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Is the new Joker movie dangerous?

Is the new Joker movie dangerous

  • Yes

    Votes: 6 15.4%

  • No

    Votes: 33 84.6%
  • Total voters
    39
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(I don't know if the poll is up or not, and I apologize if it isn't, but just respond yes or no if it didn't come up)

There's been a lot of controversy lately regarding the new Joker movie coming out. Before I get the 'yes or no' answers, let me run down the background of this movie:

-This is an origin movie of Batman's top villain, the Joker, and how it shows the man's descent into madness

-2 trailers are up to watch, along with some TV spots, receiving overwhelming positive responses from people who have watched the trailers

-The movie won the Venice Film Festival's top award (it had an 8 min standing ovation after it's showing) and rumors have been swirling that it's Oscar worthy (both the movie and Joaquin Phoenix as the Joker)

-It's expected to have a $90 million opening weekend (October 4th)

-It has received mostly positive reviews by critics, but the ones that have reviewed it negatively are saying the movie could inspire single white males to cause great acts of violence

-Joaquin Phoenix walked out during an interview after being asked if the movie inspires violence (but he did go back)

-Aurora victims (supposedly it's them, we don't know) wrote a complaint to Warner Bros. about the movie being dangerous

I encourage anyone to read up on this movie. If you ask me what I think of this movie, my answer is this will possibly the best movie this year and, no, it isn't dangerous. But either way, what do you think?
 
Herkamer63 said:
(I don't know if the poll is up or not, and I apologize if it isn't, but just respond yes or no if it didn't come up)

There's been a lot of controversy lately regarding the new Joker movie coming out. Before I get the 'yes or no' answers, let me run down the background of this movie:

-This is an origin movie of Batman's top villain, the Joker, and how it shows the man's descent into madness

-2 trailers are up to watch, along with some TV spots, receiving overwhelming positive responses from people who have watched the trailers

-The movie won the Venice Film Festival's top award (it had an 8 min standing ovation after it's showing) and rumors have been swirling that it's Oscar worthy (both the movie and Joaquin Phoenix as the Joker)

-It's expected to have a $90 million opening weekend (October 4th)

-It has received mostly positive reviews by critics, but the ones that have reviewed it negatively are saying the movie could inspire single white males to cause great acts of violence

-Joaquin Phoenix walked out during an interview after being asked if the movie inspires violence (but he did go back)

-Aurora victims (supposedly it's them, we don't know) wrote a complaint to Warner Bros. about the movie being dangerous

I encourage anyone to read up on this movie. If you ask me what I think of this movie, my answer is this will possibly the best movie this year and, no, it isn't dangerous. But either way, what do you think?
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A sack of vhs tapes of this movie could be dangerous.
 
Herkamer63 said:
I encourage anyone to read up on this movie. If you ask me what I think of this movie, my answer is this will possibly the best movie this year and, no, it isn't dangerous. But either way, what do you think?
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Without actually seeing the movie there's no real way to know, but I think it's fair to assume that no it's not dangerous. As a life long Batman fan myself I can say I'm not a huge fan of humanizing the Joker in anyway that would make him seem like some kind of sympathetic character.

My hunch and my hope is that this film highlights the way the public and the media enables and promotes this type of evil and that it will shine a light on us as a society rather than on the Trolls themselves.
 
Maybe it delves into some dark psychology, perhaps it cuts a bit close to home for a lot of people, but ultimately this is a morality play.

We know the Joker to be a villain. We can sympathize with his legitimate struggle without justifying his later violence.
 
The kind of people who are inspired to violent acts by watching a film can also be inspired to violence because they lose their job, someone cuts them up on the road or their wardrobe gives them a funny look.

The only relevance to the Aurora shooting appears to be that it happened to be a Batman film that was showing at the time (and not even the same franchise I think), which feels like a spurious link to this film and doesn’t strike me a valid reason why it should face condemnation over and above anything else.
 
Schindlers List inspired me to kill Jews.
 
There's no such thing as a dangerous movie.
 
KevinKohler said:
Schindlers List inspired me to kill Jews.
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Friday the 13 inspired me to wear a goalie mask and kill teenagers at summer camps. But I do not know where summer camps are, so did not kill any. Nor did I buy a goalie mask
 
What an absurd question. How can an inanimate object be inherently dangerous? Granted, there are moving pictures encoded on the disc, but the disc itself cannot hurt you unless it is used by someone physically to hurt you like throwing it as a ****ing Predator Smart Disc or something, in which case that person is dangerous and you should probably not be associating with them to begin with...
 
Abbazorkzog said:
What an absurd question. How can an inanimate object be inherently dangerous? Granted, there are moving pictures encoded on the disc, but the disc itself cannot hurt you unless it is used by someone physically to hurt you like throwing it as a ****ing Predator Smart Disc or something, in which case that person is dangerous and you should probably not be associating with them to begin with...
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What an ridiculous response.
 
Let me give my take on it:

As I said in the first post on here, this movie isn't dangerous. I haven't heard of a movie actually being dangerous to society. This movie looks and sounds very provocative, and based on what I've seen so far, I'm extremely excited to see this. I've been a Batman fan for a LONG time, especially the movies. The Dark Knight Trilogy is, IMO, THE best comic book movie series ever made because it's based more on reality. When I saw that they were making a movie on the Joker and Joaquin Phoenix as the Clown Prince Of Crime, I was sold. Phoenix, although an odd person, is one of the best actors out there. He's perfect for this role, and when I heard his laugh in these trailers, I knew we were getting something special. It's a call back to the Dark Knight, except they're taking this character to a whole new level, and I love it.

IGN, I think, said it best on what this movie is actually all about: it's a story about a man who had a lack of love from his family, suffered childhood trauma, and there's a society that has a lack of compassion for these people who had problems growing up and developed mental issues. That's how mass murderers are created. It's tragic because many of these people were decent human beings. I work with people with special needs and there's so much that these guys go through. Their parents might be nice enough people, but many of them are not raising their kids nor have any contact with them.

There was a client that I use to work with, non-verbal, made a lot of noise, and practically his entire family of 10 don't even try to reach out to him until Christmas time. They don't even go over and visit him at his apartment. He's understands much more than he let's on and does, occasionally, tries to get under your skin. Every now and then, especially around Christmas, he'll have these violent episodes and start hitting, headbutting, and even try biting someone. His parents never taught him restraint whenever he didn't get what he wanted, and usually, because he doesn't talk, we don't know what it is. When he's around his family, however, he's very happy and loving. He just doesn't understand that they really don't want anything to do with him, unless if it's some big time special occasion or a photo op. It's a sad situation and many of his quirks are a result of his family hardly doing anything with him, except kicking him out of their home as soon as he was 18 years old. Other than that, his siblings nor his parents don't know what he does 99% of the time.

This movie looks like it's going to touch on similar themes, and I think that's where the outrage is: many of these "loving" people claiming they care but they really don't. If they cared, they would help these people. Instead, they use their status, whether it be professionally or socially, as a means to enhance their personal appearance. What ends up happening, though, is when they're face to face with these mentally challenged individuals, they mock and make fun of them. In cases if they're all kids, they bully and beat up on them. Then when you have a divided family that doesn't do much to help, things begin to escalate. Finally, and tragically, these people perform terrible acts of violence because they were pushed to a point to where they think and feel like the whole world is against them. Where, yes, we condemn, and should condemn, these acts of violence, and rightfully so, but there's a feeling of sympathy for these peoples' pasts because they had a terrible and hard life that they felt alone. That's what I'm getting from this movie, and it'll be a hard watch, but at the same time, I think that's what is going to make this movie great. Anyway, that's my take on this movie.
 
I think the mass shooters relate more to Batman than the joker.

Would like to see a scientific survey.
 
Has this country turned into a bunch of crying ******s?
 
No. If somebody truly wants to participate in berserk behavior, either watch "The View" or listen to the Orange Man babble about nothing for 30 minutes.
 
ChezC3 said:
Has this country turned into a bunch of crying ******s?
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This has been a thing for at least 40 years.

People wanted Bugs Bunny banned because they thought people would imitate the scenes. Video games have been restricted and edited since the 90s at least to reduce violence. Book banning to limit "immoral ideas"

Heck we have groups that want to prohibit Harry Potter because of witchcraft. People wanted by ban Icet's Bodycount Rap/Heavy Metal Album because of its dangerous lyrics

The crying is nothing new
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Friday the 13 inspired me to wear a goalie mask and kill teenagers at summer camps. But I do not know where summer camps are, so did not kill any. Nor did I buy a goalie mask
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I suggest you find an old abandoned house and let some sorority girls know it is good place to hide, then sharpen an old ax and have fun.
 
Herkamer63 said:
(I don't know if the poll is up or not, and I apologize if it isn't, but just respond yes or no if it didn't come up)

There's been a lot of controversy lately regarding the new Joker movie coming out. Before I get the 'yes or no' answers, let me run down the background of this movie:

-This is an origin movie of Batman's top villain, the Joker, and how it shows the man's descent into madness

-2 trailers are up to watch, along with some TV spots, receiving overwhelming positive responses from people who have watched the trailers

-The movie won the Venice Film Festival's top award (it had an 8 min standing ovation after it's showing) and rumors have been swirling that it's Oscar worthy (both the movie and Joaquin Phoenix as the Joker)

-It's expected to have a $90 million opening weekend (October 4th)

-It has received mostly positive reviews by critics, but the ones that have reviewed it negatively are saying the movie could inspire single white males to cause great acts of violence

-Joaquin Phoenix walked out during an interview after being asked if the movie inspires violence (but he did go back)

-Aurora victims (supposedly it's them, we don't know) wrote a complaint to Warner Bros. about the movie being dangerous

I encourage anyone to read up on this movie. If you ask me what I think of this movie, my answer is this will possibly the best movie this year and, no, it isn't dangerous. But either way, what do you think?
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No it's a movie.
 
OldFatGuy said:
I suggest you find an old abandoned house and let some sorority girls know it is good place to hide, then sharpen an old ax and have fun.
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No axe, just lots of viagra for even better fun
 
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