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    Re: Who was a better leader Ian Smith or Robert Mugabe?

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    When you receive your monthly ANC progress report do they include dates when Julius Malema rallies the faithful touring the country
    calling for nationalization of private businesses & singing his theme song 'Kill the Boer"

    Your posts reveal that Julius Malema is your type of guy, your idea of a genuine leader.
    Julius Malema called on his followers to go after the white man and cut the throat of whiteness.

    A while back Julius Malema accused Jews and right-wingers of training snipers to try to stop the
    government’s land grab from white farmers, he then told white people he won’t kill them… At least not yet!

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    Majority of South Africans now say that it was better under apartheid

    Try to understand how anti-democrats dispossess democrats in diverse societies when democracy empowers an
    ethnic majority over a more capable ethnic minority. In diverse societies democracy becomes a toxic cocktail!
    As a 19th century Frenchman first explained 'When I am the weaker I ask you for my freedom because that is
    your principle; but when I am the stronger I take away your freedom because that is my principle.'

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    give it up! I’ve literally done nothing but thrash your deceptive trash whenever we've clashed horns?
    Not only that, both apartheid South Africa and Rhodesia were laughably incompetent; their fanatical defense of white supremacist ideology only meant that they were drawn into a unwinnable war against an opponent who took everything they could hurl at them and kept striking back.

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    “Project Coast claimed its first victims at the end of 1982, when "Operation Duel" was launched, which aimed to eliminate hundreds of SWAPO prisoners and SADF informants. Col. Johan Theron, counterintelligence officer in the Special Forces, testified at the Basson trial that he received muscle relaxant pills from Basson in December 1982, and killed approximately 200 SWAPO prisoners, then dumped their bodies from aeroplanes out to sea.”

    “Research on birth control methods to reduce the black birth rate was one such area. Daan Goosen, the managing director of Roodeplaat Research Laboratories between 1983 and 1986, told Tom Mangold of the BBC that Project Coast supported a project to develop a contraceptive that would have been applied clandestinely to blacks. Goosen reported that the project had developed a vaccine for males and females and that the researchers were still searching for a means by which it could be delivered to make blacks sterile without making them aware. Testimony given at the Truth and Reconciliation Commission (TRC) suggested that Project Coast researchers were also looking into putting birth control substances in water supplies.[8][9]”

    “Civil Cooperation Bureau operative Petrus Jacobus Botes (who claimed to have also directed bureau operations in Mozambique and Swaziland) asserted that he was ordered in May 1989, to contaminate the water supply at Dobra, a refugee camp located in Namibia, with cholera and yellow fever organisms. A South African Army doctor provided them to him. In late August 1989, he led an attempt to contaminate the water supply. The attempt failed because of the high chlorine content in the treated water at the camp.[7]”
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    Re: Who was a better leader Ian Smith or Robert Mugabe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerace117 View Post
    Not only that, both apartheid South Africa and Rhodesia were laughably incompetent; their fanatical defense of white supremacist ideology only meant that they were drawn into a unwinnable war against an opponent who took everything they could hurl at them and kept striking back.

    Project Coast - Wikipedia

    “Project Coast claimed its first victims at the end of 1982, when "Operation Duel" was launched, which aimed to eliminate hundreds of SWAPO prisoners and SADF informants. Col. Johan Theron, counterintelligence officer in the Special Forces, testified at the Basson trial that he received muscle relaxant pills from Basson in December 1982, and killed approximately 200 SWAPO prisoners, then dumped their bodies from aeroplanes out to sea.”

    “Research on birth control methods to reduce the black birth rate was one such area. Daan Goosen, the managing director of Roodeplaat Research Laboratories between 1983 and 1986, told Tom Mangold of the BBC that Project Coast supported a project to develop a contraceptive that would have been applied clandestinely to blacks. Goosen reported that the project had developed a vaccine for males and females and that the researchers were still searching for a means by which it could be delivered to make blacks sterile without making them aware. Testimony given at the Truth and Reconciliation Commission (TRC) suggested that Project Coast researchers were also looking into putting birth control substances in water supplies.[8][9]”

    “Civil Cooperation Bureau operative Petrus Jacobus Botes (who claimed to have also directed bureau operations in Mozambique and Swaziland) asserted that he was ordered in May 1989, to contaminate the water supply at Dobra, a refugee camp located in Namibia, with cholera and yellow fever organisms. A South African Army doctor provided them to him. In late August 1989, he led an attempt to contaminate the water supply. The attempt failed because of the high chlorine content in the treated water at the camp.[7]”
    This is your suppossed argument that indigenous peoples were better off under Mugabe than Ian Smith. I wish I had a a suggestion as
    I'm someone who wants you to raise your game. Cant go much lower. Even your fellow social justice enthusiasts realize Zimbabwe
    was a disaster under Mugabe. You're suppossed to notice stuff like that. If this was an attempt at contradiction it's a very poor
    unskillful attempt to do so.

    Majority of South Africans now say that it was better under apartheid.

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    "A new [2015] poll finds that fewer South Africans believe that life has improved since 1994, than those who believe that
    life was better before the ANC government took over." "less than four in 10 citizens (37%) believe that these conditions are “better”
    than in 1994, while six in 10 (62%) say they have either stayed the same or deteriorated.”

    CASE CLOSED, I figured it was about time for you to start bitching about white people again, thus your peculiar analysis
    concerning whose to blame over the tragic failure of Zimbabwe since Mugabe took over. Almost as soon as Mugabe was
    at the helm a campaign of terror was waged against the Ndebele people in Matabeleland in western Zimbabwe where more
    than 30,000 black civilians of different tribal allegiance were killed by Robert Mugabe’s feared Fifth Brigade.

    Joshua Nkomo, represented the main obstacle. Zapu enjoyed overwhelming support among the Ndebele and was seen as
    an impediment by the leadership of Zanu-PF. In the words of Mugabe, the people of Matabeleland needed to be “re-educated.
    Documents appear to provide evidence that the massacres were but one component of a sustained and strategic effort to remove
    all political opposition within five years of independence. Zanu-PF leaders were determined to secure a “victory” against a non-existent
    opposition in elections scheduled for 1985, after which there would be a “mandate” from the people to impose a one-party state.

    The western response to violence against Mugabe's black countrymen in the 1980s was a pale shadow of the reaction to attacks
    on white farmers in 2000. Many Ndebele remain bitter about this inconsistency.

    I realize Mugabe is tops with you but is he more worthy of your praise than the Algerian Arab leader President Houari Boumediene.
    Afterall Boumediene was the prophet of the demise of whiteness:

    'One day, millions of men will leave the Southern Hemisphere to go to the Northern Hemisphere. And they will not go there as friends. Because
    they will go there to conquer it. And they will conquer it with their sons. The wombs of our women will give us victory.'

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    Re: Who was a better leader Ian Smith or Robert Mugabe?

    Quote Originally Posted by slick View Post
    This is your suppossed argument that indigenous peoples were better off under Mugabe than Ian Smith. I wish I had a a suggestion as
    I'm someone who wants you to raise your game. Cant go much lower. Even your fellow social justice enthusiasts realize Zimbabwe
    was a disaster under Mugabe. You're suppossed to notice stuff like that. If this was an attempt at contradiction it's a very poor
    unskillful attempt to do so.

    Majority of South Africans now say that it was better under apartheid.

    BusinessTech...
    "A new [2015] poll finds that fewer South Africans believe that life has improved since 1994, than those who believe that
    life was better before the ANC government took over." "less than four in 10 citizens (37%) believe that these conditions are “better”
    than in 1994, while six in 10 (62%) say they have either stayed the same or deteriorated.”

    CASE CLOSED, I figured it was about time for you to start bitching about white people again, thus your peculiar analysis
    concerning whose to blame over the tragic failure of Zimbabwe since Mugabe took over. Almost as soon as Mugabe was
    at the helm a campaign of terror was waged against the Ndebele people in Matabeleland in western Zimbabwe where more
    than 30,000 black civilians of different tribal allegiance were killed by Robert Mugabe’s feared Fifth Brigade.

    Joshua Nkomo, represented the main obstacle. Zapu enjoyed overwhelming support among the Ndebele and was seen as
    an impediment by the leadership of Zanu-PF. In the words of Mugabe, the people of Matabeleland needed to be “re-educated.
    Documents appear to provide evidence that the massacres were but one component of a sustained and strategic effort to remove
    all political opposition within five years of independence. Zanu-PF leaders were determined to secure a “victory” against a non-existent
    opposition in elections scheduled for 1985, after which there would be a “mandate” from the people to impose a one-party state.

    The western response to violence against Mugabe's black countrymen in the 1980s was a pale shadow of the reaction to attacks
    on white farmers in 2000. Many Ndebele remain bitter about this inconsistency.

    I realize Mugabe is tops with you but is he more worthy of your praise than the Algerian Arab leader President Houari Boumediene.
    Afterall Boumediene was the prophet of the demise of whiteness:

    'One day, millions of men will leave the Southern Hemisphere to go to the Northern Hemisphere. And they will not go there as friends. Because
    they will go there to conquer it. And they will conquer it with their sons. The wombs of our women will give us victory.'
    As I said before, had the apartheid thugs not been so fanatically desperate to preserve a despicable white suprematist ideology, Mugabe likely never would have risen to power. And if you can’t face the fact that trying to forcibly sterilized the native population of South Africa is deeply evil, you are even more despicable than I previously thought.....and the bar for that had already been set at about two inches above the ground.

    Oh look, you still haven’t provided a working link, or any evidence of the methodology of the poll.....for example, who they specifically asked . But yes, I get that you are dumb enough to consider that “case closed”.

    Which is literally no different than the campaigns of terror waged against the native people of Zimbabwe by the Rhodesian thugs for decades. As I have repeatedly shown.

    Please provide evidence of me saying Mugabe was “the tops” or anything other than the destruction of the scum sucking apartheid regimes, which brutally oppressed their own people for decades, was a good thing. It is a testimony to the greatness of Nelson Mandela that the country held together after decades of tyranny and oppression.

    Wow, you Klansmen are truly pathetic. I do think it’s ****ing hilarious that your reaction to the murder of hundreds of prisoners, an attempt at mass sterilization and an attempt to use biological and chemical weapons is “no big deal” and then a rant about how “whiteness” is going to die.

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    Re: Who was a better leader Ian Smith or Robert Mugabe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerace117 View Post
    As I said before, had the apartheid thugs not been so fanatically desperate to preserve a despicable white suprematist ideology, Mugabe likely never would have risen to power. And if you can’t face the fact that trying to forcibly sterilized the native population of South Africa is deeply evil, you are even more despicable than I previously thought.....and the bar for that had already been set at about two inches above the ground.

    Oh look, you still haven’t provided a working link, or any evidence of the methodology of the poll.....for example, who they specifically asked . But yes, I get that you are dumb enough to consider that “case closed”.

    Which is literally no different than the campaigns of terror waged against the native people of Zimbabwe by the Rhodesian thugs for decades. As I have repeatedly shown.

    Please provide evidence of me saying Mugabe was “the tops” or anything other than the destruction of the scum sucking apartheid regimes, which brutally oppressed their own people for decades, was a good thing. It is a testimony to the greatness of Nelson Mandela that the country held together after decades of tyranny and oppression.

    Wow, you Klansmen are truly pathetic. I do think it’s ****ing hilarious that your reaction to the murder of hundreds of prisoners, an attempt at mass sterilization and an attempt to use biological and chemical weapons is “no big deal” and then a rant about how “whiteness” is going to die.
    Don't be silly. More blacks were tortured & killed in the 1st 6 years of Mugabe rule, than in the entire 15 years of Smith Rhodesia
    as Mugabe eliminated all black opposition in order to erect his one party state.
    And when Smith battled the rebels he had more blacks in his forces than whites at times during the rebellion.

    What is to be remembered is that Rhodesia once the breadbasket of Africa, after the one man, one vote,
    one time event in late last century led to the Zimbabwe rule of Mugabe and the breadbasket of Africa became the
    cesspool of Africa. That my final statement on this matter. I as usual feel I'm knee deep in midgets dealing with you again,
    tired of wasting time!
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    Re: Who was a better leader Ian Smith or Robert Mugabe?

    Quote Originally Posted by slick View Post
    Don't be silly. More blacks were tortured & killed in the 1st 6 years of Mugabe rule, than in the entire 15 years of Smith Rhodesia
    as Mugabe eliminated all black opposition in order to erect his one party state.
    And when Smith battled the rebels he had more blacks in his forces than whites at times during the rebellion.

    What is to be remembered is that Rhodesia once the breadbasket of Africa, after the one man, one vote,
    one time event in late last century led to the Zimbabwe rule of Mugabe and the breadbasket of Africa became the
    cesspool of Africa. That my final statement on this matter. I as usual feel I'm knee deep in midgets dealing with you again,
    tired of wasting time!

    Oh look, the Klansman is fleeing with his tail between his legs......again.

    Just like your confederate heroes who got their asses whooped time and again.

    Yes, and there were plenty of Slavs amongst the Ostruppen as well, but that doesn’t mean that they were well treated either in the military or in society at large. Considering that I have extensively documented apartheid legislations and restrictions throughout this thread it’s laughably clear that you are desperately grasping at straws.


    I see you desperately ignored the atrocities committed by the apartheid forces.....typical.

    The rise of Mugabe and everything he did was the direct result of the stupidity and brutality of the white supremacist thugs running Rhodesia, who sucked their country into an unwinnable war to preserve a vile ideology. Everywhere white supremacists are allowed to running things they leave countries in ruins and societies devastated. Your ideology failed miserably in South Africa and Rhodesia, as it had failed across the globe. And good riddance.

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    Re: Who was a better leader Ian Smith or Robert Mugabe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerace117 View Post
    Oh look, the Klansman is fleeing with his tail between his legs......again.

    Just like your confederate heroes who got their asses whooped time and again.

    Yes, and there were plenty of Slavs amongst the Ostruppen as well, but that doesn’t mean that they were well treated either in the military or in society at large. Considering that I have extensively documented apartheid legislations and restrictions throughout this thread it’s laughably clear that you are desperately grasping at straws.


    I see you desperately ignored the atrocities committed by the apartheid forces.....typical.

    The rise of Mugabe and everything he did was the direct result of the stupidity and brutality of the white supremacist thugs running Rhodesia, who sucked their country into an unwinnable war to preserve a vile ideology. Everywhere white supremacists are allowed to running things they leave countries in ruins and societies devastated. Your ideology failed miserably in South Africa and Rhodesia, as it had failed across the globe. And good riddance.
    The thread concerns Who was a better leader Ian Smith or Robert Mugabe?
    Your response is peculiar especially for a social justice enthusiast.
    Mugabe wwas hardly the poster boy for social justice

    Another clumsy response. Equating atrocities committed by the Smith's Rhodesian militia
    in order to squash a rebellion to the death of some 30,000 blacks by the newly formed
    Zimbabwe govt. under Mugabe just because those innocent citizens of the newly formed govt.
    happened to be of a different tribe.

    The massacres were part of a sustained effort to remove all political opposition within five years.
    Mugabe & his partners in crime were determined to secure a “victory” in the most egregious
    & sinister way ever devised to impose a one-party state.

    Rhodesia which was led by a white minority for decades was permanently damaged when
    Mugabe swept to a landslide victory by arousing the political consciousness of indiginous blacks
    who comprised over 90% of the population. The awakening of the destitute based on ethnic
    populism lead to 30 years of Zimbabwe's neverending tragic situation.

    Riding shotgun for Mugabe I suggest puts you in a dreadful light with entire segments of
    SJW advocates, not that I care but continue to sluggishly motor on.

    Not the worst of you historical contributions but a solid second to your appraisal of why
    the 'Wizard of the Saddle' black friends paid homage to his passsing flocking in historic
    numbers over 2,000 demolishing the myth that contemporaneous blacks hated Forrest.

    Maybe you have forgotten or perhaps even more likely the intensity of your contemptible bias was on display
    when you posted your interpretation of why thousands of newly freed African-Americans appreciated Forrest
    to the extent that some traveled miles to attend his funeral.

    Do you recall how you sized up the noble gestures of Forrest’s many well-wishers, here goes:

    'The blacks knew if they didn't show up at Forrest's funeral they'd have a mob of thugs on their doorstep.’

    If that post isn’t evidence of a miserable fanatical scribbler then I don’t know what is!

    You have the lowest value to post ratio of anyone alive! Nobody is even in the same realm!
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    Re: Who was a better leader Ian Smith or Robert Mugabe?

    Quote Originally Posted by slick View Post
    The thread concerns Who was a better leader Ian Smith or Robert Mugabe?
    Your response is peculiar especially for a social justice enthusiast.
    Mugabe wwas hardly the poster boy for social justice

    Another clumsy response. Equating atrocities committed by the Smith's Rhodesian militia
    in order to squash a rebellion to the death of some 30,000 blacks by the newly formed
    Zimbabwe govt. under Mugabe just because those innocent citizens of the newly formed govt.
    happened to be of a different tribe.

    The massacres were part of a sustained effort to remove all political opposition within five years.
    Mugabe & his partners in crime were determined to secure a “victory” in the most egregious
    & sinister way ever devised to impose a one-party state.

    Rhodesia which was led by a white minority for decades was permanently damaged when
    Mugabe swept to a landslide victory by arousing the political consciousness of indiginous blacks
    who comprised over 90% of the population. The awakening of the destitute based on ethnic
    populism lead to 30 years of Zimbabwe's neverending tragic situation.

    Riding shotgun for Mugabe I suggest puts you in a dreadful light with entire segments of
    SJW advocates, not that I care but continue to sluggishly motor on.

    Not the worst of you historical contributions but a solid second to your appraisal of why
    the 'Wizard of the Saddle' black friends paid homage to his passsing flocking in historic
    numbers over 2,000 demolishing the myth that contemporaneous blacks hated Forrest.

    Maybe you have forgotten or perhaps even more likely the intensity of your contemptible bias was on display
    when you posted your interpretation of why thousands of newly freed African-Americans appreciated Forrest
    to the extent that some traveled miles to attend his funeral.

    Do you recall how you sized up the noble gestures of Forrest’s many well-wishers, here goes:

    'The blacks knew if they didn't show up at Forrest's funeral they'd have a mob of thugs on their doorstep.’

    If that post isn’t evidence of a miserable fanatical scribbler then I don’t know what is!

    You have the lowest value to post ratio of anyone alive! Nobody is even in the same realm!
    So much for your last unhinged rant being your “final statement”

    Ian Smith and the Rhodesian thugs directly lead to Robert Mugabe rising to power in the first place. If they had accepted the end of apartheid even five years earlier it is likely Mugabe would not have taken power. It was the fanatical stupidity of the “Rhodesians” which enabled him to come to power in the first place.


    Oh, so now we are full on into justifying the atrocities committed by Smith instead of just ignoring them. The Smith regime committed its atrocities simply because the civilians they targeted had the same skin color as those who fought against apartheid, and that is every bit as bad as killing someone over tribal loyalties.

    I hate to break to to you but the Rhodesian apartheid regime cracked down hard on political dissent for years. Just as it was your beloved terrorist cohorts who rampaged through city after city across the South murdering unarmed civilians. A terrorist group entourage slaver hero had embraced for years. And yes, your fellow klansmen absolutely would have gone on the rampage at the slightest excuse. They did it numerous times over the years.

    Considering that your posts have exactly zero value, your posturing is rather funny

    Maybe someday you’ll figure out that it’s not a minority’s fault you are such a pathetic waste of oxygen, but I doubt it.

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