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Will vote for Trump in 2020, but didn't in 2016 ?

To or from Trump?

  • I didn't vote Trump in 2016, but will in 2020

    Votes: 3 3.9%

  • I did vote for Trump in 2016, but not 2020

    Votes: 3 3.9%

  • I voted Democrat in 2016 and will again in 2020

    Votes: 36 46.8%

  • I voted for Trump in 2016 and will again in 2020

    Votes: 19 24.7%

  • Other

    Votes: 16 20.8%
  • Total voters
    77
Moderate Right said:
It's one thing to criticize. It's quite another to call him cheetoh. All you are doing is showing that you are no better than Trump.
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Yeah, right? Because Kreton is the most powerful man in the world, and has his fingers on the nuclear codes, and controls the world economy with his words, and has the capacity to antagonize all of our European allies, and who controls who sits on the Supreme Court.

Yeah, Kreton's words are so much more important than Trump's words! He has to be better than the President of the United States. This is an anonymous message board and we posters have to show we're better than the President of the United States!

You were more honest and cerebral when you told us all how you'd rather vote for a pedophile than a Democrat.
 
SDET said:
I plan to vote for Trump in 2020, but didn't vote for him in 2016. Are there others on this board that fit that description?
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Depends on who the democrats run. If the run a socialist, I'll vote for Trump. If they run someone like Biden, I'll vote for him.
 
While Trump isn't very likable, leave it to the Democrats to nominate someone even worse.

uptower said:
Even Twump's beloved Faux News polls him behind the top 3-4 Dems. All of them.

Hey he could still win thru the EC like last time, but let's dispense with the myth he has broad appeal. He's got his base and nobody else.
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Whoops, another poll that our president isn't winning.
 
MrWonka said:
Well if you're making these types of choices what exactly do you expect? I mean how exactly do you expect anyone to have respect for you when you say you like Bernie, but then voted for Trump? When you say you like Yang and Gabbard(even though Bernie is still in it), but when they lose you'll vote Trump.

You have sided with the slave owners because the other slaves said something mean about you one time. That's exactly what you're doing so what exactly do you expect to be called?
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No, if I was siding with the slave owners. I'd be siding with the democrats, that's just historically accurate.

I've also only received racist attacks, and threats from only one source on the right that I can remember, and a massive disproportionately outpouring of it from the left. All because I chose to vote against a woman who called my people just as worse in the past.

Trumps actually don't nothing that I can say that dissuades my choice in voting for him. I also chose to vote and support Bernie for much of the same reason that I voted for Trump, hoping that Bernie would get correct guidance during his presidency, should he win.

Though it is good to see that you're supporting such racism. Not like I expected any different to come from the left after all this time anyway.
 
Tangmo said:
Bernie knows socialism is government ownership of the means of communication, transportation, production. And Bernie knows he's not a socialist. Neither are you. Neither are 98% of the posters who ID themselves as socialists. People in the American system of politics and government who say they're socialists are bomb throwers. Nothing but. When you inquire what they mean by socialist they invariably come up with eccentric and egocentric definitions they themselves devised by their own machinations.

You say Roy Moore has some interesting ideas and I say Roy Moore couldn't run a dog pound.

I made clear in my post you quoted what a return to happy dayze in Alabama would be for you. IMHO anyway. Bama is a Red Square State in the USA so you're half way there already living in Bama and calling the state home. Roy Moore being elected to the Senate as Sen. Doug Jones falls by the wayside in public approval would make both yours and his happy house and home complete. That's what I said. You and Moore being Conservatives and all of that. Preservers of the heritage. I recall one of my favorite avatars at DP had you in your uniform besides. In Red Square.
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Seeing as you can do nothing, but make off base assumptions about me. I can already tell that you're not even attempting intellectual honesty here in the least.

I've never stated what I believe, or know socialism to be.

Nor am I conservative, as my views are actually more liberal than most others on this site alone.

Nor do I really care for Moore, if he gets elected then so be it. I don't see much changing here in response, aside from some suggested anti-crime & drug policies, and even that might not be on his ticket anymore.

So it seems like all you're trying to do is make some form of mention as to what this "good days" might entail, without actually knowing anything about the state that you're actively talking about.

While also still finding time to cry about my old avatar, simply because it irked you on some imaginary level.

Now, do you have anything else to add before you're dismissed like almost every time before?
 
Oborosen said:
And I can just as easily claim some adverse things about you as well. But that doesn't make me correct in saying as such.

I'm not for everything Trump has done. He could've done better on foreign policy, and he could just shut the **** up from time to time. Gods know just how much of the world will collapse when he stops tweeting for one damn day.

But he hasn't been that bad of a president, and I haven't experienced byers remorse like I did after voting Obama in on his first term. I don't care for the side of the isle, I care for the policies, and what that person might bring.

Like I said Yang hand promise. I like Gabbard more, and should they fall from the race then I'll go back to supporting Trumps re-election. Because honestly non of the other democrats on the ticket even mesh well with what I want, except maybe one other. But she's spent the last 3 years pissing her chances away.
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I was once a Leftist. Leaving was a process that took years, but after departing I’ve never entertained going back because their ideas fail everywhere they are tried. This is not the party of JFK... and the road back to sanity seems light years away.

Those welded to the ideology have a difficult time believing someone could leave the plantation.
 
zimmer said:
I was once a Leftist. Leaving was a process that took years, but after departing I’ve never entertained going back because their ideas fail everywhere they are tried. This is not the party of JFK... and the road back to sanity seems light years away.

Those welded to the ideology have a difficult time believing someone could leave the plantation.
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Yeah, leave the plantation.

I received a massive box in the mail after I left the democratic party here in Alabama, after having only transferred over from Georgia about four years prior.

I'd already gotten death threats, and threats against my immediate family. So when a rather large, and suspicious package shows up on my doorstep, and I not getting a chance to see that my niece was opening it. Pretty much shot up some big red flags.

Thankfully it wasn't a bomb, or some powder like that. But it did have some extremely crude messages in it, telling me to do like my owners told me, and get my ass back in the fields.

Joining those jackasses in the Alabama democrats is probably going to be one of the only choices that I'll regret for the remainder of my life.
 
Oborosen said:
Yeah, leave the plantation.

I received a massive box in the mail after I left the democratic party here in Alabama, after having only transferred over from Georgia about four years prior.

I'd already gotten death threats, and threats against my immediate family. So when a rather large, and suspicious package shows up on my doorstep, and I not getting a chance to see that my niece was opening it. Pretty much shot up some big red flags.

Thankfully it wasn't a bomb, or some powder like that. But it did have some extremely crude messages in it, telling me to do like my owners told me, and get my ass back in the fields.

Joining those jackasses in the Alabama democrats is probably going to be one of the only choices that I'll regret for the remainder of my life.
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:lamo
 
Kreton said:
So you have no examples of me complaining about Trump making fun of a person? Exactly. You are just blatantly lying now about my being a hypocrite in this example.

Some of Trumps targets of his jokes I find in poor taste but I am not offended by humor - even poor humor. Mocking someone for disabilities, race, or sex (really anything they can't control) or because they served our country is outside my humor and I find it disrespectful but not offensive. It just furthers my point of him being a moron.
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Yeah... going to need proof of that, if that is a claim that you're making.
 
Kreton said:
In your mind no one is better than Trump. If I proved to you I was better than Trump you'd have to start worshipping me instead of him and I don't want that. Not to mention considering your obsession with his moronic and hateful acts that are destroying our country I am not interested in doing the things you think make him so amazing. Therefore by all means, please do keep thinking I am worse than Trump.
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....and he ends on a tirade that proves he really is just as bad as Trump, or possibly even worse given the circumstances.
 
tres borrachos said:
Yeah, right? Because Kreton is the most powerful man in the world, and has his fingers on the nuclear codes, and controls the world economy with his words, and has the capacity to antagonize all of our European allies, and who controls who sits on the Supreme Court.

Yeah, Kreton's words are so much more important than Trump's words! He has to be better than the President of the United States. This is an anonymous message board and we posters have to show we're better than the President of the United States!

You were more honest and cerebral when you told us all how you'd rather vote for a pedophile than a Democrat.
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See, at least you're admitting that you're completely fine with hate, bigotry, and even racism.

So long as you deem the person it flows from as, not worth the attention, or some other hypocritical nonsense like that...

I kind of got tired trying to figure out the made up rules, that the lot of you operate by.
 
Oborosen said:
Seeing as you can do nothing, but make off base assumptions about me. I can already tell that you're not even attempting intellectual honesty here in the least.

I've never stated what I believe, or know socialism to be.

Nor am I conservative, as my views are actually more liberal than most others on this site alone.

Nor do I really care for Moore, if he gets elected then so be it. I don't see much changing here in response, aside from some suggested anti-crime & drug policies, and even that might not be on his ticket anymore.

So it seems like all you're trying to do is make some form of mention as to what this "good days" might entail, without actually knowing anything about the state that you're actively talking about.

While also still finding time to cry about my old avatar, simply because it irked you on some imaginary level.

Now, do you have anything else to add before you're dismissed like almost every time before?
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You're not coming across as you perceive yourself to be coming across.

Few if any committees of liberal progressives or progressive liberals would accept your services as you present them. The reason is that you're serving up the same tired old stuff. Times have changed instead. That is, hardly any centrist or anyone center-left cottons to your servings. You're properly with a different crowd instead.

Either way however you walk away with a new limp to your gait each time you wander out. And always soon after the prior limp had gone away. So who you are and who you believe you're presenting as you are not the same.
 
zimmer said:
I was once a Leftist. Leaving was a process that took years, but after departing I’ve never entertained going back because their ideas fail everywhere they are tried. This is not the party of JFK... and the road back to sanity seems light years away.

Those welded to the ideology have a difficult time believing someone could leave the plantation.
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I haven't read anyone accusing you of being fast.

It's also fair to say leftists finally got their long delayed separation celebration if only after having their eternal wait for you to depart.

JFK did not open our elections and processes to the Russians. Nor did JFK say he believed the Russian leader rather than USA intelligence agencies. In the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962 JFK was ready to nuke the Russians, not kiss their arse.

So yeah, the Right's road back to sanity is indeed light years away. The Putin-Trump Rowers that they are.
 
Fledermaus said:
“In Vermont, everybody knows that I am a socialist and that many people in our movement, not all, are socialists. And as often as not — and this is an interesting point that is the honest-to-God truth — what people will say is, ‘I don’t really know what socialism is, but if you’re not a Democrat or a Republican, you’re OK with me.’ That’s true. And I think there has been too much of a reluctance on the part of progressives and radicals to use the word ‘socialism.’”

Bernie Sanders, 1989
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I presented the standard and long time definition of socialism.

Obviously I'll need to present it again, given it was ignored or missed intellectually:

Socialism is government ownership of the means of communication, transportation, production. It often involves government operation of same.


So you'd need to connect Sen. Sanders to each of these elements while acknowledging the second aspect, ie, the strong lean of government to also operate 'em.

It could be similar to someone saying he is Libertarian Right. He'd need to spell that out in specific detail too lest someone say he uses the term loosely if not in an intellectual vacuum entirely.

Kindly be specific and exact about how Sen. Sanders conforms to the definition of socialist thx. That is, in his own words.

You might well need a protective body covering btw given Bernie Sanders is a bomb thrower from way back. I noted the date of your quote for instance although Bernie's bomb throwing goes back much deeper in time. All the same I don't recall Bernie ever trying to be a sniper however because he seemed to always know better than to trust one eye only. For some it's like using only one half of the brain.
 
In 2016 I voted for Sanders in the primary and Clinton in the general election. Now I support Joe Biden, but I will vote for Sanders in the general election, and probably Elizabeth Warren.

During the 2016 primary I wanted Trump to win the Republican nomination. He seemed like a new kind of Republican, one with genuine concern for the victims of globalism. He even said at one point that he would raise taxes on the rich. Once commentator described Trump as "a third party candidate running as a Republican."

As president Trump is ruling as a typical Republican, cutting taxes for the rich and raising military spending. In addition, he is dangerously ignorant and impulsive. He has had good luck on the economy. He will not be able to handle a crises. He is inarticulate, vulgar and unpresidential. Although he inherited wealth, he is a low class bounder.

For four decades those in the religious right have been telling the rest of us how unusually moral they are. By supporting a womanizing pagan they are losing any credibility they may have had.

The religious right has never been a good judge of character. In 1980 Evangelicals abandoned one of the most sincerely Christian presidents we have ever had for a product of Hollywood who rarely attended church. By supporting Trump they are making themselves ludicrous.
 
Tangmo said:
I presented the standard and long time definition of socialism.

Obviously I'll need to present it again, given it was ignored or missed intellectually:

Socialism is government ownership of the means of communication, transportation, production. It often involves government operation of same.

So you'd need to connect Sen. Sanders to each of these elements while acknowledging the second aspect, ie, the strong lean of government to also operate 'em.

It could be similar to someone saying he is Libertarian Right. He'd need to spell that out in specific detail too lest someone say he uses the term loosely if not in an intellectual vacuum entirely.

Kindly be specific and exact about how Sen. Sanders conforms to the definition of socialist thx. That is, in his own words.

You might well need a protective body covering btw given Bernie Sanders is a bomb thrower from way back. I noted the date of your quote for instance although Bernie's bomb throwing goes back much deeper in time. All the same I don't recall Bernie ever trying to be a sniper however because he seemed to always know better than to trust one eye only. For some it's like using only one half of the brain.
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You need not present anything again.

By his own admission he is a Socialist.

He believes the word has been vilified. He believes others of a like mind be not afraid of the title.

I don't need to do anything.

His words trump your interpretation.

“I wouldn’t deny it. Not for one second. I’m a democratic socialist. … In Norway, parents get a paid year to care for infants. Finland and Sweden have national health care, free college, affordable housing and a higher standard of living. … . Why shouldn’t that appeal to our disappearing middle class?”
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Carry on.
 
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Socialism is government ownership of the means of communication, transportation, production. It routinely involves government operating each of 'em.

We need to see that Bernie in his own words comports to the standard and long recognized definition of socialism. To include each element of it.

Pronouncements and declarations fail the thesis standard, requirements, demands. Rather, one must connect Bernie to each element, in his own words. Prove each element applies to Bernie Sanders. Prove the assertion. Failure to prove the assertion would mean it is a statement that is arbitrary and summarily issued. That is, without foundation or a basis, much less an argument.
 
Oborosen said:
See, at least you're admitting that you're completely fine with hate, bigotry, and even racism.

So long as you deem the person it flows from as, not worth the attention, or some other hypocritical nonsense like that...

I kind of got tired trying to figure out the made up rules, that the lot of you operate by.
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Why do you constantly pollute decent threads with idiotic posts, like this one?
 
Oborosen said:
No, if I was siding with the slave owners. I'd be siding with the democrats, that's just historically accurate.
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And we're done. Anyone who would make such an asinine statement clearly has no frame of reference or understanding of history so I don't really feel bad for you.
 
Tangmo said:
I haven't read anyone accusing you of being fast.

It's also fair to say leftists finally got their long delayed separation celebration if only after having their eternal wait for you to depart.

JFK did not open our elections and processes to the Russians. Nor did JFK say he believed the Russian leader rather than USA intelligence agencies. In the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962 JFK was ready to nuke the Russians, not kiss their arse.

So yeah, the Right's road back to sanity is indeed light years away. The Putin-Trump Rowers that they are.
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My... you really are not one to embrace critical thought, nor are you one who seems to be well informed.

Let me assist you.

1. Mueller/Weissmann found no collusion. Barr and Rosenstein who looked at the info submitted by the mentally challenged Mueller found no obstruction.

2. Obama was president during the last election and claimed it was (paraphrasing)... idiotic to think the Russians could disrupt the election.

3. It is now known the Russians assisted Hillary via the Steele/Simpson dossier. Not surprising when you look at the Commi loving history of the Democrat Partei.

Back to the drawing board for you.

You can thank me later for educating you.

PS. JFK was banging mafia babes and Commi sluts.
Kennedy and Ford both had affairs with the same East German 'spy who loved oral sex' | Daily Mail Online
 
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