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We will pay less taxes under a Bernie government. Do you believe this?

We will pay less taxes under a Bernie government. Do you believe this?

  • Need more info

    Votes: 10 17.9%

  • No, it will cost more in taxes and fees

    Votes: 43 76.8%

  • Yes, it will cost less in taxes and fees

    Votes: 3 5.4%
  • Total voters
    56
  • Poll closed .
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The media: Bernie will raise taxes on everyone to pay for medicare for all. LOUD & CLEAR: The amount you will pay in taxes is LESS than what you already pay in monthly premiums, copays, etc. The majority of people will save money under Medicare for All. #TellTheDamnTruth #Bernie2020 #MedicareForAll

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Free health care, free college, higher minimum wage

And all for less money than we're paying now?
 
My vote: 'need more info'

However, we will definitely save tons of money by going with a public option medicare program.
 
In the long run, probably. But no one ever thinks about the long-term in politics.
 
I'd rather pay the taxes I pay now and pay the health care costs I pay now than pay increased taxes to cover the cost of other people's health care.

Make no mistake...under Bernie's plan everyone WILL pay more in taxes than they do now.
 
Chomsky said:
My vote: 'need more info'

However, we will definitely save tons of money by going with a public option medicare program.
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No we won’t, what are you talking about? You have no evidence for this and no reason to trust whoever claims that. There is no government entitlement program that ever goes down in cost
 
swing_voter said:
Free health care, free college, higher minimum wage

And all for less money than we're paying now?
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Hope you like 35 dollar diner meals and 15 dollar draft beers and 50% income taxes and $7 gas like they pay in Norway
 
Mycroft said:
I'd rather pay the taxes I pay now and pay the health care costs I pay now than pay increased taxes to cover the cost of other people's health care.

Make no mistake...under Bernie's plan everyone WILL pay more in taxes than they do now.
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And far less in healthcare costs.

Add the ability to buy "upgrades" and everybody can get what they want.

(Well, not everybody. Private insurerers and pharmaceutical companies will have competition so their profits will go down. Such is life.)
 
swing_voter said:
Free health care, free college, higher minimum wage

And all for less money than we're paying now?
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Yep, just like it is in Vermont - loads of free stuff and lower taxes too. Oh wait... Vermont has the 4th highest state taxation and somehow lacks that free stuff for all.

2019’s Tax Burden by State
 
Chomsky said:
My vote: 'need more info'

However, we will definitely save tons of money by going with a public option medicare program.
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The Koch brothers agree with you.
 
Carjosse said:
In the long run, probably. But no one ever thinks about the long-term in politics.
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Yep, the US has such low DoD costs because it is under a single-payer system which has been in place for a very long time - look it up.
 
Chomsky said:
My vote: 'need more info'

However, we will definitely save tons of money by going with a public option medicare program.
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Hmm... I need more info on that (bolded above) assertion.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Yep, the US has such low DoD costs because it is under a single-payer system which has been in place for a very long time - look it up.
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It works great for the rest of the Western world, in order for it to work you need economies of scale, something which the US seems to refuse to allow even for things like Medicare. The US also refuses to actually take costs seriously.

Take drug prices for example, instead of buying drugs from other countries that regulate their prices, maybe just regulate prices in the US and allow price negotiation.
 
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Chomsky said:
My vote: 'need more info'

However, we will definitely save tons of money by going with a public option medicare program.
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From the govt that has ****ed over vets and 9/11 responders and we still think it’s a good idea to let them provide healthcare for everyone. You’re right about one thing it will be cheap...
 
EMNofSeattle said:
No we won’t, what are you talking about? You have no evidence for this and no reason to trust whoever claims that. There is no government entitlement program that ever goes down in cost
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IF we do pay less for medicare for all, we will sacrifice the quality of healthcare.
That's something leftists won't ever come around to admitting.
 
Carjosse said:
It works great for the rest of the Western world, in order for it to work you need economies of scale, something which the US seems to refuse to allow even for things like Medicare. The US also refuses to actually take costs seriously.
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Are you kidding me? Some of our brightest POTUS candidates are now promising free medical care for illegal immigrants - that is about as serious as it gets.
 
Bernie's socialist agenda will cost American Taxpayers an estimated $3.1 TRILLION per year for all the "free" stuff.

It would crush us.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
No we won’t, what are you talking about? You have no evidence for this and no reason to trust whoever claims that. There is no government entitlement program that ever goes down in cost
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Private insurance overhead & profit is far higher than government administration of our healthcare programs. You are wrong.
 
Carjosse said:
In the long run, probably. But no one ever thinks about the long-term in politics.
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A government program that saved money? There's no such thing.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Are you kidding me? Some of our brightest POTUS candidates are now promising free medical care for illegal immigrants - that is about as serious as it gets.
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Wether you like it or not they cost the US healthcare system and taxpayers money regardless, integrating them officially in the system would probably lower costs. Not to mention the risk to public health if illegals avoid medical care and treatment. It is soemthing that has to be analyzed.
 
apdst said:
A government program that saved money? There's no such thing.
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Because you have to measure them in other ways you can't just do a pure profit analysis on government finances to measure it. Take subsidized day-care in Quebec, sure it is expensive on paper and makes some money back through increased payroll taxes but the benefit to the economy by saving families money outweighs its cost.
 
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Carjosse said:
Because you have to measure them in other ways you can't just do a pure profit analysis on government finances to measure it. Take subsidized day-care in Quebec, sure it is expensive on paper but the benefit to the economy it provides outweighs its cost.
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We're talking about government spending vs. tax revenue and whether, or not we'll have to pay more taxes. In this discussion, there's no other way to look at it.
 
What if...? said:
And far less in healthcare costs.

Add the ability to buy "upgrades" and everybody can get what they want.

(Well, not everybody. Private insurerers and pharmaceutical companies will have competition so their profits will go down. Such is life.)
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Private business shouldn't have to compete with the federal government.
 
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