsky said:
To answer the bolded, I believe they can. Despite the analogy of the the Senate "trial" with the senators acting as the jurors, the real trial is Nov 3rd 2020 with the American people pronouncing the verdict.

If done right, Pelosi will put not just Trump, but the entire Republican Party on trial. It's ingenious, if she can pull it off.
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This is why I think it is very important for Dems to maintain professionalism while conducting this investigation and any presentations of the evidence they have. Any unprofessionalism will be jumped on and spread by Trump and supporters and weaken their position.

It is also important for the Dem candidates to stick to a pretty clean, fact based campaign for the same reason. The general public is tired of the drama and name calling that has been going on for the last 3 years. Most consider that poor character for a President. Those who approve are showing to be in minority (just look at Trumps approval/disapproval ratings).

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roguenuke said:
And to add to that, some who say they don't want Trump impeached still won't necessarily vote for him, may in fact be just figuring it's better to vote him out.

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Or they may lose their taste for Trump, and simply stay home on election day. That's good enough.
 
Cardinal said:
I’m not buying that. Since February his support has been ping-ponging between 42% and 44%, and literally nothing in the news changes that dynamic. Democrats will be facing a Republican base in 2020 that is 100% energized.
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Trump needs more than just his base to win though. If you look at his approval rating when he first took office, it was the one and only time it was above 50%. Hasnt reached that since.

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Cardinal said:
“Political expediency” is giving up some of the points of your bill just to get it passed. What you see happening now is a fire sale of principles, defined exclusively by one’s political orientation.
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The two are not mutually exclusive, but good enough!
 
Chomsky said:
Or they may lose their taste for Trump, and simply stay home on election day. That's good enough.
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As long as they were part of those who voted for him in key states in 2016, yes.

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I picked be impeached but survive the senate vote, then lose in the general.


But ya never know with Trump. He's a world-class pouter ... he could quit. Especially if the senate doesn't show him enough love for him to be sure he'd survive the vote.
 
roguenuke said:
Trump needs more than just his base to win though. If you look at his approval rating when he first took office, it was the one and only time it was above 50%. Hasnt reached that since.

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And have more than just his base he will, in the form of an EC advantage, a both-sides media culture, and massive voter suppression measures, the last of which I think Democrats are seriously underestimating the significance of.
 
Path C. The Democrats in the House have already declared facts are irrelevant and that they will impeach Trump - no reason needed other than he is Trump and a Republican. It won't clear the Senate, though it could be close with such as Romney, Graham, Cruz, Paul etc figuring then they might get drafted as his replacement.

The leader of the drive to convict and remove President Trump will be the Democrat's favorite Republican-in-name-only double agent Mitt Romney, the scummiest Republican, with Graham in a distant second place. However, Trump's supporters will old strong so it won't clear the US Senate.
 
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