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    Re: How Much Is Needed To Fight Climate Change?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    But it is the lefty candidates who are attaching a dollar amount to it.
    Yes, but you could just say "Democrats" instead of catering to your partisan game and defaulting to "lefties." This is hate and it is entirely irrational.

    Notice how liberals don't seem to reduce themselves to using "righties" when referring to Conservatives or Republicans? Is this because they tend to be more educated and mature, or is it just because they refrain from trying to irrationally denigrate through political extremism?

    This, right here, is exactly why I have declared that it is the GOP and the Conservative Right (and Libertarian wannabes) that has long been driving this bus of political extremism. Even your terms are meant to be derogatory and this does go back to Newt Gingrich's playbook. You all even denigrate your own kind by labeling them a "RINO" if they dare not tow the line of the day, as you all celebrate a Conservative anti-thesis in the White House.
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    Re: How Much Is Needed To Fight Climate Change?

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Yes, but you could just say "Democrats" instead of catering to your partisan game and defaulting to "lefties." This is hate and it is entirely irrational.

    Notice how liberals don't seem to reduce themselves to using "righties" when referring to Conservatives or Republicans? Is this because they tend to be more educated and mature, or is it just because they refrain from trying to irrationally denigrate through political extremism?

    This, right here, is exactly why I have declared that it is the GOP and the Conservative Right (and Libertarian wannabes) that has long been driving this bus of political extremism. Even your terms are meant to be derogatory and this does go back to Newt Gingrich's playbook. You all even denigrate your own kind by labeling them a "RINO" if they dare not tow the line of the day, as you all celebrate a Conservative anti-thesis in the White House.
    Oh please. The left call the right all kinds of names like racists and bigots and claim the right are fighting a war against women and everyone else.

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    Re: How Much Is Needed To Fight Climate Change?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    Oh please. The left call the right all kinds of names like racists and bigots and claim the right are fighting a war against women and everyone else.
    Oh, don't pretend to be confused here. You all did the same thing in 2016 when Clinton used "deplorables." Instead of recognizing the neo-Nazi and supremacist scum in your ranks cheering along side you for Trump, you all chose to be lumped in with them in order to project that right-wing groomed mentality of being a victim of "the left."

    - You are Conservatives and Republicans, not "righties" or "fascists," despite your inclinations to default to "leftists, lefties, commies, and socialists" when referring to Democrats and Liberals.

    And when it comes to racism, it is not the Liberals who boast a history of it. Conservatives have merely shifted from generally being among the Democrats to being among the Republicans. But there is a reason that the common historical racial theme within the South and that of the Bible Belt has stayed the same no matter if representation came from the old Democratic Party (Slave Power) or today's Republican Party, which has been found guilty by the Supreme Court of racial gerrymandering. And it is not from within the Liberal's camp that we find the neo-Nazis and the White Supremacists. And weren't they rubbing shoulders with the average Conservative (who once criticized them) at Trump rallies? On that note:

    It is not the Liberals who boast a history of anti-immigration, though today in the temporary you all try to get away with your anger being over only "illegal" immigration.

    It is not the Liberals who have sought ways to deny rights to homosexuals.

    It is not the Liberals who prefer a traditional home where a woman cooks and cleans while the man provides.

    There is a reason traditionalism is among the Conservative traits, and this involves a clinging to the past, no matter how damaging to the present or the future. My advice is to turn off your FOX News spins that wold make you a victim of "the left" and recognize some reality here. You all are partisan aggressive and you are no victims.
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    Re: How Much Is Needed To Fight Climate Change?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    Democratic candidates are all proposing their ideas to fight climate change, with varying amounts of dollars. How much do you think we need to spend to tackle the climate change issue? Poll answers reflect some of the amounts various candidates have been mentioning.
    It depends on whose money you're talking about. If you're talking about government money then I would say we could likely get away with spending none, but it would make more sense for us to make some general investments. What the exact dollar amount is i'm not sure, but I would think over the course of a decade or so a Trillion would be fine. Mostly I would say we should just take a lot of the money we're currently investing in energy development and shift it towards clean energy development.

    What the government really needs to do is just flip the Equilibrium by putting better fuel efficiency requirements on automobiles. That right there would likely solve the lions share of the problem. That alone will trigger more innovation from major industries and get them working and investing their own money on these solutions.
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    Re: How Much Is Needed To Fight Climate Change?

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Oh, don't pretend to be confused here. You all did the same thing in 2016 when Clinton used "deplorables." Instead of recognizing the neo-Nazi and supremacist scum in your ranks cheering along side you for Trump, you all chose to be lumped in with them in order to project that right-wing groomed mentality of being a victim of "the left."

    - You are Conservatives and Republicans, not "righties" or "fascists," despite your inclinations to default to "leftists, lefties, commies, and socialists" when referring to Democrats and Liberals.

    And when it comes to racism, it is not the Liberals who boast a history of it. Conservatives have merely shifted from generally being among the Democrats to being among the Republicans. But there is a reason that the common historical racial theme within the South and that of the Bible Belt has stayed the same no matter if representation came from the old Democratic Party (Slave Power) or today's Republican Party, which has been found guilty by the Supreme Court of racial gerrymandering. And it is not from within the Liberal's camp that we find the neo-Nazis and the White Supremacists. And weren't they rubbing shoulders with the average Conservative (who once criticized them) at Trump rallies? On that note:

    It is not the Liberals who boast a history of anti-immigration, though today in the temporary you all try to get away with your anger being over only "illegal" immigration.

    It is not the Liberals who have sought ways to deny rights to homosexuals.

    It is not the Liberals who prefer a traditional home where a woman cooks and cleans while the man provides.

    There is a reason traditionalism is among the Conservative traits, and this involves a clinging to the past, no matter how damaging to the present or the future. My advice is to turn off your FOX News spins that wold make you a victim of "the left" and recognize some reality here. You all are partisan aggressive and you are no victims.
    Neonazi scum are like less than 1% of the population. Hillary called 33% of the right deplorables just because they supported jobs and an anti-establishment candidate. And the left have been falsely accusing the right of fighting a war against women and everyone else for decades.

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    Re: How Much Is Needed To Fight Climate Change?

    Quote Originally Posted by MrWonka View Post
    It depends on whose money you're talking about. If you're talking about government money then I would say we could likely get away with spending none, but it would make more sense for us to make some general investments. What the exact dollar amount is i'm not sure, but I would think over the course of a decade or so a Trillion would be fine. Mostly I would say we should just take a lot of the money we're currently investing in energy development and shift it towards clean energy development.

    What the government really needs to do is just flip the Equilibrium by putting better fuel efficiency requirements on automobiles. That right there would likely solve the lions share of the problem. That alone will trigger more innovation from major industries and get them working and investing their own money on these solutions.
    You sound like Obama. Every time he wanted to spend money, it was not spending, it was an investment. Spending money is spending money, no matter how falsely you want to term the action.

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    Re: How Much Is Needed To Fight Climate Change?

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    Re: How Much Is Needed To Fight Climate Change?

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    Oh please. The left call the right all kinds of names like racists and bigots and claim the right are fighting a war against women and everyone else.
    As an English major it drives me nuckin' futs that people use terms like this without bothering to look up the definition. Bigotry is intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from yourself. I'm sure Tom Cruise would be an interesting guy to have a cup of coffee with and his belief in Scientology could be tolerated in small doses. You aren't a bigot if you don't like Islam. You are a bigot if your dislike of Muslims leads to behaviors that could be defined as intolerant.

    Racism is the belief in the superiority of one race over another. It may also mean prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against other people because they are of a different race or ethnicity. I do not believe many in this country honestly believe that one race is truly superior than another other than legitimate hate groups. It's not racist for a white woman to cross the street if she sees young black men in hoodies walking toward her at night. That same woman would have no problem walking past several well-dressed black men in suits who look like businessmen or a church group. Likewise, she would surely try to avoid a group of white bikers wearing Hell's Angels colors, but have no problem walking by a group of surfers.

    I had black friends from the Caribbean and Africa in college. I looked like a stoner grunge Nirvana fan by my senior year and my black friends were always impeccably dressed with ties 100% of the time. Their manners were also impeccable and each had an incredible work ethic and top grades. All of them had quality jobs lined up before graduation. Their skin may have been black, but everything else screamed, "expensive private British education." Conversely, a black friend of mine from Philly flunked out. He was more interested in hooking up with coeds than showing up for class. He sat next to me in a music class. I even warned him, "Dude, you are going to be out of here ..." His reply was that there was too much fine p***y on campus. Almost sounds like a movie stereotype, right? Except now, when every white male on Netflix is the bad guy. Start watching a movie on Netflix, if a white guy is in a position of power, he's either going to be a jerk, a traitor, or just outright bad from the start. Most racism is perpetrated by the media and entertainment -- usually toward white men.

    My girlfriend is a feminist's kryptonite. Her dad immigrated from the Ukraine and raised her with traditional gender roles she is quite happy with. She is a figure skating coach who also works as a receptionist for a luxury car dealership. She was offered a job on the sales team selling $85 - $150K cars. She turned it down. She doesn't want to work sales hours or learn about cars. She just wants to dress nicely, do her job, and have time to skate.

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Yes, but you could just say "Democrats" instead of catering to your partisan game and defaulting to "lefties." This is hate and it is entirely irrational.
    I think conservatives are labeling "lefties" as far left socialists and "liberals" as Democrats closer to traditional party lines?
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    Re: How Much Is Needed To Fight Climate Change?

    I think our best bet to tackle climate change is to just split the country. The left gets to have the Union states and the west coast and the right gets the Confederate states and Indian Territory. Hawaii, Guam, USVI, PR goes to the left. Alaska goes to the right. Greenland can stay where it is. Then, the socialists and conservatives only have to deal with each other as foreign governments. Half the current nation can keep cows and Mopar cars. The other half can eat soy and drive electric.
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    Re: How Much Is Needed To Fight Climate Change?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hondo View Post
    As an English major it drives me nuckin' futs that people use terms like this without bothering to look up the definition. Bigotry is intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from yourself. I'm sure Tom Cruise would be an interesting guy to have a cup of coffee with and his belief in Scientology could be tolerated in small doses. You aren't a bigot if you don't like Islam. You are a bigot if your dislike of Muslims leads to behaviors that could be defined as intolerant.

    Racism is the belief in the superiority of one race over another. It may also mean prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against other people because they are of a different race or ethnicity. I do not believe many in this country honestly believe that one race is truly superior than another other than legitimate hate groups. It's not racist for a white woman to cross the street if she sees young black men in hoodies walking toward her at night. That same woman would have no problem walking past several well-dressed black men in suits who look like businessmen or a church group. Likewise, she would surely try to avoid a group of white bikers wearing Hell's Angels colors, but have no problem walking by a group of surfers.

    I had black friends from the Caribbean and Africa in college. I looked like a stoner grunge Nirvana fan by my senior year and my black friends were always impeccably dressed with ties 100% of the time. Their manners were also impeccable and each had an incredible work ethic and top grades. All of them had quality jobs lined up before graduation. Their skin may have been black, but everything else screamed, "expensive private British education." Conversely, a black friend of mine from Philly flunked out. He was more interested in hooking up with coeds than showing up for class. He sat next to me in a music class. I even warned him, "Dude, you are going to be out of here ..." His reply was that there was too much fine p***y on campus. Almost sounds like a movie stereotype, right? Except now, when every white male on Netflix is the bad guy. Start watching a movie on Netflix, if a white guy is in a position of power, he's either going to be a jerk, a traitor, or just outright bad from the start. Most racism is perpetrated by the media and entertainment -- usually toward white men.

    My girlfriend is a feminist's kryptonite. Her dad immigrated from the Ukraine and raised her with traditional gender roles she is quite happy with. She is a figure skating coach who also works as a receptionist for a luxury car dealership. She was offered a job on the sales team selling $85 - $150K cars. She turned it down. She doesn't want to work sales hours or learn about cars. She just wants to dress nicely, do her job, and have time to skate.



    I think conservatives are labeling "lefties" as far left socialists and "liberals" as Democrats closer to traditional party lines?
    I've about had it with most lefties of all kinds. I'm sick and tired of the left calling the right names and claiming that the right fight a war against women, a war against minorities, a war against seniors, a war against the poor, a war against migrants, a war against the climate, and a war against cute little puppydogs. Most of the right doesn't fit any of these categories. The PC and SJW's can all go to hell. When the left quit all of this BS then we can have honest conversations but you can't have an honest conversation about anything with the left calling the right names and accusing them of all this other stuff. Both sides basically want the country to do well, they just have different ideas on how to get there.

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