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    Re: Is Biden Running Out of Gas?

    Quote Originally Posted by Surrealistik View Post
    I'm not sure how much of a factor this instability idea is. One must keep in mind that electability seems to be the leading consideration for the elderly, and Bernie is in fact the runner up choice for most Biden supporters.

    I agree that Pelosi will be an obstacle.

    To be clear I have no expectation that MFA will pass in its present form (and I expect Bernie doesn't either), but I do think that whatever it mutates into per the legislative process will be vastly better than what we have. As I mentioned elsewhere, it's the difference between asking for a full loaf and half a loaf as Obama did; in negotiating you always aim high and go from there.
    The difference is that Obama was pragmatic and Bernie has no clue about getting things done. What's so bad about adding a public option?
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    Re: Is Biden Running Out of Gas?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    Gee. Don't we all get a warm glow when a Trump supporter speculates on Democrat candidates?

    It just couldn't be a third-rate partisan hit job could it? Nah. Just mere coincidence.
    Nah. Just a poll. Some of us like to watch the horses run.

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    Re: Is Biden Running Out of Gas?

    Quote Originally Posted by pilot16 View Post
    Something we also dont know yet is who the Justice Democrats and AOC will endorse. It might not be a big deal at all or it could be. I guess it depends on how the media reports it. Our friends son is in college and they are waiting to see who AOC endorses. They all just signed up to be "Justice Democrats" at the college. They have hit the campuses hard. Justice Democrats attacked Hillary hard in 2016.
    **** the JDs. They're an outright liability that needs to go back to Russia.

    Not one Justice Democrat flipped a House or Senate seat in 2018.

    Not one Our Revolution candidate flipped a House or Senate seat in 2018.

    Center-left women flipped the majority of House and Senate seats in 2018.

    It's time for those JD bigots to man up and figure out who's been doing the dirty work to save our democracy and to follow their lead for a change.
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    Re: Is Biden Running Out of Gas?

    Quote Originally Posted by pilot16 View Post
    Yea I almost feel sorry for him at this point. He looks like he was told to run because he was the one to beat Trump. He seems subdued and overwhelmed at times. One of our friends went to hear him when he came to NH for a speech at a local apple orchard and he asked for a chair to sit down and looked very tired. A lot of the supporters noted that afterwards. Many felt he appeared much older than previous. Will be surprised if he is the nominee.
    I always liked Joe, first as a senator and then as VP. He's like the old fashioned Democrat that I was used to. But yes, I think he has shown his age and perhaps a touch of senility. He's old and tired. Time to retire. I have no use for these northeastern progressives, way too far left for me. I also liked Hickenlooper, but he has withdrew. We'll see what happens.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Is Biden Running Out of Gas?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    **** the JDs. They're an outright liability that needs to go back to Russia.

    Not one Justice Democrat flipped a House or Senate seat in 2018.

    Not one Our Revolution candidate flipped a House or Senate seat in 2018.

    Center-left women flipped the majority of House and Senate seats in 2018.

    It's time for those JD bigots to man up and figure out who's been doing the dirty work to save our democracy and to follow their lead for a change.
    AOC, Tlaib, Omar and Pressley are all JDs. They did flip a few seats (from establishment to JD). There are now 30 primarying Ds all over.

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    Re: Is Biden Running Out of Gas?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I always liked Joe, first as a senator and then as VP. He's like the old fashioned Democrat that I was used to. But yes, I think he has shown his age and perhaps a touch of senility. He's old and tired. Time to retire. I have no use for these northeastern progressives, way too far left for me. I also liked Hickenlooper, but he has withdrew. We'll see what happens.
    Grew up in a blue collar solid democrat working class town and they NEVER ever would vote for a "coastal democratic elitist" as they call them. They still are that way today. They adore Biden.

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    Re: Is Biden Running Out of Gas?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    No matter who the Democratic base chooses to nominate, there will be naysayers who will claim that we should have picked somebody else.
    There will always be naysayers. As the election, both primary and general we'll have a better grasp. What I took note of back in February 2016 as a poll showing 56% of all Americans wanted the Democrats to nominate someone other than Hillary Clinton. Of course all Americans don't choose either party's nominee, the parties do that. Perhaps the Democrats should have listed to America as a whole?

    You also had 56% of all Americans viewing Hillary unfavorably on election day. Of course 60% viewed Trump unfavorably. That's why 6% of all Americans voted third party against both candidates, that included 12% of all independents. Questions 10 and 11.

    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.ne...bReport_lv.pdf

    https://www.cnn.com/election/2016/results/exit-polls

    I firmly believe any other Democrat would have won in 2016 other than Hillary. She did win the popular vote through. He problem was he try for the presidency was half hearted to put it mildly. A ho hum campaign and a lazy one at that.

    I keep watching independents. History has shown that on average 90% of those who identify with the two major parties vote for their candidate regardless of whom that candidate is. Nominate the right candidate, one attractive to independents, the Democrats win in a landslide. Nominate another candidate independents don't like, another 2016 is a very real possibility.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Is Biden Running Out of Gas?

    Quote Originally Posted by Raez View Post
    . . . Biden has always been a serious flipper and gaffer. All we need is someone like him who is a puppet in the making. Biden is no leader and never was one. He was also a major player in what I am sure will go down as the most corrupted political administration in history. HRC was a horrible . . ..
    I don't disagree with anything you said - my point is that Sleepy Joe is more "electable" because Independents are NOT afraid of him or his moderate stance on most issues.

    Comrade Bernie, OTOH, scares the hell out of the indies I have spoken to. They would vote for Trump over Bernie out of fear. They know that someone will have to shoulder massive tax hikes to pay for all the "free sh!t" that he promises. . . . And that is always the working-class taxpayers.

    Bernie would be easy to beat in a general election, and Trump would mop the floor with him.

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    Re: Is Biden Running Out of Gas?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    There will always be naysayers. As the election, both primary and general we'll have a better grasp. What I took note of back in February 2016 as a poll showing 56% of all Americans wanted the Democrats to nominate someone other than Hillary Clinton. Of course all Americans don't choose either party's nominee, the parties do that. Perhaps the Democrats should have listed to America as a whole?

    You also had 56% of all Americans viewing Hillary unfavorably on election day. Of course 60% viewed Trump unfavorably. That's why 6% of all Americans voted third party against both candidates, that included 12% of all independents. Questions 10 and 11.

    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.ne...bReport_lv.pdf

    https://www.cnn.com/election/2016/results/exit-polls

    I firmly believe any other Democrat would have won in 2016 other than Hillary. She did win the popular vote through. He problem was he try for the presidency was half hearted to put it mildly. A ho hum campaign and a lazy one at that.

    I keep watching independents. History has shown that on average 90% of those who identify with the two major parties vote for their candidate regardless of whom that candidate is. Nominate the right candidate, one attractive to independents, the Democrats win in a landslide. Nominate another candidate independents don't like, another 2016 is a very real possibility.
    Voters seemed more party loyal in times past, now it seems more indies are popping up. They dont feel comfortable with either side or have dueling views on certain issues. I think thats driving it. So the parties arent prepared for it.

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    Re: Is Biden Running Out of Gas?

    Quote Originally Posted by pilot16 View Post
    Grew up in a blue collar solid democrat working class town and they NEVER ever would vote for a "coastal democratic elitist" as they call them. They still are that way today. They adore Biden.
    I'd vote for Joe even if he has a touch of senility. But not for a northeastern elitists. I'm not all that ideological or partisan. The old big tent Democratic Party, pre-Reagan usually had my support. Then for a time it was Reagan Republican until Perot came along. Now I tend to despise both major parties. Seems to me that both are working for the good of the party and not the country. Cliche I know. But that has been my feeling for the last 20 years or so.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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