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What should happen to ISIS detainees in Syria?

What should be done with ISIS detainees?

  • Send them to the U.S. for trial.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Send them to GITMO indefinitely.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Hand them over to Turkey.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Hand them over to Syria's Assad.

    Votes: 4 50.0%

  • Do nothing.

    Votes: 1 12.5%

  • Something else.

    Votes: 3 37.5%
  • Total voters
    8
Ahlevah

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There are an estimated 11,000 ISIS fighters being held in various detention facilities by the Syrian Kurds, including about 2,000 Westerners, mostly from Europe. Two of the most notorious are former British citizens who engaged in brutal acts, including the beheading of American journalist James Foley. They, along with "Jihadi John" Mohammed Emwazi, were dubbed "The Beatles" due to their British accents. It looks like the Europeans and other nations around the world whose citizens or former citizens are being held have chosen to wash their hands of the entire affair, preferring instead to toss peanuts at President Trump and the United States from their sanctimonious peanut gallery. The United States is moving to gain custody of high-value detainees, including "The Beatles." What is Europe doing? How much longer should Americans be content to keep troops in Syria when recent history has shown that the major threat is against Europe even as the Continent sits on its hands?

U.S. Moves to Take ‘High Value’ ISIS Detainees, Including Britons Who Abused Hostages - The New York Times
 
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Ahlevah said:
There are an estimated 11,000 ISIS fighters being held in various detention facilities by the Syrian Kurds, including about 2,000 Westerners, mostly from Europe. Two of the most notorious are former British citizens who engaged in brutal acts, including the beheading of American journalist James Foley. They, along with "Jihadi John" Mohammed Emwazi, were dubbed "The Beatles" due to their British accents. It looks like the Europeans and other nations around the world whose citizens or former citizens are being held have chosen to wash their hands of the entire affair, preferring instead to toss peanuts at President Trump and the United States from their sanctimonious peanut gallery. The United States is moving to gain custody of high-value detainees, including "The Beatles." What is Europe doing? How much longer should Americans be content to keep troops in Syria when recent history has shown that the major threat is against Europe even as the Continent sits on its hands?

U.S. Moves to Take ‘High Value’ ISIS Detainees, Including Britons Who Abused Hostages - The New York Times
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What is typically done to thieves, murderers and rapists in those countries which ISIS's depredations touched? I would hold Nuremberg-style trials right there in the camps. The kind that were held for members of Hitler's SS If they are found to have willingly joined ISIS, and were not simply forced at gunpoint, I would have those members hanged by the neck until dead. The rest I would let go on a stay of execution that would be a probationary period. If they engage in any activity meant to aid terrorist organizations like ISIS within five years, the stay would end and they would immediately be hanged.
 
Ahlevah said:
There are an estimated 11,000 ISIS fighters being held in various detention facilities by the Syrian Kurds, including about 2,000 Westerners, mostly from Europe. Two of the most notorious are former British citizens who engaged in brutal acts, including the beheading of American journalist James Foley. They, along with "Jihadi John" Mohammed Emwazi, were dubbed "The Beatles" due to their British accents. It looks like the Europeans and other nations around the world whose citizens or former citizens are being held have chosen to wash their hands of the entire affair, preferring instead to toss peanuts at President Trump and the United States from their sanctimonious peanut gallery. The United States is moving to gain custody of high-value detainees, including "The Beatles." What is Europe doing? How much longer should Americans be content to keep troops in Syria when recent history has shown that the major threat is against Europe even as the Continent sits on its hands?

U.S. Moves to Take ‘High Value’ ISIS Detainees, Including Britons Who Abused Hostages - The New York Times
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Something else...which is already being done.

Turkey has already made a commitment to Trump that they will take control of the terrorists. It's their baby. Whatever they do with the animals is on them.
 
Personally, since the principal victims of ISIS were Syria and Syrians, I think the Kurds should hand them over to the Syrians and let Assad determine their fate.
 
I voted "something else."

But I will refrain from posting as to what I think that "something else" should be.
 
Mycroft said:
Something else...which is already being done.

Turkey has already made a commitment to Trump that they will take control of the terrorists. It's their baby. Whatever they do with the animals is on them.
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One of the options was giving them to Turkey, so what "something else" are you referring to?
 
Captain America said:
I voted "something else."

But I will refrain from posting as to what I think that "something else" should be.
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It can't be any worse than what they did to Mr. Foley and other hostages. Tell us. I'm probably thinking the same thing.
 
Ahlevah said:
Personally, since the principal victims of ISIS were Syria and Syrians, I think the Kurds should hand them over to the Syrians and let Assad determine their fate.
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Knowing that amoral fascist Assad, he would probably let them go to continue killing his other Sunni militant rivals (which he was doing before ISIS was defeated). It is best to kill all of ISIS's core militants while we have the chance. Again, this is analogous to the situation the Allies faced after the fall of Nazi Germany and when we had many of the worst war criminals in human history at our mercy. The free world may never get a second opportunity like this. We must not let ISIS's ideology spread and re-fester again, just as we did not let many of those Nazi thought leaders continue to draw breath and exhale their ideology.
 
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Felis Leo said:
Knowing that fascist, he would probably let them go to kill his other Sunni militant rivals. It is best to kill all of them while we have the chance. Again, this is analogous to the situation the Allies faced after the fall of Nazi Germany and when we had many of the worst war criminals in human history at our mercy. The free world may never get a second opportunity like this. We must not let ISIS's ideology spread and re-fester again.
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Has he ever done that? Released an ISIS terrorist, I mean? They pretty much end up dead or detained indefinitely in prison on an industrial level, after they're tortured, that is.
 
Ahlevah said:
One of the options was giving them to Turkey, so what "something else" are you referring to?
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It's not a matter of "giving them to Turkey". Turkey has already committed to taking control of them. It's a done deal.

In effect, all the choices in the poll are moot.
 
Its Turkeys problem now.....but if I were to offer up a suggestion; are napalm strikes too over the top?
 
Mycroft said:
It's not a matter of "giving them to Turkey". Turkey has already committed to taking control of them. It's a done deal.

In effect, all the choices in the poll are moot.
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I realize that's what's supposed to happen, but nothing is a done deal until these 11,000 fighters/terrorists are actually in Turkish hands. Ultimately, since these terrorists are in Kurdish custody, what happens to them isn't up to Erdogan or Trump. If Turkey keeps hitting them with bombs they just might do something else.
 
Ahlevah said:
Has he ever done that? Released an ISIS terrorist, I mean? They pretty much end up dead or detained indefinitely in prison on an industrial level, after they're tortured, that is.
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Yes. Assad released many Caliphate-desiring Sunni Islamists from prison which formed the nascent Islamic State group before. I do not see why he wouldn't release them again.
 
Ahlevah said:
I realize that's what's supposed to happen, but nothing is a done deal until these 11,000 fighters/terrorists are actually in Turkish hands. Ultimately, since these terrorstis/fighters are in Kurdish custody, what happens to them isn't up to Erdogan or Trump. If Turkey keeps hitting them with bombs they just might do something else.
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Okay.

So then your poll is mischaracterized. It's not about what should be done, but what should the Kurds do...right?

In that case, I think they should follow Trump's lead and turn them over to Turkey.
 
Ahlevah said:
I realize that's what's supposed to happen, but nothing is a done deal until these 11,000 fighters/terrorists are actually in Turkish hands. Ultimately, since these terrorists are in Kurdish custody, what happens to them isn't up to Erdogan or Trump. If Turkey keeps hitting them with bombs they just might do something else.
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True. I would surreptitiously pay the Kurds to give all 11,000 ISIS prisoners the Jeffrey Epstein treatment. They all committed suicide while the Kurdish guards were napping. :roll:
 
One more thing. Apparently, there's a difference of opinion on this "done deal":

Turkey will take custody of Islamic State prisoners only in areas of northern Syria where Turkish troops are trying to create a buffer, Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said on Thursday, contradicting a key claim made by President Donald Trump.

Turkey Contradicts Trump on Custody of Jihadists Jailed in Syria
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Mycroft said:
Okay.

So then your poll is mischaracterized. It's not about what should be done, but what should the Kurds do...right?

In that case, I think they should follow Trump's lead and turn them over to Turkey.
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Mischaracterized? I give people a little bit of credit to understand who's actually holding these people and to be able to make a few basic inferences.
 
Ahlevah said:
Mischaracterized? I give people a little bit of credit to understand who's actually holding these people and to be able to make a few basic inferences.
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The way you worded your poll...I don't believe you.

The Kurds have no ability to send them to the US for trial. The Kurds have no ability to send them to Gitmo. Only the US has that ability.
 
Ahlevah said:
One more thing. Apparently, there's a difference of opinion on this "done deal":
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Then the Turks will have to suffer the consequences for reneging on their commitment.

Suck for them.
 
Mycroft said:
The way you worded your poll...I don't believe you.

The Kurds have no ability to send them to the US for trial. The Kurds have no ability to send them to Gitmo. Only the US has that ability.
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The inference there is the Kurds would turn them over to the U.S. with an understanding as to their ultimate fate--trial in the U.S. or whatever. If you don't believe that, well, I don't have an answer for that.
 
Bum said:
Its Turkeys problem now.....but if I were to offer up a suggestion; are napalm strikes too over the top?
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So you'd be okay with napalming children of ISIS. Okay, no potential future terrorists developed with that plan.
 
Ahlevah said:
Has he ever done that? Released an ISIS terrorist, I mean? They pretty much end up dead or detained indefinitely in prison on an industrial level, after they're tortured, that is.
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According to various Syrian sources holding themselves to be in the know, he let a large number of IS members out of jail in 2011 when the "revolution" started. Basically to have them infiltrate the revolutionaries' efforts and thus subvert them.

For someone allying himself with the likes of Hezbollah, not improbable.
 
Captain America said:
I voted "something else."

But I will refrain from posting as to what I think that "something else" should be.
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I kind of feel the same way. This poll is very hard. I would want to hand them over to whoever will execute them so we don't have to worry about them again and we can wash our hands of their deaths by saying someone else did it. They really don't deserve any mercy and their kids have already been indoctrinated.
 
Hand them over to the government of whatever country that had been captured in as ISIS as that is obviously the country with jurisdiction.

When it just become fact that the United States will selectively be the police force, prosecutor and jailer for every crime and criminal in the world? I see no basis for the USA to put anyone on trial for crimes or acts of terrorism in other countries.

This is NOT our problem and NOT within the jurisdiction of the United States. IF any are to be put on trial for crimes against humanity, this is also not a matter for the USA, though the USA may and probably should participate in the process. Otherwise, turn them over to the government of the country they are accused of committing the crime in.

Explain how we have any legal jurisdiction over an ISIS fighter who was operating in Syria? That broke no American laws whatsoever nor happened in the USA. Accordingly, the USA has neither the jurisdiction or venue to put them on trial or imprison them.
 
Felis Leo said:
What is typically done to thieves, murderers and rapists in those countries which ISIS's depredations touched? I would hold Nuremberg-style trials right there in the camps. The kind that were held for members of Hitler's SS If they are found to have willingly joined ISIS, and were not simply forced at gunpoint, I would have those members hanged by the neck until dead. The rest I would let go on a stay of execution that would be a probationary period. If they engage in any activity meant to aid terrorist organizations like ISIS within five years, the stay would end and they would immediately be hanged.
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Something like this yeah. Unfortunately the kurds might not have enough time for such trials.
 
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