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Which of these gun control measures could you support?

Do you support any of these gun control measures?

  • Proposal A

    Votes: 19 82.6%

  • Proposal B

    Votes: 13 56.5%

  • Proposal C

    Votes: 13 56.5%

  • Proposal D

    Votes: 6 26.1%

  • Proposal E

    Votes: 4 17.4%
  • Total voters
    23
BrotherFease said:
....and every year your car needs inspection.
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I've been driving for 25 years and my car has never been inspected. Not even once. What in THE hell are you talking about?
 
Wayne Jr said:
OP hasn't commented in his own thread. He realizes how stupid his 'proposals' were.
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I did. I marked #1 and #5. None of these proposals are "stupid". They are being kicked around. Having security guards carry around bean bag guns and requiring licensing to use a deadly weapon are not unreasonable.
 
Wayne Jr said:
I've been driving for 25 years and my car has never been inspected. Not even once. What in THE hell are you talking about?
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NY state requires all cars get inspected on a yearly basis, to see if they are safe to drive on the road.
 
BrotherFease said:
NY state requires all cars get inspected on a yearly basis, to see if they are safe to drive on the road.
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That's just NY. That is, by far, not the norm across the US. In fact, that's downright abnormal.
 
BrotherFease said:
I did. I marked #1 and #5. None of these proposals are "stupid". They are being kicked around. Having security guards carry around bean bag guns and requiring licensing to use a deadly weapon are not unreasonable.
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Having security guards carry beanbag rounds is stupid. That's exactly a stupid idea. Beanbags can kill. Beanbags are fired from firearms, which can only be discharged if your life is in danger, and if your life is in danger then you need a lot more than bean bags. Sandy Hook would not have been prevented by beanbag rounds because Adam Landsa had real ammunition. Letting the criminal out-gun you is not a winning strategy.

As for licensing...we do that here in Ohio, and it's a joke. The license is a joke. Anything less than a 40hr shoot/no-shoot range under stress is just money grab, and not even NYC requires that.
 
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Wayne Jr said:
Having security guards carry beanbag rounds is stupid. That's exactly a stupid idea. Beanbags can kill. Beanbags are fired from firearms, which can only be discharged if your life is in danger, and if your life is in danger then you need a lot more than bean bags. Sandy Hook would not have been prevented by beanbag rounds because Adam Landsa had real ammunition. Letting the criminal out-gun you is not a winning strategy.

As for licensing...we do that here in Ohio, and it's a joke. The license is a joke. Anything less than a 40hr shoot/no-shoot range under stress is just money grab, and not even NYC requires that.
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You want security guards to carry around Ak-47s then? I think it's perfectly reasonable to suggest security should be carrying around weapons which would produce less damage than regular guns.

I fully support licensing, within limits. People need to know to properly use a weapon. Accidental gun deaths are a problem, not just crazy people with guns.

The problem here is every gun proposal is labeled "stupid" by those who want to do nothing. Do nothing is the real stupid strategy.
 
BrotherFease said:
NY state requires all cars get inspected on a yearly basis, to see if they are safe to drive on the road.
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My Ohio drivers license is valid in NY...so if we treat guns like cars...my Ohio carry permit would be valid in NY as well....even though the training requirements are different.
 
BrotherFease said:
You want security guards to carry around Ak-47s then?
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I don't want security guards. Post a Resource Officer from the local police department, and let faculty and parents carry if they want, and that's it.

BrotherFease said:
Do nothing is the really stupid strategy.
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we agree on that. 'Do nothing' is a stupid strategy. This is a mental health problem, not a gun problem, so we need to be addressing mental health, not guns.
 
TurtleDude said:
1) Unconstitutional-turns a guaranteed right into a privilege-worthless in preventing violent crime

2) If you want to make the voting age, draft age, age to be treated like an adult in the criminal courts, and to contract-then maybe. However, if you can join the army at 18, answer for adult felonies at 18, sign contracts at 18, then its a hypocritical and stupid

3) confuses guns with magazines and is stupid, unconstitutional and worthless as crime control

4) See my response to the first proposal. Violates the second amendment

5) wouldn't hurt to have bean bag guns-unless an active shooter has a shotgun or rifle-then bean bag guns are worthless
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You’re the second gun guy that i have seen declare limits on ammunition or clips, “unconstitutional”

This struck me odd, as there is not one word about either in the Second Amendment.

And if it were unconstitutional, the NRA would have fronted a suit against Trump for his Exectutive Order on bump stocks and trigger cranks.
 
BrotherFease said:
I am not saying I support any of these, but I want to know what you guys think of these proposals.

Proposal A - Treat guns like cars. You want to own a weapon, you need a license first and foremost. You then need to get your gun/s registered and renewed on a yearly basis.

Proposal B - Treat gun ownership like the drinking age or the ability to rent a car. Make the age to own a gun 21 years old or 25 years old. If an 18 year old, wants to go shooting, he or she needs to bring a parent or guardian or somebody of legal age.

Proposal C - Put a limit on the number of bullets a gun can fire. Gun manufacturers cannot sell guns in the U.S, if they surpass the legal amount.

Proposal D - Require all gun owners to take a psychological test every year. If you fail, you lose your guns.

Proposal E - Require all school security guards to carry around bean bag guns.
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Now of the Above.
 
BrotherFease said:
I am not saying I support any of these, but I want to know what you guys think of these proposals.

Proposal A - Treat guns like cars. You want to own a weapon, you need a license first and foremost. You then need to get your gun/s registered and renewed on a yearly basis.

Proposal B - Treat gun ownership like the drinking age or the ability to rent a car. Make the age to own a gun 21 years old or 25 years old. If an 18 year old, wants to go shooting, he or she needs to bring a parent or guardian or somebody of legal age.

Proposal C - Put a limit on the number of bullets a gun can fire. Gun manufacturers cannot sell guns in the U.S, if they surpass the legal amount.

Proposal D - Require all gun owners to take a psychological test every year. If you fail, you lose your guns.

Proposal E - Require all school security guards to carry around bean bag guns.
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A. How would this prevent unlawful gun deaths, and crime in general?

B. How would this prevent unlawful gun deaths, and crime in general?

C. What's the limit, and who decides that limit? What about caliber? Firing rate? How many magazines can one legally own?

D. Test run by who? Who designs the test? Who pays for it? 100 million+ gun owners seeing a shrink annually, at $175+ per hour.

E. WTF? "Guns are dangerous, and we are worried about school shootings, here's your bean bag shooter, good luck."?!?
 
BrotherFease said:
I am not saying I support any of these, but I want to know what you guys think of these proposals.

Proposal A - Treat guns like cars. You want to own a weapon, you need a license first and foremost. You then need to get your gun/s registered and renewed on a yearly basis.

Proposal B - Treat gun ownership like the drinking age or the ability to rent a car. Make the age to own a gun 21 years old or 25 years old. If an 18 year old, wants to go shooting, he or she needs to bring a parent or guardian or somebody of legal age.

Proposal C - Put a limit on the number of bullets a gun can fire. Gun manufacturers cannot sell guns in the U.S, if they surpass the legal amount.

Proposal D - Require all gun owners to take a psychological test every year. If you fail, you lose your guns.

Proposal E - Require all school security guards to carry around bean bag guns.
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None of the above. The right to keep and bear arms is a constitutional right not a state granted privilege .

Also proposal A isn't exactly like treating guns like cars. Because you only need the license and registration in order to drive the car on public roads. You don't need those things to buy the car. So if we were to actually treat guns like cars then the only people who would get registration and licenses would be those using firearms on public property while anyone buying a gun wouldn't get those things.

At 18 you an adult and old enough to vote and serve your country .Therefore you should be old enough to do all those other things that other adults can do.
 
Wayne Jr said:
we agree on that. 'Do nothing' is a stupid strategy. This is a mental health problem, not a gun problem, so we need to be addressing mental health, not guns.
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Yes, the focus should be mostly on mental health rather than gun banning. I know I am new to this board, but I have been saying this for years: Not a fan of gun bans. They limit ones ability to defend themselves. I do support strengthening our background check system and requiring people to actually know how to properly use a gun. The stronger the gun, more regulations should be applied. That's just my feeling on the issue.

Now back to your point: How should address mental illness? We have been hearing the NRA's loudest members saying this for years, but no actual proposal has been made. Now is your chance to show something.
 
TomFitz said:
You’re the second gun guy that i have seen declare limits on ammunition or clips, “unconstitutional”

This struck me odd, as there is not one word about either in the Second Amendment.

And if it were unconstitutional, the NRA would have fronted a suit against Trump for his Exectutive Order on bump stocks and trigger cranks.
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There really is no defense on that one. The 2nd amendment is about allowing people to form militias and own weapons. No where does it say there's an infinite amount of ammo one can carry or that we can own any type of weapon. That's just silly nonsense. No court will ever agree to such extremism. Saying it violates the 2nd amendment is rather lazy argumentation and no-nothing mentality.
 
jamesrage said:
None of the above. The right to keep and bear arms is a constitutional right not a state granted privilege .

Also proposal A isn't exactly like treating guns like cars. Because you only need the license and registration in order to drive the car on public roads. You don't need those things to buy the car. So if we were to actually treat guns like cars then the only people who would get registration and licenses would be those using firearms on public property while anyone buying a gun wouldn't get those things.
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You seem to be missing the point. In order to operate a car AND use it on roads, you need a license. Applying it to gun standards, then you would need to get a license in order to operate your gun. There's no point in having a car or a gun, if you cannot use it. Asking people to be a responsible gun owner and understanding the dynamics of owning a gun, is not a hard task.

Gun ownership is not an absolute right. We don't allow mentally unstable people to own guns. We don't allow convicted felons to own guns, under certain circumstances.
 
BrotherFease said:
You seem to be missing the point. In order to operate a car AND use it on roads, you need a license. Applying it to gun standards, then you would need to get a license in order to operate your gun. There's no point in having a car or a gun, if you cannot use it. Asking people to be a responsible gun owner and understanding the dynamics of owning a gun, is not a hard task.
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You still don't need those things to buy the car.Many people don't use cars on public roads. Many gun owners don't use their guns on public property.


Gun ownership is not an absolute right. We don't allow mentally unstable people to own guns. We don't allow convicted felons to own guns, under certain circumstances.
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That has what to do with your proposals to turn gun ownership into a state granted privilege?
 
BrotherFease said:
Which part of the 2nd amendment? The courts have been clear that we can regulate the gun industry.

Fun fact: the word "gun" appears no where in the 2nd amendment.
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Fun fact the word "arms" covers anything I want keep and bear, including guns or firearms.
 
BrotherFease said:
I am not saying I support any of these, but I want to know what you guys think of these proposals.

Proposal A - Treat guns like cars. You want to own a weapon, you need a license first and foremost. You then need to get your gun/s registered and renewed on a yearly basis.

Proposal B - Treat gun ownership like the drinking age or the ability to rent a car. Make the age to own a gun 21 years old or 25 years old. If an 18 year old, wants to go shooting, he or she needs to bring a parent or guardian or somebody of legal age.

Proposal C - Put a limit on the number of bullets a gun can fire. Gun manufacturers cannot sell guns in the U.S, if they surpass the legal amount.

Proposal D - Require all gun owners to take a psychological test every year. If you fail, you lose your guns.

Proposal E - Require all school security guards to carry around bean bag guns.
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In full disclosure, I oppose any of the above restrictions

-VySky
 
BrotherFease said:
You seem to be missing the point. In order to operate a car AND use it on roads, you need a license. Applying it to gun standards, then you would need to get a license in order to operate your gun. There's no point in having a car or a gun, if you cannot use it. Asking people to be a responsible gun owner and understanding the dynamics of owning a gun, is not a hard task.

Gun ownership is not an absolute right. We don't allow mentally unstable people to own guns. We don't allow convicted felons to own guns, under certain circumstances.
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I find it ironic the idea of a gun license being required to execute your Civil Right. However, no license or ID are required to vote for politicians who make the laws saying you need to have an ID, or license in many other aspects of our daily lives

-VySky
 
VySky said:
I find it ironic the idea of a gun license being required to execute your Civil Right. However, no license or ID are required to vote for politicians who make the laws saying you need to have an ID, or license in many other aspects of our daily lives

-VySky
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By that logic, background checks are unconstitutional. Why do you have to pass a set of barriers in order to execute a constitutional right? Ditto for paying money for purchase a gun or have bullets. Shouldn't that be free?
 
VySky said:
I find it ironic the idea of a gun license being required to execute your Civil Right. However, no license or ID are required to vote for politicians who make the laws saying you need to have an ID, or license in many other aspects of our daily lives

-VySky
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You must register to vote so I guess we can register your gun
 
Wayne Jr said:
What's a 'junk gun', I haven't heard that term before.
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Its a term that racist 2nd amendment opponents have invented for guns that poor black people people can easily afford. So in order to prevent poor black people owning guns they started calling these low cost guns "Saturday night specials and "junk guns" and passed bans on them in anti-2nd amendment states and cities.
 
jamesrage said:
You still don't need those things to buy the car.Many people don't use cars on public roads. Many gun owners don't use their guns on public property.

That has what to do with your proposals to turn gun ownership into a state granted privilege?
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Guns are regulated on both the federal and state level. Asking people if they know how to properly use a gun is not a tall glass.
 
BrotherFease said:
By that logic, background checks are unconstitutional. Why do you have to pass a set of barriers in order to execute a constitutional right? Ditto for paying money for purchase a gun or have bullets. Shouldn't that be free?
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A right is not a mandate. The beauty of America is we have a choice to exercise our civil rights or not. My point is not requiring an ID for something so important as electing 'lawmakers' is ironic. Especially when they make laws requiring ID for other day to day activities.

-VySky
 
BrotherFease said:
I am not saying I support any of these, but I want to know what you guys think of these proposals.

Proposal A - Treat guns like cars. You want to own a weapon, you need a license first and foremost. You then need to get your gun/s registered and renewed on a yearly basis.

Proposal B - Treat gun ownership like the drinking age or the ability to rent a car. Make the age to own a gun 21 years old or 25 years old. If an 18 year old, wants to go shooting, he or she needs to bring a parent or guardian or somebody of legal age.

Proposal C - Put a limit on the number of bullets a gun can fire. Gun manufacturers cannot sell guns in the U.S, if they surpass the legal amount.

Proposal D - Require all gun owners to take a psychological test every year. If you fail, you lose your guns.

Proposal E - Require all school security guards to carry around bean bag guns.
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Proposal F - F*** it and leave it alone.
 
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