View Poll Results: Do your support going to war with Turkey over Syria?

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  • Yes, we must sacrifice however many Americans and dollars to defend Kurds forever

    2 6.25%
  • Yes, other than this should be like Vietnam and we don't attack Turkey

    1 3.13%
  • No, we should get our troops out of Syria

    13 40.63%
  • No, factions/countries in that region have fought for over 3000 years

    15 46.88%
  • I don't know

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    Do your support going to war with Turkey over Syria?

    The warhawks on both sides and in the corporate media for going to war with Turkey over Syria and the Kurds. I can not recall any potential war anywhere in the world that the warhawk have not insisted we must be in - and must be in forever.

    The Kurds did not fight for us. They fought for themselves and we provided weapons, troops and support for our own goals.

    I oppose the US leaving American troops in Syria forever, just like I oppose us keeping troops in S. Korea forever, Iraq forever, and Afghanistan forever. I oppose the assumed truism that the United States is the police force of the world - for which for the first time in the entire history of nations we will endlessly sacrifice American lives, endlessly kill in war, and endlessly spend money on wars for the purpose of assuring no national borders on earth are every changed again - throwing our military into combat to protect everyone's border - but our own.

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    Re: Do your support going to war with Turkey over Syria?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The warhawks on both sides and in the corporate media for going to war with Turkey over Syria and the Kurds. I can not recall any potential war anywhere in the world that the warhawk have not insisted we must be in - and must be in forever.

    The Kurds did not fight for us. They fought for themselves and we provided weapons, troops and support for our own goals.

    I oppose the US leaving American troops in Syria forever, just like I oppose us keeping troops in S. Korea forever, Iraq forever, and Afghanistan forever. I oppose the assumed truism that the United States is the police force of the world - for which for the first time in the entire history of nations we will endlessly sacrifice American lives, endlessly kill in war, and endlessly spend money on wars for the purpose of assuring no national borders on earth are every changed again - throwing our military into combat to protect everyone's border - but our own.

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    I'm still trying to figure out why Turkey is attacking northern Syria and that Syria seems to be allowing it to happen.
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    Re: Do your support going to war with Turkey over Syria?

    Well it didn't take Turkey long to begin its ethnic cleansing anyway.
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    Re: Do your support going to war with Turkey over Syria?

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    I'm still trying to figure out why Turkey is attacking northern Syria and that Syria seems to be allowing it to happen.
    Every group in the region has always wanted their own country. If every group got their way, then sub-group, there would be 1000 countries in the region - and still they would all be in conflict with each other with endless territorial wars. They have fought over land, race, religion, clan, ancestry with each other for over 3000 years.

    The Kurds want their own country of Kurdistan and have for a very long time. The Kurds have been fighting defensively but also offensively for that goal, with their wanting a large chuck of Turkey. Because of our supplying the Kurds with weapons for our own goals, the Kurds are increasingly a significant military force poising an insurgency risk to Turkey.

    It appears Syria has become the "safe zone" for Kurdish rebels and freedom fighters, protected under the wing of the American military. Turkey probably wants to stop the growing military might and basis for a territorial claim for creating a Kurdistan territory in Syria as a launching point against areas of Turkey with a significant Kurdish population.

    Since the Kurds also want Northern Syria also in their quest for a country of their own, Syria has every reason to not support the Kurds and there is not much the Syrian government/military could do about it anyway.

    We are "allies" to both the country of Turkey and to the ethic group of the Kurds. Any military involvement we take is not only betraying an ally, but going to war against an ally - since both sides are so-called allies. Both were agreeable and supportive to our military actions in the region, not just the Kurds. Turkey is an advanced actual country. The Kurds are a collection of Kurdish clans, no country. The Kurds fought in self defense, not because they wanted to help us. Every group in that region predictably is for themselves - not us.
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    Re: Do your support going to war with Turkey over Syria?

    The warhawks always have their reasons for war. It doesn't matter if they are hypocritical. Rather, they just beat the same war drums.

    Up until a few decades ago, the history of the USA was of using military force, often with extreme brutality and force, to seize any neighboring land we want - from the Spanish, French, British, and dozens of Native American nations. We established colonies we operated under strict martial law and with military force all over the world. We still do in many countries. We have military bases all over the world.

    But the warhawks who always demand and support all the proactive military activity, also declare we should go to war against any country that acts like us, and that we should go to war against any group, people or country that doesn't like being under our military and economic thumb.

    No matter what the facts and reasons are, no matter how much the reasons for wars we are in are exactly opposite the reasons for other wars we are in, the war hawks will claim any and all facts and reasoning will always be furiously declared are reasons for getting into still more wars - and once in that war we must stay at war in that country or region until the end of time. There are no exceptions.

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    Re: Do your support going to war with Turkey over Syria?

    Would Putin even allow Trump to go to war with Turkey right now?
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    Re: Do your support going to war with Turkey over Syria?

    We had no victory and leaving plan when we defeated Iraq - and are still there.
    We had no victory plan when we took over Afghanistan - and are still there.
    We had no victory plan when we went to war in Syria - and we are still there.

    What is your victory plan when we defeat Turkey and face a perpetual insurgency there too?

    If you want us to be at military war with Turkey in Syria, what is your plan when we win? Go to war against Egypt? Libya? Yemen? - while perpetually militarily occupying Turkey fighting insurgent Turks in their own country?

    Or do you want this to be a perpetual proxy war in Syria, where the Turks have safe home base in Turkey by our not attacking Turkey?

    Do you REALLY love the Vietnam War, Korean War, Iraq Wars (2), and Afghanistan War SO that much you want to do it in Syria for the next century with Turkey?

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    Re: Do your support going to war with Turkey over Syria?

    The US keeps troops all over the world as it come with the territory. The difference between attacking a country, and attacking a country that hosts troops from the most powerful military in the world, prevents many wars from kicking off.
    The Turkey situation is iffy. Turkey is a foe of Russia, and a member of NATO, which both of those positions align with us. The only thing preventing Turkey from invading Syria was US troops in the way. What is tricky, while Turkey is our ally, so are the Kurds that fought along side US troops that defeated ISIS in that region. Hence the dilemma. So my answer to the thread question is a strong.... I donít know.

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    Re: Do your support going to war with Turkey over Syria?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Would Putin even allow Trump to go to war with Turkey right now?
    ^ A lazy and stupid TDS message attempting to derail the topic.

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    Re: Do your support going to war with Turkey over Syria?

    When did Congress authorize the war in Syria?
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