Why do you support Trump at this point?

Rickeroo said:

I support Trump in the same way Biden supporters still support Biden. "Ukraine" doesn't factor in.

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But you're not explaining why after all this you still support him.

PoS said:

Stop projecting.

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Just because you refuse to pick from the two main choices doesn't mean you're not partisan. You're still irrationally devoted to your ideology and clearly have no interest in compromising for the good of the Nation.

Honestly, Trump has been the best president we've had in 30 years. He, I believe, is today's modern day Ronald Reagan, which the country desperately needed.

At the start, I'll admit, I wasn't big into him, even years before he decided to run. I thought he was just some uber rich celebrity that simply talked a lot and never really paid attention to him. Around the time of his announcement in Summer 2015, I was for Scott Walker, someone that doesn't apologize about being conservative, and proved over and over that a true conservative can win the governor's race in a state like Wisconsin. In addition to that, he pushed back against the Left, which needed to happen. If Walker didn't get it, Ted Cruz was next, and down the line it went. NEVER was I going to vote for Jeb Bush nor John Kasich unless if I had no choice (they were disasters waiting to happen).

When Donald Trump came into the picture, I started listening to him and he had pointed out so many truths about what was going on that the other candidates were NOT pointing out or were afraid to do so. The fact that he fought back hard against not only the Left but against the Washington Establishment (or the Ruling Class, as they see themselves) and his rise through the primaries made me believe more and more that the guy can actually do it. When Walker dropped out, I didn't know if I should had thrown my support behind him or Cruz because, to me, both were good.

The night that Bush dropped out was glorious because the Establishment went ballistic. In their minds, Bush was the chosen one to be the Republican candidate, but that reprobate, Trump, bullied the honorable man out, and it only came down to that brute and the repulsive Ted Cruz (again, this was in the minds of the Establishment). When the smoke cleared, the primaries done, and Trump was the nominee, I was fully behind Trump. In many ways, my support shifted from Ted Cruz to Trump during the last parts of the primaries. Then when Election night 2016 happened, it was another glorious night seeing the entire Washington Establishment utterly defeated.

Watching the pass 3 years, I've never seen the economy this good. Record low unemployment across the board in almost all areas, stocks (despite some drawbacks) have never reached the levels that they are today, and these tax cuts are just awesome. Not to mention a US president is actually cracking down on illegal immigration, forging peace talks with North Korea and other nations, and finally recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's rightful capital. All this also serves as a way to unmask elected officials, influential political figures, and special interest lobbyists who were a part of the Establishment, whether they be, Republican, Democrat (which is practically ALL of them), and Independents.

So to you Leftists, members of the "Conservative" (faux conservative) Movement, RINOs, and Never Trump moderates/libertarians, get use to another 4 years of one of the greatest presidents we've had in a LONG time. You guys are not part of the solution, but rather a major part of all the problems we have as a nation, and these candidates you presented to run against this guy are going to lose miserably. They lack the message, the integrity, and the spine to do what is necessary for the rest of the country. Neither phony scandal nor phony impeachment proceedings are going to prevent Trump from getting reelected. You guys already lost, you just don't know it yet. KAG 2020!

jdog21 said:

I support Trump because Democrats seem to full in behind reasoning like yours. Which is the biggest peace of crap I've seen posted today. People don't care about race like you do but when large swaths of followers and Democratic party officials starts saying this stuff, I'll support who ever is on the other side of them.

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I am so sorry that you are that deluded into refusing to accept the truth.

Christians who worship Trump--yes, worship--are Christians In Name Only.

Moderate Right said:

That's the way I am. I have been a right leaning independent/moderate/centrist who has voted a mix of Democrats, Republicans, and Independents for many years. Didn't vote for Trump in the primaries. Didn't vote for Trump in the general 2016. The Democratic party has shifted way too left for me so, based on the Democratic candidates I have seen so far, I will gladly fill in the Trump bubble in 2020 to stop their crazy left agenda.

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LMAO

Some people just say stuff.

Moderate Right said:

That's the way I am. I have been a right leaning independent/moderate/centrist who has voted a mix of Democrats, Republicans, and Independents for many years. Didn't vote for Trump in the primaries. Didn't vote for Trump in the general 2016. The Democratic party has shifted way too left for me so, based on the Democratic candidates I have seen so far, I will gladly fill in the Trump bubble in 2020 to stop their crazy left agenda.

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I see you have been obeying what 4chan told you to do.

antiquity said:

Blatant lie...my wife is a die hard liberal and I don't hate her. If liberals/progressives/socialist love this country why are they trying to tear it apart with their partisanship?

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Is your wife trying to tear the country apart? What does she think of your statement?

MrWonka said:

Just because you refuse to pick from the two main choices doesn't mean you're not partisan. You're still irrationally devoted to your ideology and clearly have no interest in compromising for the good of the Nation.

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Embracing socialism is not for the good of the nation. While our international prestige under Trump continues to suffer, we're better off economically with him than with any of the Dem candidates, and thats what matters the most.

Kreton said:

LMAO

Some people just say stuff.

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It is the truth. I have voted a mix of parties for many, many elections, including just last year. Hell, I used to be a registered Democrat at one point. But, it is rather obvious that since Trump was elected the left have gone totally bonkers and much more to the left. They are losing touch with both sanity and reality in their nonstop obsession with getting Trump. The funniest part was at the very beginning, just after the election, when Jill Stein, who had zero chance of winning, wanted election recounts. Those recounts should have never been allowed because there was no chance she could win with a recount. But, we can't have Hillary ordering a recount after getting on Trump for refusing to say that he would accept the results of the election.

Moderate Right said:

It is the truth. I have voted a mix of parties for many, many elections, including just last year. Hell, I used to be a registered Democrat at one point. But, it is rather obvious that since Trump was elected the left have gone totally bonkers and much more to the left. They are losing touch with both sanity and reality in their nonstop obsession with getting Trump. The funniest part was at the very beginning, just after the election, when Jill Stein, who had zero chance of winning, wanted election recounts. Those recounts should have never been allowed because there was no chance she could win with a recount. But, we can't have Hillary ordering a recount after getting on Trump for refusing to say that he would accept the results of the election.

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And you just keep up the charade. Oh good stuff lol.

PoS said:

Embracing socialism is not for the good of the nation.

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That is a political opinion. Given that almost every nation on earth who has implemented plans similar to that of Bernie Sanders is consistently ranking higher than America in almost every Quality of Life statistic you can come up with it's pretty obvious that you fears of socialism are irrational. Maybe it's time for you to learn about it from someone other than a Libertarian think tank.

PoS said:

While our international prestige under Trump continues to suffer, we're better off economically with him than with any of the Dem candidates, and thats what matters the most.

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Again no rational basis whatsoever for this nonsense. Historically the economy has actual produced better results under Democratic Presidents and this time is no different. Even with Trump running completely unnecessary deficits we're still not producing better economic result than we did under Obama and it's looking more and more like the bubble Trump has created is starting to burst.

Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee, South Carolina, Arkansas... consistently the most Conservative states in the country for decades now and consistently they bring up the ass end of the country economically. They don't invest in their workers or their child's education. They let their infrastructure crumble in favor of low taxes that do little to bring in jobs.

Meanwhile Liberal states like Minnesota, Washington, Massachusetts, Connecticut and yes even California, Illinois, and Michigan in many ways are consistently at or near the top of the country economically. They invest in their people and their children's education. They have high taxes, but they use that money to invest in things that are far more successful at attracting business than silly tax cuts.

Every shred of evidence points to the inescapable conclusion that you don't know as much about economics as you think you do and yet you bullheadedly sit there and let a reckless lunatic destroy everything that was ever good about America due to your misplaced confidence in a free market that is not remotely free.

You want to lean something about economics? I suggest you educate yourself on the concept of a Nash Equilibrium. The free market can't fix them, the government can.

eman623 said:

Surprisingly I agree with all of the possible choices to one extent or another. Trump is amazingly entertaining, and he's there to shake things up that desperately need to be shaken up, and some of his policies are sound and..., yeah I'll say it. Still better than Hillary. :lol:

The biggest reason is probably simple tribalism. There's two sides in this country and no one ever crosses the line not even for a minute. If you're on Trump's side then you better ALWAYS be on Trump's side. And if you're 'agin him, then even expressing lukewarm support for this or that policy of his will cause eyebrows to rise among others in your tribe.

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Trump is shaking this up the way a bull in a china shop shakes things up. He's driving career professions out of government in both the diplomatic corp and the sciences. The loss will be felt for generations to come. We can't run a country on what we think the facts should be. The actual facts matter, even when they don't support what you want. You can't just take a Sharpie and change the facts. That's what he does.

PoS said:

I hate Trump. Never voted for him and still wont, but I hope he wins reelection.

Why?

Because despite his glaring faults, he remains head and shoulders above his Democrat opponents- who have gone so far left they ought to walk around with crossed hammers and sickles in their hands.

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This is why conservatives in Germany, circa 1932, supported Hitler. They were so fearful of the opposition, that they would do anything to stop it. With what we know about Trump now and history, is it really worth destroying our democratic institutions and ideals to prevent liberals who have no chance in hell of passing their most progressive reforms, from winning power?

I hope not.

Beyond that, what is an example of the Democrats going "so far left?" Supporting a tax structure that was once endorsed by President Eisenhower?

PoS said:

Embracing socialism is not for the good of the nation.

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I haven’t seen much about the substance of the policies Democrats advocate as "socialism," which means the government owning the means of production. On economics their main policies are Medicare for All and higher taxes on the rich.

So here’s what you should know: Their policy ideas are definitely bold, and you can make some substantive arguments against them. But they aren’t crazy. By contrast, the ideas of Tea Party Republicans are crazy; in fact, the Democrat’s policy positions are a lot more sensible than those of the Republican mainstream, let alone the GOP’s more radical members.

Let's compare Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren to Dave Brat, who unseated Eric Cantor. Brat favors a constitutional amendment forcing a balanced budget every year, which 96% of economists think is a really bad idea. Medicare for all is a deliberately ambiguous phrase, but in practice probably wouldn’t mean pushing everyone into a single-payer system. Instead, it would mean allowing individuals and employers to buy into Medicare – basically a big public option. That’s really not radical at all. On taxes, we had a 50% upper-income tax-rate when Reagan was president and a 70% one in the 1970s. Unless someone is saying that we were a socialist nation in the 1970s, the narrative has no basis.

What Democrats are proposing is no more socialist than already exists in Denmark. The last time that I checked, Denmark was a capitalist democracy.

We know, any policy that Republicans don't like is painted as Marxism. Remember, this is the party that said passage of Medicare in 1965 would mean that we would all lose our freedom.

PoS said:

Embracing socialism is not for the good of the nation. While our international prestige under Trump continues to suffer, we're better off economically with him than with any of the Dem candidates, and thats what matters the most.

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Can you give an example of the socialism about which you speak?

Every Republican president over the last 100 years as brought a recession in their second term. Trump inherited a strong economy from Obama. To juice it up, he has used up many of the strategies that we hold in reserve for tough economic times, such as tax cuts for the rich, that will not be available once the economy does go south. He is also removing some of the safe guards put in place after the 2008 meltdown.

MTAtech said:

I haven’t seen much about the substance of the policies Democrats advocate as "socialism," which means the government owning the means of production. On economics their main policies are Medicare for All and higher taxes on the rich.

So here’s what you should know: Their policy ideas are definitely bold, and you can make some substantive arguments against them. But they aren’t crazy. By contrast, the ideas of Tea Party Republicans are crazy; in fact, the Democrat’s policy positions are a lot more sensible than those of the Republican mainstream, let alone the GOP’s more radical members.

Let's compare Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren to Dave Brat, who unseated Eric Cantor. Brat favors a constitutional amendment forcing a balanced budget every year, which 96% of economists think is a really bad idea. Medicare for all is a deliberately ambiguous phrase, but in practice probably wouldn’t mean pushing everyone into a single-payer system. Instead, it would mean allowing individuals and employers to buy into Medicare – basically a big public option. That’s really not radical at all. On taxes, we had a 50% upper-income tax-rate when Reagan was president and a 70% one in the 1970s. Unless someone is saying that we were a socialist nation in the 1970s, the narrative has no basis.

What Democrats are proposing is no more socialist than already exists in Denmark. The last time that I checked, Denmark was a capitalist democracy.

We know, any policy that Republicans don't like is painted as Marxism. Remember, this is the party that said passage of Medicare in 1965 would mean that we would all lose our freedom.

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Besides that, many of the Democrat's bold plans won't be passed. We'll all be living under water by the time the New Green Deal comes up for vote.

j brown's body said:

Besides that, many of the Democrat's bold plans won't be passed. We'll all be living under water by the time the New Green Deal comes up for vote.

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That may be true. I'm just stating that labeling everything that helps average Americans as 'socialism' is hogwash.

There is no doubt Trump is the best president since Abraham Lincoln, best president in the last 165 years.

I am no longer going to be mean to the liberals because over the next couple years you will all come to like Trump...

As we move past this whole socialism invades America thing... you will be more and more grateful to Mr. Trump.

And it will eventually look foolish to keep mocking him. So hard lessons will be learned.

PoS said:

Embracing socialism is not for the good of the nation. While our international prestige under Trump continues to suffer, we're better off economically with him than with any of the Dem candidates, and thats what matters the most.

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The Dems aren't 'embracing socialism'.

You seem rather confused by that word.

Dans La Lune said:

Honest question.

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We tried turning the other cheek with Bush, he was hounded on every level.
We tried patriotism and service with McCain, he was roundly rejected and attacked endlessly.
We tried nice and unassuming with Romney, perhaps the least offensive human being around, more attacks.

Now we have Trump. He fights. He may not have full throated support, but he has support because he takes nothing lying down, he doesn't turn the other cheek, he doesn't play nice---he plays the political game exactly the way the Democrats have been since the 60s. Culture war, no prisoners, no argument left unaddressed.

PoS said:

You mean like Biden, Warren and Bernie, who want universal healthcare, massive tax increases against the rich and successful companies, trillion dollar spending on the environment, reparations for slavery, and so on?

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Sanders and Warren are two of the people I thought of when I mentioned progressives.
Biden is center-right. He doesn't want universal healthcare, but he knows his voters want something better than we have, and to pay for it will most likely require tax increases (and the back and forth over what constitutes reasonable taxes will never end).

Trillion dollar spending on fighting off climate change is a requirement, not a choice, it's just that some won't accept it.

Reparations for slavery I have to say I am a bit leery of - I can see an argument for it (the system held back slaves and decedents of slaves for decades, and still does in a way), but depending what form it takes I might have issues with it.

But....no, none of that is communist.

Socialism, for damn sure. But we've had socialist programs for decades now, and many of the proposals I've seen try to improve upon or replace with better the existing ones - or fix the lingering issues we haven't addressed.

PoS said:

Do these other countries have a wealth tax that the democrats are proposing? Sweden tried and then abandoned theirs, same as France.

Do any of these countries pay for slavery reparations or spend trillions to supposedly prevent some environmental catastrophe thats not going to happen? I think not.

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What the Dems are proposing is to actually tax the rich who have been steadily getting cuts for the last 40 years.

Opinion | The Rich Really Do Pay Lower Taxes Than You - The New York Times

Now answer my question... what do those countries have to do with communism???? :screwy:screwy:screwy

Eriech said:

Probably was a generalization, they do not all hate. Some are just ignorant.

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How ironic you should bring up ignorant.

Phys251 said:

I am so sorry that you are that deluded into refusing to accept the truth.

Christians who worship Trump--yes, worship--are Christians In Name Only.

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People who look for race in everything are racist.

jdog21 said:

People who look for race in everything are racist.

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