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    Re: Who was a better leader Ian Smith or Robert Mugabe?

    Quote Originally Posted by slick View Post
    Nice of you to take a few minutes from your Antifa duties to chime in on this thread.

    Always amusing to watch the Klansmen falling all over each other to defend apartheid.

    Hardly surprising either given that Dylann Roof was a Rhodesia fanboy.

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    Re: Who was a better leader Ian Smith or Robert Mugabe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerace117 View Post
    The pro- apartheid Rhodesians were faced with a war which they couldn’t win, to the point where they rapidly started scraping the barrel. Due to their policies they were faced with numerous hostile neighbors who they fought a number of skirmishes with. They were at the point of actively using chemical and biological weapons in a desperate attempt to try and cut off the anti-apartheid fighters’ supply lines.

    The Rhodesian economy was totally unable to handle the strain of the war effort and Rhodesian civilian morale was in the toilet. Quite simply put, due to their own despicable ideology they were never able to actually smash the forces fighting against them in any meaningful way.
    as I noted, it was white European nations boycotts etc that was the reason Rhodesia lost, not the military
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    Re: Who was a better leader Ian Smith or Robert Mugabe?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    as I noted, it was white European nations boycotts etc that was the reason Rhodesia lost, not the military
    Except, as I already said, the vile ideology of the “Rhodesians” sucked them into a forever war that they could not win. The white Europeans had been opposing Rhodesia for substantial amounts of time, but it was the guerrillas’ actions—-and the collapse of European rule in places like Mozambique—-which doomed them.

    Why White Supremacists Identify With Rhodesia - War Is Boring - Medium

    “The rebels targeted the regime where it was weakest, such as propaganda and economic warfare. One of the biggest rebel victories was a 1978 rocket attack on Rhodesia’s strategic oil reserve. The rockets hit the fuel tanks in Salisbury, today Harare, wiping out the reserve in a single blow. Rhodesia capitulated a few months later.”

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    Re: Who was a better leader Ian Smith or Robert Mugabe?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    as I noted, it was white European nations boycotts etc that was the reason Rhodesia lost, not the military

    Sadly that was he case. Kissinger hammered the final nail in the coffin of Rhodesia. Nixon & Kissinger were IMO the greatest foreign policy
    administrators in my lifetime but this was a black mark on mostly brilliant foreign policy achievements.

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    Re: Who was a better leader Ian Smith or Robert Mugabe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerace117 View Post
    Always amusing to watch the Klansmen falling all over each other to defend apartheid.

    Hardly surprising either given that Dylann Roof was a Rhodesia fanboy.
    Do you have a chart that indicates that it is time for some more of your head scratching nonsense?

    Your crippled by bias & hatred, no responsible lawyer would ever include you in a jury to judge these matters!

    "exploited" Africans line up to vote for majority rule, 1979, followed, in many cases, by emigration to Britain or flight to South Africa.
    The "majority" today would probably emigrate anywhere they could, now that they have their "rule”.

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    Re: Who was a better leader Ian Smith or Robert Mugabe?

    Quote Originally Posted by slick View Post
    Do you have a chart that indicates that it is time for some more of your head scratching nonsense?

    Your crippled by bias & hatred, no responsible lawyer would ever include you in a jury to judge these matters!

    "exploited" Africans line up to vote for majority rule, 1979, followed, in many cases, by emigration to Britain or flight to South Africa.
    The "majority" today would probably emigrate anywhere they could, now that they have their "rule”.
    Yes, I get that to a klansman like yourself the idea that people who despise living under a tyrannical white supremacist state would be “baffling”

    “Waah! The other poster hates white supremacist thugs! Waah!”

    People were fleeing Ian Smith’s little open air prison camp for years before they finally gave up the ghost.

    Rhodesia, apartheid South Africa and the Congo “Free State” are perfect examples of the kind of hellholes which develop whenvknf allows white supremacists to run countries.

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    Re: Who was a better leader Ian Smith or Robert Mugabe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerace117 View Post
    Yes, I get that to a klansman like yourself the idea that people who despise living under a tyrannical white supremacist state would be “baffling”

    “Waah! The other poster hates white supremacist thugs! Waah!”

    People were fleeing Ian Smith’s little open air prison camp for years before they finally gave up the ghost.

    Rhodesia, apartheid South Africa and the Congo “Free State” are perfect examples of the kind of hellholes which develop whenvknf allows white supremacists to run countries.
    Got it wrong again, not surprising. The 'destruction of prosperous societies' that I am aware of those in Rhodesia, South Africa
    & Venezuela were definitely not caused by what you call 'white supremacy' those prosperous societies were actually created by
    white statesmen and were destroyed by an ill equipped non-white majority who now after that damage would take back their votes
    if they could in these states where democracy failed.

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    Re: Who was a better leader Ian Smith or Robert Mugabe?

    Quote Originally Posted by slick View Post
    Got it wrong again, not surprising. The 'destruction of prosperous societies' that I am aware of those in Rhodesia, South Africa
    & Venezuela were definitely not caused by what you call 'white supremacy' those prosperous societies were actually created by
    white statesmen and were destroyed by an ill equipped non-white majority who now after that damage would take back their votes
    if they could in these states where democracy failed.
    It was the fanatical defense of apartheid by the Rhodesian thugs which allowed Mugabe to rise to power in the first place. The Rhodesian economy could not handle the strain of a forever war, which was directly caused by the idiotic policies of the Rhodesian “state”. The anti apartheid fighters only grew in strength as time went on and the Rhodesian “state” proved unable to crush them.

    White supremacist thugs ran both Rhodesia and South Africa completely into the ground. It only goes to show the greatness of Nelson Mandela that he was able to keep things together after decades of brutal oppression.

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    Re: Who was a better leader Ian Smith or Robert Mugabe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerace117 View Post
    It was the fanatical defense of apartheid by the Rhodesian thugs which allowed Mugabe to rise to power in the first place. The Rhodesian economy could not handle the strain of a forever war, which was directly caused by the idiotic policies of the Rhodesian “state”. The anti apartheid fighters only grew in strength as time went on and the Rhodesian “state” proved unable to crush them.

    White supremacist thugs ran both Rhodesia and South Africa completely into the ground. It only goes to show the greatness of Nelson Mandela that he was able to keep things together after decades of brutal oppression.
    When you receive your monthly ANC progress report do they include dates when Julius Malema rallies the faithful touring the country
    calling for nationalization of private businesses & singing his theme song 'Kill the Boer"

    Your posts reveal that Julius Malema is your type of guy, your idea of a genuine leader.
    Julius Malema called on his followers to go after the white man and cut the throat of whiteness.

    A while back Julius Malema accused Jews and right-wingers of training snipers to try to stop the
    government’s land grab from white farmers, he then told white people he won’t kill them… At least not yet!

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    Majority of South Africans now say that it was better under apartheid.

    BusinessTech...
    "A new [2015] poll finds that fewer South Africans believe that life has improved since 1994, than those who believe that
    life was better before the ANC government took over." "less than four in 10 citizens (37%) believe that these conditions are “better”
    than in 1994, while six in 10 (62%) say they have either stayed the same or deteriorated.”

    Try to understand how anti-democrats dispossess democrats in diverse societies when democracy empowers an
    ethnic majority over a more capable ethnic minority. In diverse societies democracy becomes a toxic cocktail!
    As a 19th century Frenchman first explained 'When I am the weaker I ask you for my freedom because that is
    your principle; but when I am the stronger I take away your freedom because that is my principle.'

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    give it up! I’ve literally done nothing but thrash your deceptive trash whenever we've clashed horns?

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    Re: Who was a better leader Ian Smith or Robert Mugabe?

    Quote Originally Posted by slick View Post
    When you receive your monthly ANC progress report do they include dates when Julius Malema rallies the faithful touring the country
    calling for nationalization of private businesses & singing his theme song 'Kill the Boer



    BusinessTech...


    Try to understand how anti-democrats dispossess democrats in diverse societies when democracy empowers an
    ethnic majority over a you for

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    give it up! I’ve literally done nothing but thrash your deceptive trash whenever we've clashed horns?
    You’ve certainly demonstrated how laughably delusional you are, on multiple levels.

    Apartheid - Wikipedia

    Julius Malema is downright mild compared to the thugs who ran South Africa for decades. Considering that interracial marriage was banned, millions of non white South Africans were forced from their homes into “Bantustans” in order to try and limit their rights even more.....it goes on and on.

    “The first grand apartheid law was the Population Registration Act of 1950, which formalised racial classification and introduced an identity card for all persons over the age of 18, specifying their racial group.[48] Official teams or boards were established to come to a conclusion on those people whose race was unclear.[49] This caused difficulty, especially for Coloured people, separating their families when members were allocated different races.[50]

    The second pillar of grand apartheid was the Group Areas Act of 1950.[51] Until then, most settlements had people of different races living side by side. This Act put an end to diverse areas and determined where one lived according to race. Each race was allotted its own area, which was used in later years as a basis of forced removal.[52] The Prevention of Illegal Squatting Act of 1951 allowed the government to demolish black shanty town slums and forced white employers to pay for the construction of housing for those black workers who were permitted to reside in cities otherwise reserved for whites.[53]

    The Prohibition of Mixed Marriages Act of 1949 prohibited marriage between persons of different races, and the Immorality Act of 1950 made sexual relations with a person of a different race a criminal offence.

    Under the Reservation of Separate Amenities Act of 1953, municipal grounds could be reserved for a particular race, creating, among other things, separate beaches, buses, hospitals, schools and universities. Signboards such as "whites only" applied to public areas, even including park benches.[54] Black South Africans were provided with services greatly inferior to those of whites, and, to a lesser extent, to those of Indian and Coloured people.[55]”

    “The 1956 law allowed Coloureds to elect four people to Parliament, but a 1969 law abolished those seats and stripped Coloureds of their right to vote. Since Asians had never been allowed to vote, this resulted in whites being the sole enfranchised group.”

    “Blacks were not allowed to run businesses or professional practices in areas designated as "white South Africa" unless they had a permit - such being granted only exceptionally. They were required to move to the black "homelands" and set up businesses and practices there. Transport and civil facilities were segregated. Trains, hospitals and ambulances were segregated.[88] Because of the smaller numbers of white patients and the fact that white doctors preferred to work in white hospitals, conditions in white hospitals were much better than those in often overcrowded and understaffed, significantly underfunded black hospitals.[89] Residential areas were segregated and blacks were only allowed to live in white areas if employed as a servant and even then only in servants quarters. Blacks were excluded from working in white areas, unless they had a pass, nicknamed the dompas, also spelt dompass or dom pass. The most likely origin of this name is from the Afrikaans "verdomde pas" (meaning accursed pass),[90] although some commentators ascribe it to the Afrikaans words meaning "dumb pass". Only blacks with "Section 10" rights (those who had migrated to the cities before World War II) were excluded from this provision. A pass was issued only to a black with approved work. Spouses and children had to be left behind in black homelands. A pass was issued for one magisterial district (usually one town) confining the holder to that area only. Being without a valid pass made a person subject to arrest and trial for being an illegal migrant. This was often followed by deportation to the person's homeland and prosecution of the employer for employing an illegal migrant. Police vans patrolled white areas to round up blacks without passes. Blacks were not allowed to employ whites in white South Africa.[91]”

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