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Will vote for Trump in 2020, but didn't in 2016 ?

To or from Trump?

  • I didn't vote Trump in 2016, but will in 2020

    Votes: 3 3.9%

  • I did vote for Trump in 2016, but not 2020

    Votes: 3 3.9%

  • I voted Democrat in 2016 and will again in 2020

    Votes: 36 46.8%

  • I voted for Trump in 2016 and will again in 2020

    Votes: 19 24.7%

  • Other

    Votes: 16 20.8%
  • Total voters
    77
Oborosen said:
Not exactly 1:1 given the identity politics, and cronyism, not to mention folding for his party after they screwed him over.

He just isn't the same person I was going to vote for in 2016.
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You really weren't listening. The man went to prison for protesting during the civil rights era, and he endorsed Jesse Jackson in '88. He's fought for gay rights just as long. Surely you don't draw some arbitrary line where campaigning for minority rights magically turned into identity politics in 2017? Here's him explaining his opposition to DOMA in the 90's, back in 2015:

 
Jesse Booth said:
You really weren't listening. The man went to prison for protesting during the civil rights era, and he endorsed Jesse Jackson in '88. He's fought for gay rights just as long. Surely you don't draw some arbitrary line where campaigning for minority rights magically turned into identity politics in 2017? Here's him explaining his opposition to DOMA in the 90's, back in 2015:

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Yes, this is the Bernie that I started with.

Not the one that we have now.
 
Jesse Booth said:
Literally nothing has changed. If you're upset about Bernie calling Trump racist, he was doing that back in '15 too.
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I don't care that he called Trump racist, almost all the other candidates have done as such. With just as little to actually show for it.

I did like his more socialist positions, but they haven't aged well with him. Not to mention the fact that he just willingly crawled right back in bed with his old party, and is more than willing to take their money. Pretty much shows where his loyalties lay.

He's shown that he can't actually hold to some of his own more progressive stances, and this whole issue with him paying his own staffers, has just revealed a bit too much of the politician.
 
Oborosen said:
I don't care that he called Trump racist, almost all the other candidates have done as such. With just as little to actually show for it.

I did like his more socialist positions, but they haven't aged well with him. Not to mention the fact that he just willingly crawled right back in bed with his old party, and is more than willing to take their money. Pretty much shows where his loyalties lay.

He's shown that he can't actually hold to some of his own more progressive stances, and this whole issue with him paying his own staffers, has just revealed a bit too much of the politician.
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The staffer pay controversy was the result of leaked union negotiations out of context.

In a statement to CNN, Sanders campaign manager Faiz Shakir said that the campaign offered the field staff a boost in pay that would guarantee a $15 an hour salary commensurate with a 60-hour work week. That proposal, according to Shakir, was rejected by the membership.
"As strong supporters of organized labor, this formal process is the sole process for making changes to the collective bargaining agreement. It would be anti-union, and likely illegal, for the campaign to negotiate outside this process," Shakir said. "We look forward to continuing those discussions and obviously are disappointed that some individuals decided to damage the integrity of these efforts before they were concluded."
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As for the media slander of the Sanders campaign, he fought that tooth and nail in 2016, and he's still fighting it today. The man's just primarying with the Democrats because running 3rd party isn't viable, and he also doesn't have enough of an issue with Democratic policy to throw the election to the Republicans.
 
I did not vote for Trump or Hillary in 2016 and theres 99% chance I wont vote for Trump and 90% chance I wont vote for a democrat in 2020
 
Just to clarify my "other" vote: I voted for Johnson in 2016 since my views aligned best with him that cycle, but I'm voting Democrat this year as a protest vote against the Republican party. Will anything come of it? Probably not, but Georgia could be a swing state in 2020, given how close it was in '16 when it was Trump and Hillary. Either way, my opposition is going to be voiced.

In essence, Trump has pushed me even further from the Republican party than I was before.
 
Crovax said:
I did not vote for Trump or Hillary in 2016 and theres 99% chance I wont vote for Trump and 90% chance I wont vote for a democrat in 2020
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Bernie isn't actually registered as a member of the Democrat party, so if you were feeling a bit radical this cycle... You know... Maybe give literal, unadulterated socialism a try?

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Jesse Booth said:
The staffer pay controversy was the result of leaked union negotiations out of context.



As for the media slander of the Sanders campaign, he fought that tooth and nail in 2016, and he's still fighting it today. The man's just primarying with the Democrats because running 3rd party isn't viable, and he also doesn't have enough of an issue with Democratic policy to throw the election to the Republicans.
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Seeing as it's only out of context, when context matters. Something that I can say is rather comical, when compared to how many times people continually try to take one another out of context in the political ring.

Even though they verifiably screwed him over once already. He's just going to trust that they wont do as such?

I would've given him more respect had he run third party at this point.
 
Oborosen said:
Seeing as it's only out of context, when context matters. Something that I can say is rather comical, when compared to how many times people continually try to take one another out of context in the political ring.

Even though they verifiably screwed him over once already. He's just going to trust that they wont do as such?

I would've given him more respect had he run third party at this point.
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No, he isn't trusting them not to screw him over. He's already pointed out plenty of times that the Democratic party is as beholden to big business as the Republicans are. Why are you pushing a false narrative that Bernie is blindly trusting the liberals?
 
Jesse Booth said:
No, he isn't trusting them not to screw him over. He's already pointed out plenty of times that the Democratic party is as beholden to big business as the Republicans are. Why are you pushing a false narrative that Bernie is blindly trusting the liberals?
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Just him jumping back in bed with them, is only one of my issues with Bernie.
 
SDET said:
I plan to vote for Trump in 2020, but didn't vote for him in 2016. Are there others on this board that fit that description?
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Did not vote for any Presidential candidate in 2016 because none were fit for the job IMO. Not very enthusiastic on what I am seeing for choices in 2020. If this is the best America has to offer to lead our Nation were in deep poo.
 
SDET said:
I plan to vote for Trump in 2020, but didn't vote for him in 2016. Are there others on this board that fit that description?
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I reckon most people who are "I didn't vote for him in 2016 but will in 2020" either voted for him in 2016, or were too young in 2016, or were in hospital at the time.

Trump hasn't done anything, other than take credit for things he didn't do, that is worthy of being voted for.
 
Oborosen said:
Just him jumping back in bed with them, is only one of my issues with Bernie.
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As opposed to not running for office at all, or running third party & guaranteeing the right wing wins. Every one of your issues you've listed so far appears to be a fundamental misunderstanding about what's going on. You even excused your ignorance about the labor union issue by saying that people take their political opponents out of context all the time.
 
Obviously the Deplorables will vote Trump since he is one of them. With them as his loyal base, I cannot see him getting beyond 42%.
 
i did not vote for Chancellor Squirrelhead in 2016, and will vote against in 2020.
 
I voted for Cruz in the primary. Glad he lost in retrospect. I will vote for Trump in the next primary not that it will matter.

I won't vote for a Democrat until I am dead. Who knows how many Democrats I will vote for after I am gone.

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SDET said:
I plan to vote for Trump in 2020, but didn't vote for him in 2016. Are there others on this board that fit that description?
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I didn't vote for Trump in 2016 because I didn't want him to be president and because I didn't honestly think he had a snowball's chance in hell of winning. Didn't want Hillary to win either so I wrote in someone else. If I had actually thought that Trump had a chance of beating Hillary I would have voted for him and not wasted my vote. I'm not making that mistake in 2020. While I am technically undecided I haven't found a Democrat I would want to be president as they are all too far left for me. Will have to see what other options become available. So, it's highly likely I might hold my nose and vote for Trump in 2020, unless someone I actually do like looks like they could actually win. I'm not throwing my vote away in 2020, allowing someone I really don't want to be president to win.
 
You're just wrong. If want to call Gary Johnson voters "in a coma" so be it. Evan McMullin got over 700,000 votes in spite of limited ballot access. Do you think even 5 % of those voters will vote Democrat in 2020?

uptower said:
My guess is only young right wingers who came of voting age since Trump got elected will be able to "honestly" say they'll vote for him this time but didn't last time. Or old ones who were in a coma in Nov 2016.
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If I want to give unadulterated socialism a try, I will pay the four bucks to a gang member at the Tachira River when it's low and illegally enter Venezuela.

Jesse Booth said:
Bernie isn't actually registered as a member of the Democrat party, so if you were feeling a bit radical this cycle... You know... Maybe give literal, unadulterated socialism a try?

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Trump managed to do two things that I thought he was incapable of:
1) Not get an ego blow job from the Democrats and hand them some major victories.
2) Be driven from office to give the GOP a black eye like Nixon did.

Frigidweirdo said:
I reckon most people who are "I didn't vote for him in 2016 but will in 2020" either voted for him in 2016, or were too young in 2016, or were in hospital at the time.

Trump hasn't done anything, other than take credit for things he didn't do, that is worthy of being voted for.
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haymarket said:
Obviously the Deplorables will vote Trump since he is one of them. With them as his loyal base, I cannot see him getting beyond 42%.
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All depends on the Democratic base, which 2016 proved to be fickle. That and voter suppression.
 
Phys251 said:
All depends on the Democratic base, which 2016 proved to be fickle. That and voter suppression.
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Yes they certainly did. I think when people can afford to be picky and fickle - some will. The cutest girl in the senior class might only date guys who are the proverbial hunks and might even marry one and produce great looking kids. But after ten years of an abusive marriage where this great looking guy proves himself to be a creep and worse, she is ready for a nerdy looking guy, maybe a bit older, who will simply love her and take good care of her and treat her right. The days or epic orgasms to the moon may be gone but so are getting kicked around and abused.

In other words, people settle after learning a lesson the hard way. And so will Dems having learned their lesson the hard way with Trump. Expect record or near record turnout and expect the 2018 Blue Wave to rise again in 2020.
 
SDET said:
I plan to vote for Trump in 2020, but didn't vote for him in 2016. Are there others on this board that fit that description?
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I voted for Gary Johnson in 2016, but came to the realization that was a wasted vote.

Trump has done much better than I (and many others) had expected.

I'll vote for Trump in 2020.

And Ivanka in 2024.
 
haymarket said:
Yes they certainly did. I think when people can afford to be picky and fickle - some will. The cutest girl in the senior class might only date guys who are the proverbial hunks and might even marry one and produce great looking kids. But after ten years of an abusive marriage where this great looking guy proves himself to be a creep and worse, she is ready for a nerdy looking guy, maybe a bit older, who will simply love her and take good care of her and treat her right. The days or epic orgasms to the moon may be gone but so are getting kicked around and abused.

In other words, people settle after learning a lesson the hard way. And so will Dems having learned their lesson the hard way with Trump. Expect record or near record turnout and expect the 2018 Blue Wave to rise again in 2020.
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I hope so. But I'm worried that we're either going to nominate someone who is economically too far to the left for the never-Trump independents to support, or someone who is too close to the economic center for progressives to rally behind. The party has put into place a lot of changes between the 2016 and 2020 elections, and it is the responsibility of the base to respond.
 
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