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Dictatorship or Socialist?

Which way do we end up?

  • Dictatorship

    Votes: 2 15.4%

  • Socialist

    Votes: 2 15.4%

  • Americans realize political extremes are bad and stop support the Trumps and Sanders of the world

    Votes: 9 69.2%
  • Total voters
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Kreton said:
Seems like we are being pulled in 2 directions. Which way do we end up?
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False premise. Trump is not a dictator. Even the most socialist democratic candidates are not very socialist(and the least socialist of the bunch is leading in the polls).
 
Redress said:
False premise. Trump is not a dictator. Even the most socialist democratic candidates are not very socialist(and the least socialist of the bunch is leading in the polls).
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He is trying to be, and the left is going further that direction. I never said we were there, I said that we are being pulled in those two directions.
 
I can't imagine how detached from reality you'd have to be to believe Trump is a dictator.
 
aociswundumho said:
I can't imagine how detached from reality you'd have to be to believe Trump is a dictator.
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He's running around, pretending he can order American Companies out of China and such. Sure as heck thinks he's one.
 
Ikari said:
He's running around, pretending he can order American Companies out of China and such. Sure as heck thinks he's one.
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Obama ran around doing executive orders when the Congress refused to do what he wanted. It's a Constitutional provision of the President. The Supreme Court decides if the executive order is Constitutional. Obama got shot down several times as will Trump and any President. So, stop acting like it's only Trump. All Presidents use executive orders. As far as what is happening with American Companies, he's not ordering them out of China. You show me anywhere where he tried to do so? See, this is what the Left does. They lie about something and then act as if it's true when they say it to themselves enough times. What Trump has done is made it harder for American based companies to stay in China with tarrifs. Same with Mexico and Europe. But, that is a decision the companies make as whether they can financially stay in China or "such."
 
Cougarbear said:
Obama ran around doing executive orders when the Congress refused to do what he wanted. It's a Constitutional provision of the President. The Supreme Court decides if the executive order is Constitutional. Obama got shot down several times as will Trump and any President. So, stop acting like it's only Trump. All Presidents use executive orders. As far as what is happening with American Companies, he's not ordering them out of China. You show me anywhere where he tried to do so? See, this is what the Left does. They lie about something and then act as if it's true when they say it to themselves enough times. What Trump has done is made it harder for American based companies to stay in China with tarrifs. Same with Mexico and Europe. But, that is a decision the companies make as whether they can financially stay in China or "such."
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lol

He tweeted that he is ordering American Companies out of China.

Dumb.
 
Kreton said:
He is trying to be, and the left is going further that direction. I never said we were there, I said that we are being pulled in those two directions.
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Trump is not trying to be a dictator. Dictators don't lower taxes and get rid of thousands of regulations over businesses. They take over the businesses. Now, Sanders is one scary person. He is a blatant socialist with the demeanor of a Dictator. He actually wants to dictate how we live our lives from cradle to grave. Pocahontas is saying the exact same things. One scary drunk.
 
Kreton said:
He is trying to be, and the left is going further that direction. I never said we were there, I said that we are being pulled in those two directions.
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He's not even trying, get a grip!
 
Cougarbear said:
Obama ran around doing executive orders when the Congress refused to do what he wanted. It's a Constitutional provision of the President. The Supreme Court decides if the executive order is Constitutional. Obama got shot down several times as will Trump and any President. So, stop acting like it's only Trump. All Presidents use executive orders. As far as what is happening with American Companies, he's not ordering them out of China. You show me anywhere where he tried to do so? See, this is what the Left does. They lie about something and then act as if it's true when they say it to themselves enough times. What Trump has done is made it harder for American based companies to stay in China with tarrifs. Same with Mexico and Europe. But, that is a decision the companies make as whether they can financially stay in China or "such."
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Ah, the truth does hurt, doesn't it? :lamo

Donald J. Trump
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@realDonaldTrump

....better off without them. The vast amounts of money made and stolen by China from the United States, year after year, for decades, will and must STOP. Our great American companies are hereby ordered to immediately start looking for an alternative to China, including bringing..

7:59 AM - 23 Aug 2019
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Can't wait to read the bull**** pretzel twisting that will follow.
 
What a ridiculous OP premise. It’s TRUE the rat party is desperately attempting to impose socialism. It is NOT true however that we have or will EVER have a dictatorship.


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I am a social democrat, and even I have a great dislike of socialists. There is a socialist party in the Netherlands and I would NEVER vote for them as I do not trust those semi communists.

Look Marxism is a great idea, where everybody has a good life and has whatever they desire most. Which is a nice idea where one neighbor spends his money on a great car and the other spends his money on art or a big swimming pool and sauna. That is what I understood was one of the key things of Marxism, not that everybody has the same, but that everybody is happy with what they have/own.

But that always goes wrong, 100% of the time because of one thing, humans. We are jealous of other people and always desire what the neighbor has or better yet a better car/van/pool/etc. etc. etc. than their neighbors.

Human's aren't made to be Marxist or communists, we are too greedy and untrustworthy.

So I don't like dictators, but I also don't trust or like socialists.
 
Ikari said:
lol

He tweeted that he is ordering American Companies out of China.

Dumb.
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He did not. He said he's telling them to look for alternatives. He can't make them leave. China can make them leave. He also has stopped Fentanyl from coming into our country. A good thing!!! We will see if he can do that too. Please tell the truth and not go emotional on us with improper words to describe what is happening.
 
Kreton said:
He is trying to be, and the left is going further that direction. I never said we were there, I said that we are being pulled in those two directions.
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Trump is doing what both Bush and Obama were forced to do...attempting to govern by executive order because the congress...both parties...is hapless. Your concern is not with an overreaching presidency but with a corrupt and worthless legislative branch.


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Ikari said:
He's running around, pretending he can order American Companies out of China and such. Sure as heck thinks he's one.
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Yeah, Trump supporters, who are staunch supporters of free market economics just love Trump's attempted edicts regarding American companies. :shock:
 
Cougarbear said:
He did not. He said he's telling them to look for alternatives. He can't make them leave. China can make them leave. He also has stopped Fentanyl from coming into our country. A good thing!!! We will see if he can do that too. Please tell the truth and not go emotional on us with improper words to describe what is happening.
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lol

Of course he can't make them leave. I didn't say Trump was a dictator, I said he thinks he's one. He tried to order American companies out of China, but of course has no real power to do so.

lol

Y'all will spin spin spin all day to get away from the crazy things the Chosen One has said.
 
Cougarbear said:
He did not. He said he's telling them to look for alternatives. He can't make them leave. China can make them leave. He also has stopped Fentanyl from coming into our country. A good thing!!! We will see if he can do that too. Please tell the truth and not go emotional on us with improper words to describe what is happening.
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He literally said "are hereby ordered". Ikari said he tweeted that he is ordering it. You are saying he did not.

How exactly are you denying what Trump said and is literally posted on his twitter feed this very moment.
 
Kreton said:
He literally said "are hereby ordered". Ikari said he tweeted that he is ordering it. You are saying he did not.

How exactly are you denying what Trump said and is literally posted on his twitter feed this very moment.
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The Trump Cult will jump through hoops to dismiss the things their Chosen One has stated. It's very clear at this point, that nothing will rattle their lock step with the King of Israel.
 
PK: I am a social democrat, and even I have a great dislike of socialists. There is a socialist party in the Netherlands and I would NEVER vote for them as I do not trust those semi communists.

CB: What is a social democrat? Opposite of an anti-social democrat? Did you mean Democratic Socialist? Because, a Democratic Socialist is what Hitler was. Wanna try again?

PK: Look Marxism is a great idea, where everybody has a good life and has whatever they desire most. Which is a nice idea where one neighbor spends his money on a great car and the other spends his money on art or a big swimming pool and sauna. That is what I understood was one of the key things of Marxism, not that everybody has the same, but that everybody is happy with what they have/own.

CB: This is not Marxism. It has nothing to do with what you or I desire to have. Marxism is simple, the Government forces you to spread your wealth around so everyone has the same things. Same amount of assets, money and toys. Except, you don't own anything. Cradle to grave dictatorship for everyone. Where did you learn your economics? Harvard? Berkley?

PK: But that always goes wrong, 100% of the time because of one thing, humans. We are jealous of other people and always desire what the neighbor has or better yet a better car/van/pool/etc. etc. etc. than their neighbors. Human's aren't made to be Marxist or communists, we are too greedy and untrustworthy.

CB: Yes, humans are jealous of others. They covet. They steal. But, they are the natural man and they are carnal and devilish by nature. We are to put off the natural man and follow God. See, Marxists and Communists also are atheists. They won't let you or anyone follow their hearts and believe in God or practice their religions with the dictates of their own conscience. And, if they allow a church to be a state church, the run that church. No freedom of Religion as in a capitalist Constitutional Republic like the United States of America.

PK: So I don't like dictators, but I also don't trust or like socialists.

CB: Back to don't liking yourself. Must be difficult.
 
Kreton said:
He literally said "are hereby ordered". Ikari said he tweeted that he is ordering it. You are saying he did not.

How exactly are you denying what Trump said and is literally posted on his twitter feed this very moment.
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DUH!!! He ordered them to LOOK for ALTERNATIVES. That's not ordering them out of China. Hello!!!
 
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