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Is Voting Third Party Throwing Away Your Vote?

Is voting third party throwing away your vote?


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I always felt that either a republican or democrat was going to win in a Presidential election, so voting for a third party might be your personal preference but the third party candidate would likely never win the election. In my mind, voting for the lesser of the two evils if I didn't like either candidate would make more sense.

I think that except for making a statement, voting third party is almost like staying home and not voting at all, considering it won't really affect the Presidential win.

The poll question is simple...is voting third party throwing away your vote?
 
It's not wasting your vote. If a third party candidate gets 10% of the vote, the major parties will start to ask how they can get those voters. I wanted to vote for Evan McMullin in 2016, but had to settle for Gary Johnson. Trump is actually less bad than I expected for the GOP.

I always felt that either a republican or democrat was going to win in a Presidential election, so voting for a third party might be your personal preference but the third party candidate would likely never win the election. In my mind, voting for the lesser of the two evils if I didn't like either candidate would make more sense.

I think that except for making a statement, voting third party is almost like staying home and not voting at all, considering it won't really affect the Presidential win.

The poll question is simple...is voting third party throwing away your vote?
 
I wish I didn't have to say yes, but the only true answer is definitely yes. It's possible for a 3rd party to gain a House or Senate seat, but not the Presidency. The two major parties don't leave much room for anything to butt in - which is why 3rd parties tend to get like 5% of the vote, as opposed to the 40%+ that the two major parties receive.

Politicians are aware of this, as well - it's why Bernie is running for President as a Democrat.
 
It's not wasting your vote. If a third party candidate gets 10% of the vote, the major parties will start to ask how they can get those voters. I wanted to vote for Evan McMullin in 2016, but had to settle for Gary Johnson.

Thanks for your reply and explanation. So it didn't matter to you that your vote did not help either candidate actually win the 2016 election itself?
 
I always felt that either a republican or democrat was going to win in a Presidential election, so voting for a third party might be your personal preference but the third party candidate would likely never win the election. In my mind, voting for the lesser of the two evils if I didn't like either candidate would make more sense.

I think that except for making a statement, voting third party is almost like staying home and not voting at all, considering it won't really affect the Presidential win.

The poll question is simple...is voting third party throwing away your vote?

Yes, I absolutely believe it's throwing away your vote. It may make a person feel that they're exercising their right by a protest vote, but it's stupid, nobody cares who you voted for if it's a third party candidate. The only way it would be right to vote for a candidate other than a democrat or republican if there were five or even six different parties and candidates. The votes would be widespread in that case, more evenly distributed. The margins by which the winner would win would be narrower of course but it would be a good way to get a lot more candidates in front of the American people.
 
Depends, I think all third parties in the US seem to be putting the cart before the horse. They are going for the big one right away, the presidential election. They should really try to build a following in one geographic area then expand to state level, then Congress, and try to build momentum from there for the presidential, sure it will take along time maybe even several generations but I don't see any other way it could be done.

In the mean time it is just throwing it away unless that third party has an actual chance.
 
No, because neither was qualified for the office. Trump's on-the-job training has made him barely passable, but we can do a whole lot better.


Thanks for your reply and explanation. So it didn't matter to you that your vote did not help either candidate actually win the 2016 election itself?
 
Yes and no

If you are in a district/state in which the projected vote is going to be heavily towards one candidate then going third party if you do not like both majors is not a waste

If the vote is going to be close and there is one of the two majors you really do not want to win, then yes it is a waste, assuming the other candidate is not your favorite but acceptable it would be a waste
 
What if neither of the major party candidates are acceptable?

Yes and no

If you are in a district/state in which the projected vote is going to be heavily towards one candidate then going third party if you do not like both majors is not a waste

If the vote is going to be close and there is one of the two majors you really do not want to win, then yes it is a waste, assuming the other candidate is not your favorite but acceptable it would be a waste
 
I always felt that either a republican or democrat was going to win in a Presidential election, so voting for a third party might be your personal preference but the third party candidate would likely never win the election. In my mind, voting for the lesser of the two evils if I didn't like either candidate would make more sense.

I think that except for making a statement, voting third party is almost like staying home and not voting at all, considering it won't really affect the Presidential win.

The poll question is simple...is voting third party throwing away your vote?

The way i look at it is the question is "Which of these people would you like to see in office?" Not "Which of these two people might be slightly less worse thsn the other"
 
I always felt that either a republican or democrat was going to win in a Presidential election, so voting for a third party might be your personal preference but the third party candidate would likely never win the election. In my mind, voting for the lesser of the two evils if I didn't like either candidate would make more sense.

I think that except for making a statement, voting third party is almost like staying home and not voting at all, considering it won't really affect the Presidential win.

The poll question is simple...is voting third party throwing away your vote?

No, not when you determine that regardless of which major party candidate wins, once they left office this country would be in much worst shape than when either one first entered the office. It also gave me a way to officially register my disdain for both Trump and Clinton. It was my way to say or state, Candidates Matter!

What I found interesting is according to Gallup 25% of all Americans disliked and didn't want neither Trump nor Clinton to become their next president. Only 6% registered their feelings and wants on that subject. In the same poll Gallup showed that 54% of all independents disliked and didn't want either major party candidate to become president. But just 12% voted third party to show their displeasure.

One in Four Americans Dislike Both Presidential Candidates

Perhaps if more folks followed through with their wants, their desire to have better candidates presented by the two major parties, we wouldn't have been left with a Trump vs. Clinton election. For me, the bottom line is if you want both major parties to continue to nominate bum candidates, candidates disliked by a majority of Americans, continue to vote for the lesser of two evils or for the candidate you least want to lose. Not win, but least want to lose. Fact is 56% of all Americans disliked Clinton, 60% disliked Trump, question 10 and 11.

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/l37rosbwjp/econTabReport_lv.pdf

If you're satisfied with electing evil, even if that evil is the lesser of the two, continue to do so. I think if enough folks voted their convictions our two major parties would wise up and start giving us decent candidates. If they didn't, we would soon have a viable alternative, a viable third party to break up the monopoly of our two major parties have today. How refreshing that would be.
 
I always felt that either a republican or democrat was going to win in a Presidential election, so voting for a third party might be your personal preference but the third party candidate would likely never win the election. In my mind, voting for the lesser of the two evils if I didn't like either candidate would make more sense.

I think that except for making a statement, voting third party is almost like staying home and not voting at all, considering it won't really affect the Presidential win.

The poll question is simple...is voting third party throwing away your vote?

I voted "the lesser of two evils" for quite a while. It didn't work. People are still doing it and they berate me for not doing it too. But look what we've ended up with. The lesser of two evils is still evil. There comes a time when you vote for someone who you can live with or you don't vote at all. Politics is a long-term game.
 
Until a bird party actually becomes viable with there own fund raising arm ect a vote for a third party is a waste of their vote.

I would like to see the Bull MOose party make a comeback...
 
I always felt that either a republican or democrat was going to win in a Presidential election, so voting for a third party might be your personal preference but the third party candidate would likely never win the election. In my mind, voting for the lesser of the two evils if I didn't like either candidate would make more sense.

I think that except for making a statement, voting third party is almost like staying home and not voting at all, considering it won't really affect the Presidential win.

The poll question is simple...is voting third party throwing away your vote?

The only reason voting third party is throwing away your vote is because too many people think voting third party is throwing your vote away. I believe voting third party is the only thing that can save this country. The reality is voting republican or democrat is throwing away your vote because all the candidates are funded by the rich and powerful. they don't work for us. They work for the people that fund their campaign that gets them elected. Well it is not throwing away your vote if you are of the top 1 percent.
 
No. In a first-past-the-post/winner-take-all electoral system as we have, voting third-party is not technically throwing your vote away if the third party wins a plurality of the votes. It will mean that it becomes one of the two main parties, while the third that received the least votes now becomes the irrelevant third party.
 
The American winner take all approach means that only two parties are viable, except in times of great turmoil, which these are not. If you have to hold your nose, do it.
 
It's not wasting your vote. If a third party candidate gets 10% of the vote, the major parties will start to ask how they can get those voters. I wanted to vote for Evan McMullin in 2016, but had to settle for Gary Johnson. Trump is actually less bad than I expected for the GOP.

The way i look at it is the question is "Which of these people would you like to see in office?" Not "Which of these two people might be slightly less worse thsn the other"

No, not when you determine that regardless of which major party candidate wins, once they left office this country would be in much worst shape than when either one first entered the office.

...If you're satisfied with electing evil, even if that evil is the lesser of the two, continue to do so. I think if enough folks voted their convictions our two major parties would wise up and start giving us decent candidates. If they didn't, we would soon have a viable alternative, a viable third party to break up the monopoly of our two major parties have today. How refreshing that would be.

I voted "the lesser of two evils" for quite a while. It didn't work. People are still doing it and they berate me for not doing it too. But look what we've ended up with. The lesser of two evils is still evil. There comes a time when you vote for someone who you can live with or you don't vote at all. Politics is a long-term game.

The only reason voting third party is throwing away your vote is because too many people think voting third party is throwing your vote away. I believe voting third party is the only thing that can save this country. The reality is voting republican or democrat is throwing away your vote because all the candidates are funded by the rich and powerful. they don't work for us. They work for the people that fund their campaign that gets them elected. Well it is not throwing away your vote if you are of the top 1 percent.

No. In a first-past-the-post/winner-take-all electoral system as we have, voting third-party is not technically throwing your vote away if the third party wins a plurality of the votes. It will mean that it becomes one of the two main parties, while the third that received the least votes now becomes the irrelevant third party.

All of you are saying the same thing in different ways. Regardless of the rationales, IMHO it IS a waste of your vote in a Presidential election. Not even the explanation Lord Tammerlain mentioned in Post 8 is a valid excuse, because there is no real way (as was found in 2016) to be sure that polls were right.

No one is ever going to be absolutely everything you want in a leader. NO ONE. This is why after trying Dem., Rep., and finally Libertarian, I became an independent.

The best you can do is pick the candidate you think has more stated policies and goals that you agree with than not, and whose history shows this is more likely true than not at election time.

This is not the case for Congressional and State/Local elections because those candidates directly affect you and you can literally "reach out and touch them" when they have office hours in your locale. Your vote really counts at that level to them, as does your activism.

But the President isn't that approachable, not even during campaign stops; nor is he focused on purely local concerns. A Presidential candidate is trying to reach as many people as possible across all sorts of national needs and desires. Yet that candidate will have a history, and a platform some of which you can likely get behind.

So IMO it is really important to make a valid choice when voting for President, even if it means picking the lesser of two evils. Voting "your conscience" accomplishes nothing if it is directed at a 3rd Party candidate you know has no chance of winning.

The stakes are too high. By letting a candidate who might do more harm to your goals than not get elected, as opposed to voting for one who you might not completely agree with, but is more likely to do things you want, is just passing the buck.

Vote however you wish, but it is disingenuous to assert that you bear no responsibility if you find that what you consider the GREATER of two evils ends up getting elected.
 
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I always felt that either a republican or democrat was going to win in a Presidential election, so voting for a third party might be your personal preference but the third party candidate would likely never win the election. In my mind, voting for the lesser of the two evils if I didn't like either candidate would make more sense.

I think that except for making a statement, voting third party is almost like staying home and not voting at all, considering it won't really affect the Presidential win.

The poll question is simple...is voting third party throwing away your vote?

In the blue state of CA., voting third party is not a throw away vote.
I voted for Ron Paul in 2008 knowing the state was already Obama's.
I didn't like McCain or Obama so voting for Paul was a protest vote.
No regrets.
 
It will indeed be throwing away your vote in the 2020 election.

It's a cowardly move by those who want to say basically "no matter what happens, none of it is my fault".

I know; I "threw away" my vote in 2008 when I refused to choose between BushLite/Bubblebrain and Obama, whom I considered to be an empty suit with a charismatic smile. I had four blissful years of shrugging everything off as "not my fault" until 2012, when I realized that Obama, with all his faults and weaknesses, conducted himself in a presidential manner, raised America's status around the world, was a better choice than Mitt Romney and had earned my vote.

The 2020 election, however, is too important to "sit out".
 
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All of you are saying the same thing in different ways. Regardless of the rationales, IMHO it IS a waste of your vote in a Presidential election. Not even the explanation Lord Tammerlain mentioned in Post 8 is a valid excuse, because there is no real way (as was found in 2016) to be sure that polls were right.

No one is ever going to be absolutely everything you want in a leader. NO ONE. This is why after trying Dem., Rep., and finally Libertarian, I became an independent.

The best you can do is pick the candidate you think has more stated policies and goals that you agree with than not, and whose history shows this is more likely true than not at election time.

This is not the case for Congressional and State/Local elections because those candidates directly affect you and you can literally "reach out and touch them" when they have office hours in your locale. Your vote really counts at that level to them, as does your activism.

But the President isn't that approachable, not even during campaign stops; nor is he focused on purely local concerns. A Presidential candidate is trying to reach as many people as possible across all sorts of national needs and desires.

So IMO it is really important to make a valid choice when voting for President, even if it means picking the lesser of two evils. Voting "your conscience" accomplishes nothing if it is directed at a 3rd Party candidate you know has no chance of winning.

The stakes are too high. By letting a candidate who might do more harm to your goals than not get elected, as opposed to voting for one who you might not completely agree with, but is more likely to do things you want, is just passing the buck.

Vote however you wish, but it is disingenuous to assert that you bear no responsibility if you find that what you consider the GREATER of two evils ends up getting elected.

The way i see it, in a Presidential election the only votes that actually count are Electoral College votes. The votes from my state that actually counted were cast for Clinton, and my vote didn't make a damn bit of difference. Had i voted for "the lesser of 2 evils, she would have won by exactly 1 more vote.

She is crooked, but Trump is a child. I could not vote for either of them because i happen to like America and i have to live with myself.
 
The way i see it, in a Presidential election the only votes that actually count are Electoral College votes. The votes from my state that actually counted were cast for Clinton, and my vote didn't make a damn bit of difference. Had i voted for "the lesser of 2 evils, she would have won by exactly 1 more vote.

She is crooked, but Trump is a child. I could not vote for either of them because i happen to like America and i have to live with myself.

Well, I can respect your position, as not knowing what State you come from.

But I lived in a State where all the polls said she was going to win, but those Trump rallies I saw on YouTube led me to wonder if they were counting chickens. So I voted for Trump. Enough other's did and he got those electoral votes.

Still, if you live in one of those 80% Democratic States I guess one could argue that what is essentially a "no vote" would be reasonable.
 
Vote however you wish, but it is disingenuous to assert that you bear no responsibility if you find that what you consider the GREATER of two evils ends up getting elected.

When you don't vote for the lesser of 2 evils but for the candidate you believe is the best man for the job you have done your part. You are only responsible for doing your part. The people who vote for the lesser of 2 evils are responsible for the evil.
 
When you don't vote for the lesser of 2 evils but for the candidate you believe is the best man for the job you have done your part. You are only responsible for doing your part. The people who vote for the lesser of 2 evils are responsible for the evil.

I suppose that is one way to look at it. A way that completely ignores my point that NO ONE is going to be everything you want. So whomever you vote for you are likely to be voting for what YOU think is the "lesser of all evils."

I'm sure you'll couch it in more positive terms though. I know I do. ;)
 
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All of you are saying the same thing in different ways. Regardless of the rationales, IMHO it IS a waste of your vote in a Presidential election. Not even the explanation Lord Tammerlain mentioned in Post 8 is a valid excuse, because there is no real way (as was found in 2016) to be sure that polls were right.

No one is ever going to be absolutely everything you want in a leader. NO ONE. This is why after trying Dem., Rep., and finally Libertarian, I became an independent.

The best you can do is pick the candidate you think has more stated policies and goals that you agree with than not, and whose history shows this is more likely true than not at election time.

This is not the case for Congressional and State/Local elections because those candidates directly affect you and you can literally "reach out and touch them" when they have office hours in your locale. Your vote really counts at that level to them, as does your activism.

But the President isn't that approachable, not even during campaign stops; nor is he focused on purely local concerns. A Presidential candidate is trying to reach as many people as possible across all sorts of national needs and desires. Yet that candidate will have a history, and a platform some of which you can likely get behind.

So IMO it is really important to make a valid choice when voting for President, even if it means picking the lesser of two evils. Voting "your conscience" accomplishes nothing if it is directed at a 3rd Party candidate you know has no chance of winning.

The stakes are too high. By letting a candidate who might do more harm to your goals than not get elected, as opposed to voting for one who you might not completely agree with, but is more likely to do things you want, is just passing the buck.

Vote however you wish, but it is disingenuous to assert that you bear no responsibility if you find that what you consider the GREATER of two evils ends up getting elected.
Nonsense. We have the evil of Donald Trump precisely because people kept placing their trust in a lesser evil to save them. It clearly didn't work.

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Nonsense. We have the evil of Donald Trump precisely because people kept placing their trust in a lesser evil to save them. It clearly didn't work.

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Nonsense?

I don't think Trump is "evil." Not when I voted for him, and not to this day.

When I refer to "the lesser of two evils," I mean it in the common usage sense. As in, of the two candidates which do I agree with more than I do less?

I still prefer Trump, despite some things I dislike about his persona. So far he has been doing more that I like than dislike.

I will likely vote for him again, as it is UN-likely that the Democrats will put forward what I could consider a rational alternative.
 
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