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Can Trump Do Wrong?

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Luther said:
Nah, Trump was elected in a large part kissing the unions ass's in those BLUE states he turned supposedly Red
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LOL. You guys just crap me up. I debate the exact same thing that Trump is president because of three blue states and many on the left debate back, telling me how wrong I am.
 
Moderate Right said:
LOL. You guys just crap me up. I debate the exact same thing that Trump is president because of three blue states and many on the left debate back, telling me how wrong I am.
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Psst... I'm not the left(wink)
 
Moderate Right said:
LOL. You guys just crap me up. I debate the exact same thing that Trump is president because of three blue states and many on the left debate back, telling me how wrong I am.
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I debate the exact same thing that Trump is president because of three blue states
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Yes, say that nice a slowly and then you may finally realize what you're saying?

Yes.... BLUE states(Hint)


"Trump is president because of three blue states

You said it, not me
 
Moderate Right said:
What? Trump was elected in a large part because of his immigration policies.
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I used immigration policy as an example of a standard Rightie position that the Lefties know they will always disagree with. I then criticized the Lefties' for acting as if the policy was something unique to Donald Trump and that everyone in the GOP is filth for not condemning him over said policy.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Or is he a paragon of virtue fighting a desperate one man struggle against the entire corrupt and evil deep state and he can do no wrong?
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1. Some (many?) people (including me) choose this option by default.

2. They are so disgusted by the absolutely huge number of unproven charges against President Trump that they throw up their hands in disgust and refuse to believe any of them.


3. If the President's enemies (they do not qualify as genuine "opponents") were smart, they would be selective and careful in charging the President with crimes. They would also speak in a rational tone. When they insult his hair, his family, and call for him to be thrown into a cage (as one California Congresswoman did), Trump supporters close ranks and resolve harder to stand by their man. That is just how human beings are built.

4. If President Trump is convicted in the Senate or defeated for reelection, there will be NO Civil War.

a. But there WILL be deep bitterness and resentment that will be expressed in ways that may eventually make the Dems regret the success of their coup d'état.
 
Acadia said:
The real question to be asked of the "resistance", is, "Can Trump do anything right?".
Trump has blown Obama's first term out of the water on so many levels, yet he'll never get any credit from the haters.
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I'd like to understand how you come to that determination. The only economic policies Trump passed were tax-cuts, which was supposed to usher in huge business investment and 3, 4, 5 and 6% GDP growth. The rich got the tax-cuts and there was no gain in investment. GDP grew for two quarters and then dipped into the 2% range. Next year is said to be worse. So, on the economy, there is no water blowing.

In foreign relations, Trump has alienated our allies and made are enemies stronger. Obama passed the ACA, which lowered the uninsured rate to historic lows and provided health coverage for tens of millions. Trump promised to make it better but only tried to destroy the ACA.

So, on the whole, I have no idea what you're talking about.
 
TheParser said:
1. Some (many?) people (including me) choose this option by default.

2. They are so disgusted by the absolutely huge number of unproven charges against President Trump that they throw up their hands in disgust and refuse to believe any of them.


3. If the President's enemies (they do not qualify as genuine "opponents") were smart, they would be selective and careful in charging the President with crimes. They would also speak in a rational tone. When they insult his hair, his family, and call for him to be thrown into a cage (as one California Congresswoman did), Trump supporters close ranks and resolve harder to stand by their man. That is just how human beings are built.

4. If President Trump is convicted in the Senate or defeated for reelection, there will be NO Civil War.

a. But there WILL be deep bitterness and resentment that will be expressed in ways that may eventually make the Dems regret the success of their coup d'état.
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Wow, what projection and lack of self-awareness.

We are talking about the same Donald Trump, right? The one that called his Republican opponents "Little Marco," and insulted Ted Cruz's wife and accused his father of the Kennedy assassination, right? The one that for the first time ever, brought penis size into a presidential debate, him? The guy that called Hillary Clinton, "Crooked Hillary" and promised to jail her, that Donald Trump? The guy who now calls a former Vice President, "Sleepy Joe?" The president that says that those that oppose him are committing treason, that guy?
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Jetboogieman said:
Just a question to stoke my curiosity.

Simple question, do you think Trump can do anything wrong?

Is he rotten to the core, engaged in criminal behaviour last and present?

Even if you don’t think he’s engaged in anything, do you think he’s capable of criminal behaviour?

Or is he a paragon of virtue fighting a desperate one man struggle against the entire corrupt and evil deep state and he can do no wrong?
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Everyone is capable. That question is irrelevant. You can't impeach someone because of what they are capable of. You think Pelosi has a squeaky clean past? You wanna bet this isn't somewhere something at least questionable?
 
American said:
Everyone is capable. That question is irrelevant. You can't impeach someone because of what they are capable of. You think Pelosi has a squeaky clean past? You wanna bet this isn't somewhere something at least questionable?
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There’s a problem in your logic here, let’s say it wasn’t Pelosi, what you’re basically saying here is that no one can hold the President accountable unless they are the aforementioned paragon of virtue and they have never done anything wrong, that person doesn’t exist.

Do you believe in conservative personal responsibility or don’t you?

Or the wrongdoing of the President and him being held accountable only conditional on what others have done?

That’s like saying I can’t be held accountable for robbing the bank because

The bank screws over people financially by selling riskier investments to people but not being upfront about it.

And the police who arrested me have killed innocent people before as an institution.
 
Jetboogieman said:
There’s a problem in your logic here, let’s say it wasn’t Pelosi, what you’re basically saying here is that no one can hold the President accountable unless they are the aforementioned paragon of virtue and they have never done anything wrong, that person doesn’t exist.

Do you believe in conservative personal responsibility or don’t you?

Or the wrongdoing of the President and him being held accountable only conditional on what others have done?

That’s like saying I can’t be held accountable for robbing the bank because

The bank screws over people financially by selling riskier investments to people but not being upfront about it.

And the police who arrested me have killed innocent people before as an institution.
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It's only a proper investigation when it follows a process accepted by all the Congress. The People have a right to be part of the process through their representatives. When one party takes full control denies other representatives the right to participate we have don't have a republic. We have precedence for how investigations, inquiries and impeachments are to proceed.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Just a question to stoke my curiosity.

Simple question, do you think Trump can do anything wrong?

Is he rotten to the core, engaged in criminal behaviour last and present?

Even if you don’t think he’s engaged in anything, do you think he’s capable of criminal behaviour?

Or is he a paragon of virtue fighting a desperate one man struggle against the entire corrupt and evil deep state and he can do no wrong?
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I am sure that if Trump ever really came out for kindness, tolerance, and common decency, his supporters would be lined up to condemn him for it.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Just a question to stoke my curiosity.

Simple question, do you think Trump can do anything wrong?

Is he rotten to the core, engaged in criminal behaviour last and present?

Even if you don’t think he’s engaged in anything, do you think he’s capable of criminal behaviour?

Or is he a paragon of virtue fighting a desperate one man struggle against the entire corrupt and evil deep state and he can do no wrong?
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Trump isn't rotten to the core - the core rotted away decades ago.

He's an empty shell of failure and disappointment hiding behind a facade propped up by the lies he tells himself and the world.
 
American said:
It's only a proper investigation when it follows a process accepted by all the Congress. The People have a right to be part of the process through their representatives. When one party takes full control denies other representatives the right to participate we have don't have a republic. We have precedence for how investigations, inquiries and impeachments are to proceed.
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Did you support the blocking of Merrick Garland, and would you support a SCOTUS appointment by McConnell if RGB dies? Just curious.
 
Luther said:
Trumper's, must look the other way or water it down when Trump does wrong

It's their duty
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No more than anti-Trumpers most go to any extent and twist every fact to the breaking point to deny any Trump accomplishment.
 
Bullseye said:
No more than anti-Trumpers most go to any extent and twist every fact to the breaking point to deny any Trump accomplishment.
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You said the same thing about Shrub.
 
Dans La Lune said:
Did you support the blocking of Merrick Garland, and would you support a SCOTUS appointment by McConnell if RGB dies? Just curious.
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Irrelevant. McConnell can't appoint anyone btw.
 
Slyfox696 said:
You didn't answer the question.


Do you believe he has engaged in criminal behavior?
The SDNY has said otherwise.
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A sentencing memo for Michael Cohen is the SDNY saying TRUMP committed a crime? Isn't that normal don't by an indictment of the individual in question. Of course if you have definitive proof within this document just go ahead and cite it.
 
American said:
Irrelevant. McConnell can't appoint anyone btw.
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You know how this works. Answer the spirit of my question if you can. And it's entirely relevant. If you can't answer it we both know why. You don't care about 'process' or 'precedent'. It's all part of the illusion that Republican/conservatives play by the rules. It's a con game and we both know it.
 
Dans La Lune said:
Which Trump accomplishment are you referring to?
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He's managed to keep socialists, progressives and "liberals" in a perpetual state of stupefying idiocy for almost three years. I find it highly amusing and an accomplishment never before accomplished.
 
Bullseye said:
He's managed to keep socialists, progressives and "liberals" in a perpetual state of stupefying idiocy for almost three years. I find it highly amusing and an accomplishment never before accomplished.
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So that's his biggest accomplishment?
 
Dans La Lune said:
You know how this works. Answer the spirit of my question if you can. And it's entirely relevant. If you can't answer it we both know why. You don't care about 'process' or 'precedent'. It's all part of the illusion that Republican/conservatives play by the rules. It's a con game and we both know it.
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You're comparing apples and oranges, and you damn well know it. Impeaching an elected President is hardly comparable to a nomination by the President.
 
American said:
You're comparing apples and oranges, and you damn well know it. Impeaching an elected President is hardly comparable to a nomination by the President.
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Getting two, maybe three SCOTUS appointments is arguably more important than one-term president. Conservatives think so. But having dodged the question twice, we both know that you don't care about process or precedent. You care when it benefits you, don't care when it doesn't, and you wax and wane your caring depending on your particular agenda. Stop pretending that you care about process and procedure because no one is buying it. It's a weak sauce argument coming from someone who doesn't buy it to begin with.

It's about the agenda for you, and so far there haven't been any consequences to conservatives for their rancid, fetid, morally bankrupt hypocrisy.
 
I don't even need to like the man, I like his policies.
 
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