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Will vote for Trump in 2020, but didn't in 2016 ?

To or from Trump?

  • I didn't vote Trump in 2016, but will in 2020

    Votes: 3 3.9%

  • I did vote for Trump in 2016, but not 2020

    Votes: 3 3.9%

  • I voted Democrat in 2016 and will again in 2020

    Votes: 36 46.8%

  • I voted for Trump in 2016 and will again in 2020

    Votes: 19 24.7%

  • Other

    Votes: 16 20.8%
  • Total voters
    77
Phys251 said:
I hope so. But I'm worried that we're either going to nominate someone who is economically too far to the left for the never-Trump independents to support, or someone who is too close to the economic center for progressives to rally behind. The party has put into place a lot of changes between the 2016 and 2020 elections, and it is the responsibility of the base to respond.
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Which one is more likely?

1 - Dems nominate a leftist and expect moderates to come out to support them because of their hate for Trump, or
2- Dems nominate someone more to the center and expect leftists to come over because of their hate for Trump or
3- the party no longer has much control of the nomination and they will get what they get and hope for the best
 
haymarket said:
Which one is more likely?

1 - Dems nominate a leftist and expect moderates to come out to support them because of their hate for Trump, or
2- Dems nominate someone more to the center and expect leftists to come over because of their hate for Trump or
3- the party no longer has much control of the nomination and they will get what they get and hope for the best
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Let's make sure that we are crystal clear that it is the primary voters, not the Democratic party, who will ultimately make the nomination. Only exception is if the leading candidate doesn't get enough delegates before the convention.
 
Phys251 said:
Let's make sure that we are crystal clear that it is the primary voters, not the Democratic party, who will ultimately make the nomination. Only exception is if the leading candidate doesn't get enough delegates before the convention.
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Absolutely. But we learned from out 2016 experience that the Party does not sit idly by and looks to protect its own interests.
 
haymarket said:
Absolutely. But we learned from out 2016 experience that the Party does not sit idly by and looks to protect its own interests.
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Guess what. They have the right to. :)
 
SDET said:
I plan to vote for Trump in 2020, but didn't vote for him in 2016. Are there others on this board that fit that description?
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Probably. I didn't vote for Trump in 2016 nor did I vote for Clinton. I voted against both by casting a ballot for a third party candidate. In 2020, I won't be voting Trump. But that doesn't mean I'll be voting democratic either. That depends on whom they nominate. My vote is entirely up to the Democrats. Nominate someone not way out there on the fringes, my vote is yours. Nominate a radical far leftist, it's third party once again.
 
Had the GOP protected its interests, another Republican would be in the White House today instead of Trump. Would you have preferred a focused, disciplined right winger over Donald Trump?

Phys251 said:
Guess what. They have the right to. :)
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SDET said:
Had the GOP protected its interests, another Republican would be in the White House today instead of Trump. Would you have preferred a focused, disciplined right winger over Donald Trump?
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Yes. Fun fact, the GOP tried to do just that, and Wikileaks knew about this, but they kept the matter to themselves, unlike what they did to the Democrats.
 
Oborosen said:
No, I'll support a liberal candidate. But this crap that you see coming from the left in such droves now, isn't liberalism.

That's why you have tons of moderate, and classic liberals who are just getting disillusioned with the democratic party.

I'll readily admit that when I voted for Trump in 2016, it was partially out of spite. Even though I was fine with some of the policies and the possibilities that were being expected. I had already volunteered for Bernie's campaign, and I knew full well of the things that were being said about Trump. That also means that I knew full well what was a lie, and what we were being told to say just to do him damage. Though you can see just how little effect us doing just that, had in the long run on Trumps campaign.

Several of the others went 3rd party. I think it was the anger over having everything that I'd help work for, not only be undone. But be undone by my own party's most crooked elements.

Then again, It might've been the young progressive's committee members calling me a house nigger to my face, that helped make that decision for me as well.

Hard to say at this point.
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It appears that guy was right about you. Calling yourself a Bernie supporter and voting for Trump was a dick thing to do. That alone makes you a born Trumpist.
 
Of course I'll vote for Trump in 2020 like I did in 2016. I bet on him as soon as he announced in 2015, he was an old friend of mine
although I haven't seen him since 1971 when I married. I've won almost 2000 betting on him since he announced for the office.


314586473-1 6/18/15 6:15pm $5.00 $300.00 $305.00 Win 11/8/16 6:00am Politics 5 Trump wins Election +6000 vs Field wins Presidential Election
314559281-1 6/18/15 2:11pm $25.00 $500.00 $525.00 Win 7/18/15 8:00am Politics 901 Trump is Republican Nominee +2000 vs Field wins Republican Nomination
 
slick said:
Of course I'll vote for Trump in 2020 like I did in 2016. I bet on him as soon as he announced in 2015, he was an old friend of mine
although I haven't seen him since 1971 when I married. I've won almost 2000 betting on him since he announced for the office.


314586473-1 6/18/15 6:15pm $5.00 $300.00 $305.00 Win 11/8/16 6:00am Politics 5 Trump wins Election +6000 vs Field wins Presidential Election
314559281-1 6/18/15 2:11pm $25.00 $500.00 $525.00 Win 7/18/15 8:00am Politics 901 Trump is Republican Nominee +2000 vs Field wins Republican Nomination
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When you choose your candidate because his victory the last time won you money on bets, instead of a patriotic concern for the country or policy, that says a lot about you.

Why I won't vote for him this time is the same reason I didn't vote for him the last time. Regardless of what he promises workers and the middle class, which the GOP always promises, he and they will govern by catering to the wealthy and corporations -- and that's exactly what he's done. He cut taxes on the rich and corporations; cut regulations that made the air and water much dirtier and he proposed cutting Social Security benefits by $25 billion in his budget.

My guess is that conservatives vote for Trump for one reason: anti-abortion. They are willing to overlook all the racism, lies, and backward economic policies because of this opposition to abortion.
 
SDET said:
Trump managed to do two things that I thought he was incapable of:
1) Not get an ego blow job from the Democrats and hand them some major victories.
2) Be driven from office to give the GOP a black eye like Nixon did.
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And both of these are, in terms of being president, pointless.
 
SDET said:
I plan to vote for Trump in 2020, but didn't vote for him in 2016. Are there others on this board that fit that description?
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Another Ionesco Rhinoceros.

How absurd.
 
Nothing wrong with these polls, exactly, but nothing predictive about them either. DP doesn't represent the demographic spread of American voters.
 
rocket88 said:
I voted Libertarian in 2016, and it looks like i will again.
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I voted libertarian out of college.

As I grew and learned I became much more liberal and realized that libertarian is the most destructive of all political philosophies.
 
Once again...the democrat party is up against a very beatable candidate in a presidential election.

However...once again...the democrat party will refuse to nominate a palatable candidate on their side. If they'd just learn from their mistakes and nominate a center-left candidate. One who hasn't adopted insane philosophies to rally around their far-left fringe. If they'd just learn that moderates see them as anti-Semitic, hateful people. If they'd just stop calling the other side "deplorable," but at the same time expect those people to vote for them.

They'll once again hang themselves with a noose made by their hands, and we'll have four more years of rabid, seething hatred. Gabbard and Yang would be their best bets, but those two aren't kook-leftist enough.
 
Velvet Elvis said:
Once again...the democrat party is up against a very beatable candidate in a presidential election.

However...once again...the democrat party will refuse to nominate a palatable candidate on their side. If they'd just learn from their mistakes and nominate a center-left candidate. One who hasn't adopted insane philosophies to rally around their far-left fringe. If they'd just learn that moderates see them as anti-Semitic, hateful people. If they'd just stop calling the other side "deplorable," but at the same time expect those people to vote for them.

They'll once again hang themselves with a noose made by their hands, and we'll have four more years of rabid, seething hatred. Gabbard and Yang would be their best bets, but those two aren't kook-leftist enough.
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I completely disagree. Compared to Trump, each and every one of them is a shining star that radiates intelligence and sensibilities. Even the very worst of them, Tulsi Gabbard looks like a friggen Einstein and Abe Lincoln combination compared to the dim witted, red faced, screeching baboon that's sullying up the office of the presidency. Even the worst of them would be the best choice.
 
In 2016 when it came down to Donald Trump or that lying, corrupt, incompetent horrible evil old woman. ........Donald Trump was the only choice. .

When it comes down to Donald Trump or one of the radical socialists running now...... .....Donald Trump is again the only sane choice. ...

Combined with the excellent job he's doing. .......he's got my vote!
 
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noonereal said:
I voted libertarian out of college.

As I grew and learned I became much more liberal and realized that libertarian is the most destructive of all political philosophies.
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Considering the choices of the two major parties, voting for Johnson was the only conscionable choice.

I was a stauch Democrat in college. Then i grew up.
 
SDET said:
I plan to vote for Trump in 2020, but didn't vote for him in 2016. Are there others on this board that fit that description?
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My opinion on Trump's suitability as president has only gotten worse since 2016, so for damn sure I'll be voting for the Democrat in 2020, and I hope it's either Sanders or Warren.
 
rocket88 said:
Considering the choices of the two major parties, voting for Johnson was the only conscionable choice.

I was a stauch Democrat in college. Then i grew up.
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You realize the central tenet of libertarianism is personal independence and that may be all well and good for healthy young males and for all those born without limitations but it is not a philosophy for the "greater good."

Most all animals do best by living in groups. Fish, birds and land animals. Humans are no different.

Modern Libertarianism wants to enjoy all teh safety and amenities of a modern society without the communal responsibilities.

It is an extremely selfish philosophy.

Also, it is ignorant to think you can enjoy the standard of living we have under a libertarian template. It's the same as these isolationists.

It is true, no man is an island. (no matter how emotionally rewarding thinking oneself independent is)

peace
 
noonereal said:
You realize the central tenet of libertarianism is personal independence and that may be all well and good for healthy young males and for all those born without limitations but it is not a philosophy for the "greater good."

Most all animals do best by living in groups. Fish, birds and land animals. Humans are no different.

Modern Libertarianism wants to enjoy all teh safety and amenities of a modern society without the communal responsibilities.

It is an extremely selfish philosophy.

Also, it is ignorant to think you can enjoy the standard of living we have under a libertarian template. It's the same as these isolationists.

It is true, no man is an island. (no matter how emotionally rewarding thinking oneself independent is)

peace
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"Modern libertarianism" is just GOP propaganda gussied up to seem cooler.

Yes, i believe that a person should be free to make their own decisions about their own life.
 
rocket88 said:
Yes, i believe that a person should be free to make their own decisions about their own life.
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We all believe this, WITHING THE CONTEXT of a happy and healthy society.

Libertarianisn negates a happy and healthy society.
 
SDET said:
I plan to vote for Trump in 2020, but didn't vote for him in 2016. Are there others on this board that fit that description?
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Hard to say who I will vote for before I know the choices. We can't be sure at this point that Trump will be the Republican candidate. Clearly no one knows who the Democratic candidate will be.
 
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