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Thread: American Health Care

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    Re: American Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    If the US went with universal care with single payer (at least at the state level) the biggest savings would come from

    Administration - The massive jungle of paperwork trying to figure out how much is owed which insurance company or HMO or individuals is to be charged, how to collect the money, and what to do with those that can not pay add to a significant amount of money being spent on admin billing rather than actual health care.

    The improved health care for under insured people will allow for a focus on preventative care rather than emergency care. A prime example would be diabetes care and management. With medical supervision it is easily controllable, without it, serious complications can result
    Are you familiar with the periodic nightmare that was the VA Hospital system? Fully "single payer," for qualified vets, minor co-pay for others.

    If you think "administration" shrinks under such a system, I'd say think again. Government creates "paper" and "paper-pushers" to administer it.

    While it might be true the system would not have to deal with private insurers, I'd say replacement with all those various levels of government review/oversight/approval created by regulations will equal or exceed those problems. Especially when dealing on a national level with a larger patient care base.
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    Re: American Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Are you familiar with the periodic nightmare that was the VA Hospital system? Fully "single payer," for qualified vets, minor co-pay for others.

    If you think "administration" shrinks under such a system, I'd say think again. Government creates "paper" and "paper-pushers" to administer it.

    While it might be true the system would not have to deal with private insurers, I'd say replacement with all those various levels of government review/oversight/approval created by regulations will equal or exceed those problems. Especially when dealing on a national level with a larger patient care base.
    Medicare has lower administrative costs than most private insurers in the United States.

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    Re: American Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by ataraxia View Post
    Medicare has lower administrative costs than most private insurers in the United States.
    My understanding is that around 17% or so of Americans are covered by Medicare.

    Medicare - Statistics & Facts | Statista

    Turn that into 100% and you think the administrative paperwork won't increase as well?
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    Re: American Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Are you familiar with the periodic nightmare that was the VA Hospital system? Fully "single payer," for qualified vets, minor co-pay for others.

    If you think "administration" shrinks under such a system, I'd say think again. Government creates "paper" and "paper-pushers" to administer it.

    While it might be true the system would not have to deal with private insurers, I'd say replacement with all those various levels of government review/oversight/approval created by regulations will equal or exceed those problems. Especially when dealing on a national level with a larger patient care base.
    It would have to be set up by skilled people. The Can system generally has less red tape and much less paper. It is administered on the provincial level rather than federal. More direct accountability that way.
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    Re: American Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    My understanding is that around 17% or so of Americans are covered by Medicare.

    Medicare - Statistics & Facts | Statista

    Turn that into 100% and you think the administrative paperwork won't increase as well?
    I expect the increase would be proportional to the increase in patients
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    Re: American Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    I'm reluctant to fall for the "it can't get any worse, so let the government take over 18% of GDP" plan - especially before seeing any specifics of the bill to do so.

    H.R.676 - 115th Congress (2017-2018): Expanded & Improved Medicare For All Act | Congress.gov | Library of Congress
    750,000+ Americans go bankrupt due to medical bills each year. Something has to change. Families are being destroyed because people get sick. That isn't how we should treating members of our society when we have the means to fix it. Medical care for free is better than medical care destroying families.

    In my opinion waiting until the perfect plan emerges is the wrong path. If anything I'd rather see free healthcare while we wait for the right answer than it to continue down the path it is on. We should be putting Americans first.
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    Re: American Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    750,000+ Americans go bankrupt due to medical bills each year. Something has to change. Families are being destroyed because people get sick. That isn't how we should treating members of our society when we have the means to fix it. Medical care for free is better than medical care destroying families.

    In my opinion waiting until the perfect plan emerges is the wrong path. If anything I'd rather see free healthcare while we wait for the right answer than it to continue down the path it is on. We should be putting Americans first.
    Any state/city government is free to do that - simply increase taxation on those with "too much" and use that (endless?) flow of public funds to pay top notch medical care providers in that state/city who are no longer permitted to charge patients for care costs. Why do you suppose that is not being done in your state/city?
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    Re: American Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Any state/city government is free to do that - simply increase taxation on those with "too much" and use that (endless?) flow of public funds to pay top notch medical care providers in that state/city who are no longer permitted to charge patients for care costs. Why do you suppose that is not being done in your state/city?
    Why do you suppose that is not being done in your state/city?

    One of many reasons. All related to profits.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/static....-industry.html

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    Re: American Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by rickc View Post
    Why do you suppose that is not being done in your state/city?

    One of many reasons. All related to profits.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/static....-industry.html
    That is simply BS - many goods/services currently paid for with public funds are supplied by for-profit companies. Rest assured that road construction, grounds maintenance and trash/recyclable collection providers are earning some handsome profits from work being paid for by public entities.
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    Re: American Health Care

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Any state/city government is free to do that - simply increase taxation on those with "too much" and use that (endless?) flow of public funds to pay top notch medical care providers in that state/city who are no longer permitted to charge patients for care costs. Why do you suppose that is not being done in your state/city?
    It won't be done on a state level and I don't care if they raise taxes. Or divert money from other programs. People are more important than money.
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